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Game of Thrones 8x4 Reaction & Review (Patreon)

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Game of Thrones Reaction & Review S8 E4 | 'The Last of the Starks'

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FIRST TIME Watching Game of Thrones! | 8x4 Reaction and Review | 'The Last of the Starks'

Game of Thrones | Season 8 Episode 4 | Reaction & Review | "The Last of the Starks" You read it correctly... We have NEVER watched Game of Thrones before! We are House of The Dragon fans, FINALLY starting our GoT journey! We are super excited for you to join us as we delve into the infamous world of GoT for the very first time! It's definitely been a long time coming... Buckle up, because it's going to be a long 8 seasons! Be warned, Winter is definitely coming... Click the link below and join NOW for exclusive content on our Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/spartanandpudgey If you would like to support our channel, click on the JOIN button and receive some extra perks such as membership badges, exclusive custom emotes and priority reply to comments! Introduction: 0:00 - 15:41 Reaction: 15:42 - 45:51 Discussion/Review: 45:52 - 55:36 Like and SUBSCRIBE and click that bell to turn ON POST NOTIFICATIONS if you enjoyed the video and want to keep up to date with new posts! Connect with us on INSTAGRAM: https://www.instagram.com/spartanandpudgey/?hl=en OUR DISCORD: https://discord.com/invite/aPbnMXbYkM Connect with Spartan on TWITCH: https://www.twitch.tv/cpaspartan #houseofthedragon #gameofthrones #reaction

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Jonny Rey

How is it even possible that Euron ambushed Greyworm’s ships and Dany’s dragons when just a few scenes before everyone in the war room was made fully aware of Euron’s fleet? If you go back, they even have markers on the map to show his approximate location. Why didn’t Dany scout Dragonstone ahead of her ships from a safe height, knowing there were enemy naval forces on the same coastline and Dragonstone is a castle literally surrounded by water? Because, according to the show runners: “Dany just kind of forgot about the Iron Fleet and Euron’s forces, but they still haven’t forgotten about her” and that’s an actual quote. The writers tapped out you guys, it’s only going to make less sense from here.

Jonny Rey

Every Daenerys scene in this episode directly contradicts the character development they spent seven seasons building for her. I know all Targaryen’s have the potential to become paranoid and power hungry, but the development has not been there. For six seasons she was a savior, breaker of chains, mhysa… and in the seventh season she became the conqueror, but now they’re just turning her into a self-righteous brat.

Anonymous

a few notes....Cersei has never been able to murder tyrion, even after having multiple chances. Jon's best friend is Ghost and they made it seem like he couldnt be bothered with him. Missandei is such a minor character, especially in the books, and they made it seem like that was the main reason dany finally goes nuts. And finally, Bron tells jaime he couldnt handle him even on his best day lol.....on Jaimes best day he would have wiped the floor with bron.

Demo

You could tell in the recap Spartan started realizing how fast everything is happening now lol NGL this episode is really bad. Watching it after all these years is bringing it all up again. GRRM always knew the ending and let the show runners know that, but how we ultimately get there is on them.

Anonymous

40:18 I'd like a moment of silence for Jaime's 8 season long character arc please.

Anonymous
>>112570119

I like that Pudgey keeps trying to give them an out. "I can see that.."

Anonymous

you two could recognize Bron's uncharacteristic attitude and stuff but you can't recognize how Dany's plotline goes against her character ? Pudgey, you mislead me by putting Dany in your love list and supporting her for so long. Literally, that's the only reason I have been watching and now you can't even acknowledge the bad writing for her character and give her any respect? no no

Anonymous
>>112570365

Be a little less miserable. The show has been over for years.

Demo
>>112570119

I understand her pov I guess. I would have missed a lot on first watch. After talking it over with friends and really going deep week to week, you start to realize a lot.

Jesse
>>112566547

Euron's ambush is for me when the show officially jumped the shark, even though there are a lot of moments before then that were written half baked. One thing I cannot get over either is Cersei blowing up the Sept, killing thousands in Kings Landing and she is able to take the throne and there's little to no recourse for what she did beyond Olenna Tyrell joining up with Daenerys.

Sean Carroll
>>112571282

I think she’ll be frustrated more so in the next episode. This episode she isn’t as glaringly written bad as the next two episodes

SuddenImpulse
>>112571282

lol what on earth? Maybe you should just chill a bit and wait to see what she has to say about the last episodes. You might be surprised. That said, a native part of reactions is to hear their unique thoughts and opinions, which may not necessarily always align with your own. If you want to be in an echo chamber, you can do that for free instead of paying monthly.

Anonymous

imo, it makes sense why Dany would put her own desire to sit on the iron throne over the rightful heir and her Targaryen family precedent/history. She has believed herself to be the last Targaryen and the only other Targaryen she knew (Viserys) was evil. She had no power for most of her life because of Viserys and was forced to create an arguably inflated sense of self-importance in order to cope/gain confidence and eventually attain power (you notice this more on a rewatch of the series). It’s now beginning to feel like the iron throne could be taken away from her if people find out Jon is the rightful heir and, since taking the throne has become so inextricably linked to her own sense of purpose and self worth (and because she has lost Jorah and a dragon), she is beginning to unravel/become paranoid. Things are definitely rushed and there are a lot of flaws with the writing, but I personally think this makes sense from a character development/motivation pov.

iTake_Shots

I at first thought Bron was out of character but after many rewatches I don't think he is since he's always done anything for money/wealth for example when Tyrion asks him if he was told to kill a baby, would do it? And he replies saying he'd ask for how much. I think a lot of people hate Danys turning point because it's "not her" but she's a loose cannon right now, she's lost majority of her army in the long night battle, she's seeing how people flock more to John rather than her when they are "celebrating" the victory, she's just lost Jorah her friend, most loyal protector and the one person who ALWAYS gave her clarity when she thought about stepping out of line, and while still mourning him and still healing she loses ANOTHER Dragon AND her long time friend was just beheaded in front of her. I think she has more than enough reason to let loose. It's not sporadic and it doesn't come from a place of nothing, there's definitely reasoning behind her actions.

Gummybear
>>112566547

Exactly, we never get to see ANY fallout from her blowing up the sept which is ridiculous

Anonymous

Brons writing was wayyyy out of character for this episode. I hated it too.

Sean Carroll
>>112570365

nah next ep "I never really cared much for them... innocent or otherwise"

SomeoneElse

This episode is where the season really goes down hill. So much stupid bullshit and pretty much entirely skipping Jon revealing his name to Arya and Sansa. No reaction to see. Something that was built up for years. What a joke

Anonymous

Spartan - you can’t be serious that Danny is supposed to just give up her claim right then and there without fighting for it. I can’t imagine you as a man would do the same

Sean Carroll

Did Spartan just say brilliant writing... Jesus I might have a stroke

Stannis the Mannis
>>112585188

The point is that Jon being a true Targaryen presents a conflict for Dany’s story. She has always said that she was fighting for her families rightful place on the throne. Now that that time is approaching and she learns the truth about Jon, we see whether or not Dany’s motivations have been to take power for herself or put her family in its “rightful place” regardless of it diminishing Daenerys current standing.

Ammaar Ahmed
>>112571282

it's weird bcs technically you're always out here defending thr alternative opinion so who's contributing more to an echo chamber lol

Anonymous
>>112586555

This storyline would of been great if fleshed out over 20 episodes and not 6, shame man

Anonymous
>>112585188

If that’s the case then it should have been her brother. It’s clear she wanted the throne

Anonymous

Give it some time, while you are still watching the show you are overwhelmed by emotions and can't scrutinize the writing

neutchain

I despise this episode more than any other episodes in the show I think. Welcome to the part of the show where characters stop behaving like you would expect them based on their personality/arc. They start throwing out character arcs left and right that were developed for years. Jon is practicing his only line ( she's mah queen ), Dany forgot Euron existed but right before they teleported away from Winterfell you could see his fleet approximate position marked on the map. Cersei also practices her stand still and looking bored glare. Bron being delusional about how good Jamie was with his right hand and just behaves totally out of character just like everyone else. Ant most importantly...Jon tells his sisters that he is a Targaryen OFF Screen. What? Why? That pisses me off to no end even all these years later...more so than Jon cant be bothered to properly say goodbye to Ghost like they didnt grow up together. All that being said I really enjoy their reaction and am happy they have so much fun. At this point I am more invested in S&P's arc through this show than any other character's lol. Good stuff guys, really fun watching it. :)

Anonymous
>>112571282

The echo chamber people want in the reactions is the same echo chamber that they wanted with the show in regards to their expectations. And thus their disappointment. Although there’s tons of issues with this episode. Especially and most egregiously with the timing/distance travelled. It’s arguably in my opinion the worst episode of the series. It certainly needs to be split into at least 2 episodes. The only real non timing/travel issue I have is the fact that Euron landed not 1 but 2 bolts into Rhaegal. There’s zero reason they shouldn’t have seen that fleet wayyyyyyy before that moment. This was the bigggest example of them having the checkpoints to the story and not knowing how to fill the gaps/events in between with dialogue.

Anonymous
>>112574616

Absolutely does. It’s everything she’s known for her entire existence. And once she got the taste of it and Viserys was gone, it makes complete sense that she wouldn’t want to relinquish it, and it makes her super paranoid at how easily Jon is loved and respected by just being him. She sees his acceptance by the people of Westeros similar to her acceptance by the unsullied and Dothraki. So in a sense she knows how powerful it is to have that loyalty and love but how near impossible it is to earn that as an outsider. And honestly think of it from her perspective. It’s INCREDIBLY convenient that your sibling and best friend are the two to confirm an unknown bombshell that completely would affect who the “rightful” heir was. It would be more unreasonable for her to just accept it.

Anonymous
>>112571282

Babes there's nothing wrong with wanting one of your favourite reactors to feel the same way about characters. I'm not salty because they have different opinions. I'm only salty because Pudgey championed Dany for so long but failed to realize inconsistencies in her character. I'm not here expecting an echo chamber and even if i did, there's absolutely nothing wrong with wanting to find like-minded people. Get a grip.

Anonymous

Highly recommend reading the books if you ever get the chance. First two seasons are pretty solid adaptions but it goes really off the rails after that

Jontor11

Yeah, most fans really hate this season, and it indeed has a few problems. The fans blame the showrunners, the showrunners blame GRR Martin, and GRR Martin blames the showrunners. Facts remain, GRR Martin himself has still not been able to finish his story, and the showrunners worked with his outlines in mind. That said, what I think could have been done better is to have this Cersei confrontation before the battle with The Night King. This whole Cersei business feels second rate after that epic battle, and Spartan and Pudgey said that too.

Timminson

CGI for two dragons gets expensive lmao

Gummybear

Danny gave cercie the option to avoid bloodshed and cercie chose to hide behind the people. She would always sacrifice innocents and Danny knew that, she had no choice but to take the city with force at that point. No matter what the people were going to be collateral

Anonymous

For me, Dany is someone who was at her lowest and was exalted into an almost god-like status. She felt that she was always untouchable. Always right. She sails to Westeros believing the people there will fall in line like the people of Essos did. This is the first of her many flaws. The people of Essos were a people looking for salvation and Dany became their savior. She sailed to Westeros, believing the people were wanting a savior as well. They didn't. And that threw her off her guard. As Varys once said the common people don't really care who sits the Iron Throne so long as their needs are met. Its the Lords and Great Houses who care about that and none of them are in need of saving. So Dany is looked upon with derision. For someone like Dany who is used to being loved, that's a hard pill to swallow. Since she won't be loved, Dany falls back to wanting to be feared. Which is why she executes the Tarlys. However, those actions end up having negative consequences, something she hasn't had to really deal with before. Then she loses The Martells and The Greyjoys, two of the Great Houses who pledged loyalty to her. Then she loses one of her dragons. A symbol of her power and her strength. So when she agrees to fight for Jon in a way, she is walking wounded. She's vulnerable. She does so in part to gain the loyalty of The North but also its because she desperately needs a win. She feels if she fights alongside and helps defeat the dead that this feat will help raise her back to the mythic status she once held in Essos. The only problem is, it doesn't. Most people beyond Winterfell won't believe it actually happened. Those who were there, look to someone else as the hero of the battle. Jon. It was he who warned of the threat of the dead. He who gathered all the houses together. He who saved the Wildlings and brought them North of the Wall. It is he is who is credited as the hero of the Battle of the Bastards and retook Winterfell. He returned from death to ride a dragon into battle and lead his people to victory. Jon is to Westeros what Dany was to Essos. Its mythic hero. This bothers Dany but in the back of her mind, she is the rightful heir. That is what she is clinging on to. Then she learns she's not. She can't handle it. All she has ever known about the world, about herself is being chipped away and she can't deal with it. So, yes, she's paranoid. She's losing everyone and everything she held dear. She's desperate to hold onto the one thing she still has left -- her claim to the throne. And if she can't get it through love and loyalty, she will get it by force. Which is never a good thing when it comes to Targaryens.

Ammaar Ahmed

going down the unhinged ot for Dany is fine - there's enough in her past for it to not feel unnatural. But its the execution, the rushed job and also the extent to which it goes down that's just plain wrong, terrible writing and a weird character assassination.

Ammaar Ahmed

idk about yall but I do really feel like the longnight came and just went super quickly, like an hour and a bit is better than a standard hour, but I'd love for it to have been 3 episode maybe half a season.

Ammaar Ahmed

"if Jon gets the throne, why would Dany care" bro have you even been watching the last few seasons, that's ltlry all that Dany has been working towards like tf 😭 that's the singular goal that's driven her character. how can any of this feel strange to you that's she'd react like that

Ammaar Ahmed

the episodes will atkeast prove Dany right. The second people know about Jon, they'll always be conspiring against her. Jon doesn't need to want it, it bolsters that support even more

Ammaar Ahmed

Spartan saying that Dany is being paranoid about Jon's birthright being spun out of their control against her, whilst also supporting Varys ltlry spinning the info against Dany in the same episode is so ironic

Ammaar Ahmed

Jamie's horrible chata ter development is shown by his interaction with Brienne. He goes from the hotub scene stating how essentially one of the reason he killed the mad King was to save everyone, to telling Brienne he gives a f*ck about no-one else. lol

Ammaar Ahmed

them talking about the purpose of Bran is funny in hindsight

john

I really think. Spartan and pudgey are somehow nostalgic of the previous seasons. I have no clue. But the writing is something else this season. spectacle en cgi. "Great writing' i just can't. But maybe it comes for them later who knows.

Anonymous

can't forgive the writers for this season

CherryPi

All these nagglers here... I find it almost amusing :D Good god, let these two enjoy the show as they please. You're entitled to your feelings about it but they are equally in the right to praise it. There is no right or wrong.

Dname

I feel for Danny here.

Dname

It's perfectly works for Jamie's character. He loves Cercie and he never abandon his family. For good or bad.

Jonathanese
>>112673846

We also had weeks for things to sink in. If you're watching it all at once, the pacing changes are probably harder to notice.

Sean Carroll
>>112691672

we dont have a problem with them enjoying it, its ridiculous for spartan to say brilliant writing though, we just have opinions about the episodes and seaosns and wont be silenced by toxic positive people like you, I dontunderstand people who are scared of any negative feedback

Anonymous

Spartan/Pudgey did either of you noticed the Starbucks coffee cup in this episode?

David Linares-Plata

What’s so unfortunate is that so much of what’s covered in this episode (and season) COULD HAVE WORKED had it only been given enough time to be properly fleshed out. Instead it’s unforgivably rushed and feels disjointed and almost unsettling.

Omar Cornelio

I personally love Dani's ARC, yes it took a turn but this is game of thrones there is no happy ending but in a way she kept her promise she broke the wheel by doing what she did and left it better

Amy Moquin

I think there are deeper issues fueling Dany during her conversation w/ Jon. 1)Jon&Dany wouldn't be able to share the throne because Jon, as a "Stark" isn't ok w/ incest like Dany is. There's no future for their personal relationship. 2)Dany knows the influence Sansa& Arya hold over Jon, so he'd likely side with them during a disagreement. 3)Although Jon doesn't want the throne, Dany knows that once people find out about his lineage, it won't matter what he wants-just like when he didn't want to be King of the North, which is why she's begging him to keep it quiet. I don't think it's paranoia, I think she knows just how insignificant she would become if people find out his true claim to the throne.

Anonymous
>>112691672

So why can’t Spartan think it’s brilliant writing? Not everyone hates this season/episode!

Anonymous

Isn’t this a reaction channel? Aren’t they supposed to have their own opinions, or is it only ok if they have the same opinion as many of you? I love every episode, I of course don’t like everyone’s getting killed, but I can understand Dany. She has lost almost everyone she cared for or loved, and she is her father’s daughter.

Anonymous

The opening scene of this episode always kills me. Jon's speech is top tier and the music is just 🤌🤌

Anonymous

I think Dany was paranoid because she saw how men were happy and how much they trusted and respect Jon. Also, she might have thought that if Jon tell everyone, they would want him to the king of the seven kingdoms, instead of her as a queen.

Farmer John
>>112691672

@Monica, Because it's objectively bad writting that not even the actors themselves could properly act to it. It's an objective fact, not an opinion. You can enjoy the show, but you can't deny its bad writting and flaws.

Kai Harwood

Come on guy's you've seen House of the Dragon. you know how the age old tale plays out when theres a female heir and a male heir to the same throne. Even if the male heir doesn't want it, the powerful lords and peoples of the realm will think they know better and FORCE him to move against the female heir. So of course Dany is paranoid and begs Jon not to say anything... she's struggled and built up her army from nothing in a foreign country and just helped saved the world from the dead in hopes that she survives and gets to sit on her family seat but now another threat pops up. Even if Jon and Dany married matrineally, if the secret got out about his parents the world would decide his outcome not himself.

Anonymous

What happened to Daenerys? Bad writing happened to her.

Yoursinchris

I wouldn’t say totally bad writing more like rushed, if this was done over a few more season and she slowly descended into madness then it would have been great.

Anonymous

This is where the wheels really started to fall off. The only thing worse than bad writing is no writing. Characters are doing things and making changes out of nowhere, that's why you were experiencing some whiplash moments. Varys turned out of nowhere for no good reason. Because people don't like her, he thinks she's a crazy b#tch and needs to be stopped? Too many issues but Season 8 has so many issues it's just a bummer the writers just stopped caring and wanted to quickly end GOT. Since Season 5 Tyrion was just used as a plot device to destroy Khalessi. All his 'advice' contributed to making her weaker and weaker till the character was backed into a corner and goes 'mad'.

Anonymous

LMFAO! Your reactions to Cersei kill me every time spartan. I feel you. She’s a c*nt.