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THIS IS A BIT SUS??!! | Mushoku Tensei Episode 2 | New Anime Fan! | REACTION (Patreon)

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WE CONTINUE OUR JOURNEY!!!!!

Here is the PATREON EXCLUSIVE reaction to Mushoku Tensei Episode 2!!!!


Enjoy!!!

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Hængeklumpen

this is indeed a bit sus, and i don't get why people watch this.

_TKD_

I would say without a doubt that worldbuilding and character writing is this anime's two strongest suits, so from what you have said previously, I think, and hope, that you will enjoy this anime a lot. Also, the source material for this is a finished story, and the studio adapting this, Studio bind, have recently reconfirmed that they plan to adapt it all in its' entirety (4-5 seasons in total most likely) Edit: About the "Am I rooting for this guy" thing... well, yes, but it's rooting for him to change for the better. "What the hell did I do wrong, all I did was skip out on my parents' funeral to watch uncensored loli porn" is a real quote from the main character at the start of the LN/WB, in other words, he has a very long way to go.

Irimu
>>114564344

Probably because it's top 3 LN of all time. Just a guess.

Miklar Sihn

The show starts off very sus and i would definitely have waited with this until far later in your anime journey. It becomes less sus with time and ends up being a quite good show. It takes a while to really get started and then keeps growing better for quite a while. It is still occasionally sus later, but the good parts are more than good enough to make you ignore the sus.

Euan Thompson
>>114564344

Because it is a fantastic story, even if the sus bits can make it a little hard to watch near the start

Szayel H

That "woman" in the toilet was actually his little niece, the guy is a pedo btw. That's why a lot of people have issues with the anime, strangely enough that storie does get really good in the light novels so just a little warning about the MC

dragonguard666

Feels like people are really blowing their load early on with animes with really sus moments. Y'know it doesn't have to be hyper sus to be patreon exclusive right?

ElectricAnt
>>114564992

"That's why a lot of people have issues with the anime" it's not, most people have no idea about it since anime skipped it

Szayel H
>>114564992

I'm talking about the MC in general not only that scene, it's clear as day what this 30+ yo guy in a child's body likes..

打音玖珠

The full Japanese title is 無職転生 〜異世界行ったら本気だす, meaning "Mushoku tensei (=jobless reincarnation) 〜giving my best when transferred to another world". As hinted in the title, a big theme of the show is that Rudeus knows that he was a worthless bum in his past life, and now that he miraculously got a second chance at life, he is committed to making the most out of it and this time actually live a good and fulfilling life instead. That's one big part of why contrary to many other isekais, the reincarnation bit is very important for the story. He definitely still has a long way to go though lol

Szayel H
>>114564992

Really? I just remember the Aisha stuff not being canon anymore

Normadus
>>114564992

wait ... So that fucked not only missed funeral of family member, but also spend that time beating meat, while watching video of his underaged niece on a toilet ? Now I wish to see him suffer even more :| At least the rest of anime is great when he is not in a focus

Animeter

Peak time!!!

Daniel V
>>114564429

and its damn good redemption arc to the point that when something pedo happens in the far future.He is the first one to outright reject it and be disgusted by it

Hamza Stiti

"it is very sus I dont like it but that just shows you how the main character is because of his past life" "a lot of isekai just completely disregard the previous life aspect but this one is heavily calling back to it" "he is very weird but he basically got bullied into becoming what he is" I am paraphrasing here but man you re already an anime cretic analyzing the show perfectly I can tell you don't use twiter

Yako
>>114564344

Maybe because this hace an excellent character development, the first season is the worst phase of Rudeus, then we can see how he grow

Keith Merrington
>>114564344

Look, we get it. You don't like it. We do, so stop being annoying and just don't watch this series. Why are you trying to spoil things that others enjoy?

Sebastian Stróż

Ah yes the classic comment section under Mushoku reaction where people who clearly dislike the anime come and preach from their high horse how everyone else is a pedophile while they clearly are too dumb to even understand the story. Time to enjoy the reaction and never check comments again...

JOSHUA A STERRETT

Rudeus' past life - his trauma, his suffering, his scumball degeneracy - are all vital to understanding his character and how he'll grow over the course of the story. But yeah, it can get uncomfortable sometimes. A note on Paul and Zenith constantly going at it and Rudeus overhearing them: it's very weird to us, but for most of history families have lived in small houses with basically no soundproofing between rooms. It wasn't unusual for most of history for children to hear their parents having sex, though they would usually calm down (or at least be more discrete) once the children started getting older. This anime does an amazing job at recreating a medievalesque world, but that carries with it some medievalesque cultural elements that are strange/uncomfortable to modern audiences and sensibilities. *shrugs* It's the price you pay for good worldbuilding, I guess.

Ara Araragi

mushoku (moo-show-coo): jobless/unemployed tensei (ten-say): reincarnation isekai (ee-say-kai): other world In isekai, there's generally two main ways someone ends up in the other world: reincarnation or summoning. With reincarnation, they usually get a new body but retain their old memories. With summoning, they're brought to the world as-is but they usually get special abilities or powers. Also, reincarnation doesn't automatically mean it's an isekai. Oshi no Ko is a good example, because they ended up reincarnating into the same world.

Kaiki Deishu

making his past a foundation for the the story is one of my favourite things about this anime. this anime is about growth as a person. while it may take a long time, it's also the same in real life, people rarely change over night.

Darian Torres

Showing his background & showing what type of person he was helps show his development throughout the show

Jared Heynig

Them panties are a key figure through out the story as a relic.

Jared Heynig
>>114567431

True just about the same kind of people who compare almost everything to solo leveling these days

Tatersalad666

Rudy is not a character you are supposed to like from the start. He is a deeply flawed and broken person with serious character flaws. In most isekai the protagonist is also a shut in neet like him, but when they get to the new world, they are super well adjusted and don't have any flaws at all, or if they do they are passed off as a joke and not a big deal. He is gross, and him coming to realize that his behavior is gross and unacceptable, and his desire to become a better person than he was in his last life is what makes this show so compelling and interesting. It is not easy to change who you are overnight, and likewise Rudy does not change quickly either. He does change though, and each moment of character growth for him feels gratifying and well earned.

Keith Merrington
>>114564992

Rudy's not a pedo. The definition of pedo is a primary sexual attraction to pre-pubescents. Rudy's first action in this world is to make a grab for a hot woman's breasts (his mother - although he didn't know that then). A pedophile would not be interested in adult boobies. Rudy appears to have a broad attraction to women and girls. What he lacks is a cultural filter to limit that attraction to adults only - possibly because of his lack of social development in his previous life (due to his bullying and isolation). That is one of the things that changes throughout his character development, although it's a realistically slow development in this series (for spoiler reasons).

Keith Merrington
>>114564992

@Normadus - Yes, the character that Rudy was, had some very reprehensible traits. However, he missed his parents funeral as he was mentally unable to leave his room. Also, when he was kicked out, the first act he did was to save the lives of some schoolkids. So there's also good in the character.

Viredae

As to your point, this is what a shut-in NEET looks like without sugar-coating it, you know how there's movie crying and real crying? Same logic. The whole point of showing this is that you understand why someone can get to these lows and that someone can be redeemed even from there.

Frentzy

it's a redemption story, u don't root for him. u watch him become better.

PolishWizard

this anime is good but its not for someone with a wife and kid tbh, gonna be hard to watch his reaction to all the pedo shit

Keith Merrington
>>114567431

@Sebastian Stróż - Funny how you never hear them preaching about other animes. E.g. the murder, gore, rape, pillage and abject slavery in Vinland Saga. They seem to understand the concept of 'story' there.

Ian Campbell

Funny how this end scene gets brushed off by everyone early on… but is an… ‘indicator’ in character development you’ll understand at some point. (Making vague af to avoid spoilers)

Krusigx

ummmm, not getting married or anything, but is it normal to wear a sword on your wedding day or is it just a Luke thing

Keith Merrington
>>114567736

@JOSHUA A STERRETT - Well said. Also, when children are aware that their parents regularly engage in sex, and their hearing the act is part of daily (nightly) life then they just get bored with it, not traumatized. If kids were traumatized by adults having sex then humans would have had to invent therapists hundreds of thousands of years before they did.

Exter

Yeah the main character is a piece of shit but that's why it's so interesting to watch him eventually develope into a better person

Keith Merrington
>>114564429

@dragonguard666 - There is way more to this story. We are only on the second episode of a (perhaps) 4 to 5 season long anime. And this only covers Rudy's life. There's a load of other stories and lore regarding this world.

SkyMina

Oho , the maid is really important. You know You know.

Krusigx

i wish there where more episodes per week for mushoku tensei.... also i never considert the difference in cheekines pretty cool way to look at it.

XT 421

No spoilers, but you aren't supposed to "like" the main character. This episode is supposed to reinforce your "man, he's kind of a little too pervy..." vibe from last episode, and take it to the "man, he's kind of a piece of shit..." level of disdain. But you pointed it out, there's a strangely expectable pity from his pathetic origins. As much as you want to denounce him, you almost feel bad for him, maybe. Your discomfort is intentional - you are supposed to feel conflicted in liking him and his growth. There is much, much more to come. (Also, fulfilled my promise - hello from youtube)

InflatedNailClipper
>>114564344

Us anime pros are used to anime being weird or sus tbh. I will say the world building, character development, and story are absolutely amazing, but unfortunately some individuals only focus on the weird aspects. It's great if you can overlook those faults, as they are essential for Rudeus's character anyway.

виина

next patreon exclusive domekano (domestic girlfriend)? i think it will suit it wery well like/as this one 🤭

argonxyz

It's really cool to see that you're already able to distinguish what makes Mushoku Tensei not like the other isekais out there. It's true that most isekais tend to disregard the 'past life' aspect of the character and just moved on to the new world. Yes, the anime is sus, and it's not telling you to like the character but rather see how flawed and questionable his views are when it comes to women and society but that's also part of the story on why he was given a chance to redo his life.

Ara Araragi
>>114568555

Well, yeah. Everyone here is paying money to watch a guy watch anime. We're all 🤓

виина

about a maid, you will find out later

Justin Haynes

One of my favorite anime’s ngl

Matthew Williams

Rudeus started learning magic at the age of 2 years and continued until he cast that Intermediate spell at 3 years. What we aren't aware of is that because of his skill at mana manipulation alone at the ripe old age of 3 years old by the time Roxy arrived Rudeus would be considered an Advanced Rank Mage, what he lacked in spells and general knowledge he more then made up with his mana manipulation and his general mana pool or MP in common RPG terms. Lets just say if his HP at age 3 is say 10, his MP is maybe around 50,000 or so (guesstimate not actual numbers, but probably not far off the mark). Rudeus' chant-less magic is actually super rare only about a half dozen mages are recorded in history before Rudeus to have had chant-less or silent casting. Since you are curious about it these are the magic Ranks. Rank 1) Beginner Rank 2) Intermediate Rank 3) Advanced Rank 4) Saint (this is the rank Roxy is and Rudeus becomes at the end of the episode) Rank 5) King Rank 6) Emperor Rank 7) God

MrFlakey
>>114572776

Oh god. I personally enjoyed it but oh boy poor luke if he ever watches it

Trelew

Blue balled us by not listening to the "next episode" title card. Such a satisfying sound.

Soulseller33
>>114568854

so true, its so rare to really see character development. specially with isekai. And you understand so much about his character and his decision if you keep in mind that he was a "weirdo" bullied "kid".

Suichoku
>>114571031

Not unheard of, but not common. Seems like it can be a thing in some cultures (mostly in old times). Can't quite remember if he was Scottish or Irish. Information about this isn't the best (with simple googling). Anyways it is kinda badass and unique so I think it is an awesome idea, so might be mostly just a Luke thing, but the idea is cool.

Suichoku
>>114572408

Yeah it is really unique in a way, MC is made purposively unlikable.. which can be a dangerous choice for profitability, imo it is handled really great here. It differentiates mushoku tensei from your typical anime and the growth hits even harder, since it just isn't easy to root for him.. he has to earn it from viewers.

Muligan Shinzuo

The MC is never going to stop being somewhat "cheeky", maybe it is in his genes. The end scene is going to be brought up again in the future, just FYI. Isekai in most cases is just a way to transplant a character with modern knowledge or overpowered skills into a fantasy setting and build a scenario around that but most of the time the isekai part is quickly disregarded like you pointed out. Muschoku Tensei is a little different in that regard.

Anggst

Those are not just some random panties. They are important tool for character development and plot.

rostikowb

Luke, when you watch at least 10 isekai, you will realize how good mushoku tensei really was

rostikowb
>>114573125

Most isekai skip these "unimportant" moments, and that's why the genre is considered garbage, unfortunately

Rob

Oh and Luke, Mushoku, not Moshuko (that's how you've pronounced it for weeks haha)

Jacob

it takes real balls to make your main character a genuinely bad person with real flaws that cannot be explained away, but it will make the character arc so damn good.

The Luminary

im not gonna lie, I been watching this and im a few episodes ahead it is very good. But holy shit the pervert stuff just basically completely ruins it for me. Like I cant sit here and enjoy something where I gotta see someone get sexually assaulted every episode when it makes literally 0 sense. Its not cute, its not funny, its not entertaining its for 12 year old boys that have parental lock on their browser or for 30 year old perverts

KEVIN RUIZ-MENDOZA
>>114581324

Yeah but it get better in the second part because the perv stuff is very lied down trust let it cook

ArtKi

8:18 and here's a major problem with Rudy right now. He's not taking, not discussing, not negotiating. He's MANIPULATING. He doesn't know how to have a normal conversation since he's spent 20ish years hiding in his room. It takes a long time to even partially cure this. 10:38 "Is he tired of little brothers?" They're the ones who beat him and threw him out of the house after he skipped his parents funeral.

Robert Franklin

Much more story concerning the made will come later. But sadly barely any of her backstory.

pur3
>>114581324

Spoiler Warning - nothing exact just hinting at stuff, probably won't understand without context. Most of it is supposed to be revolting. You are not supposed to be happy about it. He truly does become a better person, but that does not mean that everything he did can be redeemed, that's up to the interpretation of the viewer. I'm also not happy about some things he did, but I can look past it since I don't feel like he ever truly hurt anybody, even if it would be considered serious SA in our world. Some people argue that he doesn't get punished for it at all, and I think that's only half true. Although the punishment for his repulsive actions isn't really the main plot point.

The Luminary
>>114581324

I am aware, and I do not care. It is only in the show to make it appeal to 12 year olds and adult perverts, and for some reason a shit ton of animes do it. Original dragon ball, seven deadly sins, mushoku tensei, high school of the dead, high school dxd, and more I forgot the names of or havent watched. Japan for reason likes cultivating a pervert culture in young men by showing them assaulting women in anime, its fucking weird. Just because you can tie in some weird ass pervert fantasy into a story doesnt make it any less weird. The only story ive seen do it well is Berserk, spoiler warning for berserk I guess, there is a lot of sexual assault and rape in berserk but the show doesnt make it come off as a joke, or funny. It is a traumatic experience that shapes how those characters then interact with the world around them. If you make it so Rudy doesnt take girls panties you lose literally nothing from the over all plot, take away Guts sold by his father to be raped and you completely change who guts is as a person, and completely change his interactions with the people he meets in the story. Why does Guts not like being touched? Why does he get so mad when he is touched? because he was raped as a kid, and that shows his growth as a person when guts then breaks out of that trauma and is fine with Casca and the friends he meets sticking around him. Why does Rudy steal panties? because the author wants us to dislike him, I guess? there are better ways of portraying that then showing sexual assault in a joking way.

Luke

The cheekiness in the others is playful. This is less cheeky and more disturbingly pervy. It makes it a bit hard to root for Rudy sometimes but it does get incrementally better, at least up to a point.

Drakemark

You forgot Tanya the Evil , ther are many call backs, for the real world :D

Sean Mcguinness

"eeh-seh-kai" is the pronunciation, probably mentioned a lot though and not trying to diss or anything!

Yuno

The way I see the Cheeky parts of this episode is that its less fan service(like in No Game No Life) or its almost always from the perspective of the MC not just some random camera angle. its there to show how Rudy looks at the world. A lot of this show is controlled by Rudy, so like you said in the first episode it feels like a serious world but the anime seemed Fun and light Hearted, you can thank Rudy for that feeling since your viewing everything from his POV.

GTB

I'm going to say it once again, because we need to be perfectly clear about what Mushoku Tensei is and what it is not. Mushoku is not some random action adventure fantasy shonen with gratuitous fan-service. It's a seinen light novel dealing with extremely serious themes, with mature writing that focuses on imperfections. Rudeus is a very problematic man with a shitty life who's trying to become a better man and take his new life seriously. This is literally what the Japanese title "Mushoku tensei: isekai ittara honki dasu" means. Deep change is a long and difficult process. Rudeus is neither good nor bad. Like all the other characters. There's no clear line between good and evil in Mushoku. There's only the complexity and harshness of life. Expect more uncomfortable, hard-to-watch moments. It's by no means a feel-good anime. Mushoku is about the characters and their imperfections. And it's damn well written. Which leads to plenty of memorable moments. And to those who criticize Mushoku for being "sus", it's just as wrong as criticizing "The Goodfellas" for being about bad people killing, the mafia and violence. You may not like it, of course. But that doesn't make it any less relevant.

Samuele Micheletti

It's a very "realistic" type of perversion, and it can be annoying at times (but luckily the more u got into it the more acceptable it becomes). One thing I should mention, that I love about this anime, is the amazing attention to details and the realistic aspects of it: like his trauma (that doesn't disappear like other Isekai) he carries a lot of problems, and he HAS to deal with it. But at the same time, he's like a new person that's adjusting to a new world and a new way of living. To a lot it seems strange to have a kid like this as a protagonist, but in a medieval world like that where you can die easily, adulthood comes earlier and at 15 they're considered grown men and almost in marry-age. I tried to not make any spoiler, that's why I'm so generic.

Obscuremango

The test Roxy gave to Rudy was to hold out the magic spell for an hour. Rudy misunderstood and thought she wanted him to outdo her, so he used his knowledge of science to make the culonimbus to self fees itself making it bigger and last a lot longer. That's all that was really skipped The ranking for everything is Beginner - intermediate - advanced - saint - king -imperial/emporor - and divine/god tier

Jesus Christ
>>114581324

The show is rated for mature audiences but apparently at the same time is supposed to appeal to "12 yo boys"... cuz that makes sense lol xD

The Luminary
>>114581324

Yes because you have to show ID and verify you are 18 years old to watch a anime. Great point, if you defend a show jokingly portraying sexual assault your a fucking weirdo

Trey
>>114581324

God forbid a show depict mature themes and not sugar coat things to make people feel better. Its a show about imperfect people and change, if that makes you feel uncomfortable then good, that's the point. No one is defending "jokingly portraying sexual assault" because the show doesn't portray it that way, you may think it does because we see through Rudy's eyes (and his way of thinking its funny makes it more cringe) but no one I know or have seen react to it ever laughs at those more intense scenes, they grimace and judge him for what he's doing, as they should. He also does get punished for his actions, but this isn't modern day society - so don't hold the same standards of what is proper punishment for crimes to this world.

Flutter0Shy
>>114581324

Of course bro, because the show is trying to do fanservice and not showing how the character is just realistically a pervert... Because only 12 yo are perverts, right? Not everything is correct in the world and this character comes from a very real world compared to other shows, that's it. If ya' don't enjoy his pervertions, it's fine because that's how it was made to be, but seems like you miss it whole even after saying it...

The Luminary
>>114581324

Trey, funny how you didn't read a single fucking thing I typed before replying. I brought up berserk as a good example of showing mature themes, how is showing a prince groping a woman then her setting him on fire like what happens in episode 8? I think not a joking way of depicting it. You are meant to think "haha she got groped and got mad" Not to mention everyone in this anime looks like they are fucking 10. They show us a 8 and 10 year old nearly fucking and that isn't weird? I am not uncomfortable by mature themes, berserk is full of them and it is my favorite piece of media ever. I dislike Japanese media portraying sexual assault in a joking way with 0 relevance to the story like this anime, and many others do. Tell me what story relevance that prince groping Roxy has. Tell me what story relevance Melodious sticking his head up Elisabeth's skirt every episode in seven deadly sins has They dont do this dumb shit for the plot, it is strictly fanservice to make perverts and children's dicks hard when watching it.

The Luminary
>>114581324

Kevin, it is a overall good show and I am enjoying it, I hope the perv shit does get toned down its the worst part of the show.

Trey
>>114581324

Funny how you cant read either I guess. Like I said its from Rudys POV who still thinks of this life as a game, up until a certain event. You said your a few episodes ahead of GoT so I wont go into detail of what's been shown in S1 and S2, but all the stuff you see now in the early episodes has purpose. This isn't Seven deadly sins where Meliodas gropes the girl and everyone accepts it and the guy never changes, I dislike that show for these reasons (among others) and only got like 6 or 7 ep into it. Rudy does change and its because he matures as well as receives shame for what he does. As for showing kids almost have sex, in the anime they cut out Rudy's monologue (or rather they shortened it by a lot) but that was a big wake up call for him that he crossed the line and he felt genuinely sorry and a fool for what he did. Peoples mistakes don't make much of an impact on us if we don't see them happen, like i said... its uncomfortable but that's the point, we saw it to understand it fully. Characters look like their 10 maybe because they are?? Weird for a kid to be around other kids lmao, strange idea. They wont always be kids though. Its not everyone's cup of tea but I appreciate when a show or book doesn't shy away from tough topics. Id recommend you go read some of the interviews the author did where he explains why he wrote this and the messages he tries to convey.

The Luminary
>>114581324

I get that its Rudy's POV but there are still ways of showing the impact it can have on people. The everyone looks like they are 10 comment was not aimed at Rudy and the red haired girl, Roxy looks 10 and is 44? I think they said. They may have more in depth conversations in the manga, but that isnt shown in the anime. I quit seven deadly sins after episode 4 because of the BS, I am now going into part 2 of Mushoku so episode 12 and have seen no repercussions, you could argue theres character growth because hes kind of getting better? But not really as of right now. Berserk does it perfectly imo by introducing the character with the trauma and then explaining why they have that trauma (guts was raped so hates being touched) I get that doesnt work for all stories and probably wouldnt for this one, but I think we can agree that they could at least show it in the anime in a less fan service, cringy way if they are going to show it. As of right now, episode 11 the SA scenes have been portrayed in a not serious way, nothing has implied they are bad actions, and he hasnt gotten repercussions. Again I do like the show overall, but the SA stuff is by far the worst, most cringe part of it and could have been done in a better way. Edit: I take back what I said about Rudy getting a little better. In the end credits of episode 11 (that I am currently watching) the red haired girl (who is what 11-12 currently?) is completely naked bathing and Rudy is spying on her. I am sure that has some insane relevance to the story I cant wait to see that. It is just cringe, unnecessary and takes away from a good show

Rowan Oake

People who watch this and continually say it's about redemption. It isn't, and you're misunderstanding the show. Rudeus is never redeemed for his past life. The story is literally just him living his second chance at life to the fullest. Rudeus grows as a character, but is he redeemed? No. Rudeus grows to resist his impulses. Rudeus grows to overcome certain phobias and issues he had; is that redemption? No. Does he need to be redeemed? Not necessarily I didn't say he does or doesn't. This simply says the story told here isn't one of redemption, because it isn't.

Flippnote

Disgusting fanbase

hussam abdelalim

note that his inner voice is his old man voice

Himiyo

saying you're not a fan of the past life elements and trauma is mind blowing tbh, this is rudy's story and that includes his trauma and past life. Also the visual directing depicting a characters emotions/mentality in MT is some of the best i've ever seen in anime.

FullHeart

I like your comment about how this show has a lot of call backs to his prior life. That keeps going, and it's the reason this is THE isekai. Other shows use it as an excuse for lazy writing or power, but in this one his past life and him growing up in his current life IS the story. There's no separating his past life and his current life.

Jc
>>114574583

Should also add that the reason he can do chantless / is good at magic is simply due to his knowledge from his previous world. Example would be the fact that he knows what the chemical make up of water / fire is, giving him a clear picture in his mind. You see it when he figured out how to shoot the water ball. He treats it as an equation.

Matt

Just a question: You seem to dislike that the past life of Isekai protagonists become irrelevant but when it's relevant in Mushoku Tensei you say "I'm not a big fan of it". So which is it? Do you want more or less of the past life being relevant?

plug-in panda

mt fans out in force supporting the pedo character bc “character development”. nasty. i get the author was going for the hateable mc but crossed the line too far. i forced myself to finish season 1 and then dropped it. the ln is even worse he literally watches CP in the beginning. irredeemable character that nobody should root for. gross.

plug-in panda
>>114609692

idk maybe he wants the past life to not be a gross CP watching pedo. he doesn’t like this specific instance.

dragonguard666
>>114610657

As a new watcher this is what I don't get. Surely they could've gone down the hateable redeemable MC route without going down the perverted pedo route.

plug-in panda
>>114589751

gotta draw the line somewhere, guy who watched CP in his previous life, and fantasizes over kids in his “second chance” doesn’t deserve any attention.

dragonguard666
>>114610657

From other comments it sounds like the perversion continues to be a massive cringefest, not handled maturely at all.

Normadus
>>114564992

"Rudy's not a pedo. The definition of pedo is a primary sexual attraction to pre-pubescents." Yeah , masturbating to his little niece on a toilet is not being a pedo LOL I'm sure parents would agree with you xD Its sad that he got bullied but he should still go to prison for that lol. yeah , who cares, that he was molesting Eris for months , all that matters is that, he grabbed his mother tits once xD You guys live on a hard copium to defend that fucker

Cédric Michaud
>>114610657

Say me you didn't watch the episodes of season 2 released, without saying me you didn't watch the episodes of season 2 released.

GTB
>>114589751

While Henry Hill, Dexter, Michael Corleone, Patrick Bateman, Jordan Belfort, Travis Bickle, Arthur Fleck, Jack Torrance, Lou Bloom, Alex DeLarge, Tony Montana, Walter White, etc... Or in anime, Eren Jaeger, Tanya von Degurechaff, Revy, Light Yamagi, Tetsuo Shima, etc... All such good guys who deserve our attention! Sociopaths, mafiosi, torturers, murderers, rapists, thieves, drug dealers, drug addicts, greedy, wife beaters, genocidists...who, for the most part, don't even try to change. Good luck trying to explain in a coherent and pertinent way why all the worst vices can be dealt with in works of art...but especially not this sexual deviance. As if a character perpetrating massive genocide is more socially and humanly acceptable than a character (still a virgin) attracted to young girls. I'd agree with what you're saying if the anime showed this deviance positively or humorously, if Rudeus was just a pedo looking to indulge his fantasies. But the anime ALWAYS shows this as something bad, Rudeus is reprimanded when he behaves like this, and above all Rudeus wants to take the path of a better man. What makes Rudeus interesting (interesting doesn't mean good, or lovable) is how he evolves through his choices and his relationships with the other characters. How a problematic man can become more respectable. What makes these animes and films interesting is not what the characters are, but the construction or deconstruction of what they are. Characters are used to talk about something more global. Through the sociopath Travis Bickle, Scorsese speaks of the American society of his time. Mushoku Tensei is about human imperfection, flaws and failure, about living with it or trying to change, and doing one's best.

plug-in panda
>>114610657

lmao learn to read. i literally said i dropped after season 1. i did say it genius.

GTB
>>114610657

@weaponized panda> It's simply your "crossed the line". You may be okay with other characters that other people consider to be way over the line. Personally, I understand very well why someone might be disturbed and not want to watch a character with sexual deviances. On the other hand, I find that having a problem with this and at the same time perfectly accepting extremely violent and delinquent characters is...interesting.

plug-in panda
>>114610657

and regardless rooting for someone who literally watched CP in the LN to get better is gross. would you support real life people who have and watch CP? yikes.

smth positive_

sorry but mt is no redemption story. rudy is a gross character and the story doesnt even look at his weird tendencies as character flaws rather it gets used as cheap running gag. sorry mt fans but not everones gonna like some weirdo who worships panties bc "character dvelopment" the whole premise of the sow is really off putting if you pour a little thought into it hes still a 30yo

smth positive_
>>114610657

hes still worshiping panties lol. i love how mt fans perception of suffering is erectile dysfunction tells you everything you need to know lmao

FinalMasterM
>>114610657

I'm glad Panda has decided to unsub from Luke, we really don't need people like you around the community.

plug-in panda
>>114610657

who said that lol. there are plenty of people with the same stance as me in the comments. luke is great and i’m happy he is very uncomfortable already because it means he has some sense. i’m perfectly capable of just watching his other reactions.

FinalMasterM

I'm sorry for the illiterate people in the comments who misunderstand the story being told. Flinging around terms like pedophile, child porn, etc over fiction, it's something we in the anime fandom have seen en masse in recent years as people latch onto a insignificant portion of the medium to make their identity while ignoring and even disowning the majority of it. I'm not going to go into detail or hint at future events, but if this level of content makes you froth at the mouth, you're ignorant and should probably go back to watching cartoons for children.

GTB
>>114610657

@weaponized panda> Would you support real life Sociopaths, mafiosi, torturers, murderers, rapists, thieves, drug dealers, drug addicts, greedy, wife beaters, genocidists? yikes. Lots of popular movies/series/animes/books have very questionable characters. Do you really think they're popular because people approve of what the characters do? The question have no sense. It's even a bit stupid one. You mix things up randomly...And of course Luke feels uncomfortable. We all do. That's precisely the point. I assume you've already seen a film with a scene of violence. How did it make you feel? Did you like it? Do you like to watch people killing other people? Do you like violence? Do you like to watch people getting beaten up and killed? Do you validate violence? Perhaps you're as problematic a person as those who wrote and directed the film. See how this kind of reasoning makes no sense.

plug-in panda
>>114610657

if you don’t draw the line at kids then more power to you i guess. and it’s how it’s portrayed. there is a way to approach the subject and then a zillion ways not to. mt follows one of the many ways not to.

GTB
>>114615745

No one says you have to like it. Of course you don't. On the contrary, it's perfectly understandable that some people don't like it (just as some people hate A Clockwork Orange). But don't talk nonsense. "Rudy is a gross character and the story does'nt even look at his weird tendencies as character flaws rather it gets used as cheap running gag." The first time it talks about Rudy's deviances, he gets violently beaten and evicted by his brothers after the funeral. What a comic moment! I won't spoiler here by talking about all the other moments where he'll get beaten up for this behavior, where he'll be told about the importance of consent, etc.... His deviance is always shown negatively in the picture and perceived negatively by the characters. You have the right to dislike this anime and this character. You don't have to lie and change things to do so. Rudeus is a problematic character. That's the point. Just as other works have very problematic characters.

Flippnote
>>114610657

Exactly. They’re trying to give a redemption arc to a character who you shouldn’t want to see redeemed unless you relate to him somehow. This is a predator. Then it tries to “commentate” on his fixation with children while also fetishizing it through its animation.

smth positive_
>>114615745

I’m talking about the new world tho. He gets out of jail bc he made a perverted Roxy figure so he’s actually getting rewarded for being a creep even getting iseakai and getting to sleep with little girls is probably the best that could’ve happened to him also what plot relevance does it have for it to be his cousin? They could’ve easily made him a “irredeemable” character without going for the perv/pedo route this is where it stops for a lot of people. I did spoil myself about the ending bc I was curious and apparently at the end he’s still pretty shitty as a person so I couldn’t care less about the character a shame bc the world building animation and osts are really enthralling but he’s just making it unenjoyable for me and a lot of others

Flippnote
>>114616291

“Redemption stories” don’t work for characters you shouldn’t wanna see redeemed moron. A character who gets caught beating to his child niece, then gets the classic isekai escapist’s route to unleash his desires without consequence shouldn’t be seen as redeemable unless you somehow relate to him. And a show that tries to “commentate” on this stuff while also fetishizing it through its animation and using it for comedic purposes is either completely tone deaf or just plain disingenuous with its themes. It’s the escapist’s wet dream and it’s extremely disturbing. This is coming from someone who actually enjoys the plot and keeps up with the series. I can’t stand y’all who ignore this show’s extreme flaws and try to devalue the valid criticism it gets

Flippnote

Here’s the truth for Rudy meat riders. “Redemption stories” don’t work for characters you shouldn’t wanna see redeemed. A character who gets caught beating to his child niece, then gets the classic isekai escapist’s route to unleash his desires without consequence shouldn’t be seen as redeemable unless you somehow relate to him. And a show that tries to “commentate” on this stuff while also fetishizing it through its animation and using it for comedic purposes is either completely tone deaf or just plain disingenuous with its themes. It’s the escapist’s wet dream and it’s extremely disturbing. This is coming from someone who actually enjoys the plot and keeps up with the series. I can’t stand y’all who ignore this show’s extreme flaws and try to devalue the valid criticism it gets

Kyle Hunt
>>114615745

Agreed. Hope Luke can enjoy for the sake of his content, but I'm with you on this one. It would be different if the story were meant to be satirical, such as with Konosuba and many others, but this one is presented in a straightforward serious manner that just shows the MC as being disgusting. Obviously this is a personal opinion, but at least two people here share that opinion. I personally don't enjoy an MC who has the mentality of a ten year old, and I don't think his past experiences can be used to justify his behavior, in fiction or reality. All that said, I do hope that Luke can still keep his audience and himself happy with the show.

FinalMasterM
>>114567431

Good idea, I said my peace and I'm gonna hope Luke doesn't take their ignorance to heart and ruin the enjoyment of the series for himself.

BRUNO Marques
>>114618630

This is pretty tame. There are worse offenders of these sexual themes, and they are classics exactly because they explore uncomfortable themes. The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant are way, way worse and yet a fantasy classic. Neets and poor underage behaviours are common issues in Japan and writing stories about it is perfectly fine and relevant. The mushoku books, and the anime, never glorifies or pretends those issues are ok. This is also not really a redemption story, more of an attempt at another chance. Not everything turns out ok.

BRUNO Marques
>>114581324

He gets dealt a pretty bad hand eventually. People assume this is a typical hero journey story. Nope. The books cover his life, plenty of time to let him cook. His child years, he ain't all that adjusted. You are meant to not like his behaviour.

Flippnote
>>114618630

I’ve heard the light novels are better, but the manga and anime adaptations absolutely fetishize it. Let me give you 2 examples of different ways this can be portrayed. Himeno in Chainsaw man. Her scene with denji is one that is portrayed as dark and grungy and shows a helpless denji being taken advantage of by a wasted adult with uncomfortable ambient music. Then she RECOGNIZES AND ADMITS to her grossness and its implications. Now we have Rudy with nose bleeds and sparkling eyes looking at young girls drawn with shiny bodies and zero internal dialogue from him recognizing any wrongdoing. This an example of real commentary versus fanservice masked as commentary. MT tries to have its cake and eat it too

BRUNO Marques
>>114618630

Some lessons take time. Not everything has to be immediately sanitized. Like I said, many great stories have horrid things happen in them. Chainsaw man also has no particular moral standing on many things... Like cannibalism, or basic human decency. It gets wild man.

sauce
>>114618630

idk the show was pretty popular so it seems like it worked.

dragonguard666
>>114610657

"Ya see, no one's tried to do a pedophile redemption story before so it's automatically good for being so daring."

Himiyo
>>114618630

So you say "disgusting fanbase" then say you enjoy it and keep up with the series, so you're a part of that disgusting fanbase I guess? Why would you be a fan of a series where the main theme of the show is apparently an "extreme flaw"? Or are you just trying to seem more reasonable by saying that? If you actually paid attention to the animation and sound design you'd see that in the important scenes like this the girl isn't sexualised by the animation outside of rudy's direct POV and the direction shows his feelings afterwards even if we don't get a full monolouge of what he's thinking in that moment, Himeno was a drunker stupor fueled by holding in emotions, Rudy is a lifetime worth of trauma and severe mental health issues, you don't just get over that in one reflection. Also constantly making points on a non-cannon detail and exaggerating what happens in the show to make your argument is so disingenuous. Don't see why you wouldn't want to see a character redeemed in any case but okay. Would love to hear what you think of Paul btw.

Flippnote
>>114618630

Yeah it is a disgusting fanbase I’m a part of. I take issue with how this fanbase behaves, being a part of it. Isekai is an escapist genre. That is the entire idea behind it, it’s the whole premise that makes it work. Saying “she’s not sexualized outside Rudy’s POV” means literally nothing when all isekai exist hyper focused on the MC’s experiences. Your main character hates their life so now they die and start a new journey learning lessons and so on. We get a protagonist who is a pedophile (you can call it non-canon but the anime just implies what we already know is there through countless context clues) getting shoved into a world where he will not and DOES NOT receive appropriate consequences for his sexual behavior towards young female characters. He literally grooms these children by no stretch of its definition. The power dynamics of an adult man and a young girl completely unaware of the mental age of who she’s talking to is so grotesque. Knowing this, none of the relationships he builds can be seen as genuine or pure. It’s repulsive how people completely deny this and call themselves fans. I also have not exaggerated a single thing. I have episode numbers and time stamps for every instance where the show’s animation and direction completely ignores whatever “themes” the series claims to have. I will not waver in saying this show often turns what SHOULD be portrayed as moments of weakness in our MC that are to be reflected on into playful fanservice you could find copy-paste in so many other ecchi shows.

Somedude Watchintv

For better and worse I appreciate that the show doesn't forget that he had a past life. Most Isekai could just be regular Fantasy shows without losing much if anything but here the author actually takes advantage of the genre to tell a story.

Somedude Watchintv

Rudy doesn't disdain Paul he's just a full adult(older than Paul) thinking about another adult. He doesn't think of him as a dad more like a caretaker at least right now.

FinalMasterM
>>114616291

I'm not the one missing the entire point of Rudy's character or the story.

DarkSamiri430

My heart when he says the maid had no contribution to the story 💔 lolololol

chengstax

the MC was a shut in neet that was jerking it off and didn't show up at his parents funeral, his siblings got tired of it and kicked him out of their home. That's why he said he's tired of little brothers.

Himiyo
>>114618630

Isekai is usually escapist for sure, but I would say the by far top 2 isekai are NOT escapist at all (MT, Re:Zero), some elements of MT can be but its approach to story telling and mature theme's definitely do not comply with a typical escapist fantasy, isekai or not. What I mean by Rudy's POV is not the overall story, because of course it's Rudy's story, I mean in terms of directing when we're seeing things through the lens of Rudy, it's well done directing to show how Rudy views girls as anime/eroge/dating sim characters. As far as the anime and more importantly LN is concerned Rudy was just jacking off, so to make a point of saying it's to his "child niece" is disingenuous, but this doesn't matter anyway. Yes of course at the start he's manipulative and calculating and doesn't see people as people, especially girls, this is literally the point, to say he can't develop true connection in his new life is to completely ignore or be blind to the development throughout the series and anime, if you can't see that what you're complaining about is literally the point, I have to question your media comphrension. "Rudy with nose bleeds and sparkling eyes looking at young girls drawn with shiny bodies and zero internal dialogue from him recognizing any wrongdoing.", this entire sentence is complete exaggeration and just wrong, I agree the show could have done more to show Rudy's mindset during some scenes early on but it still does and the LN goes more indepth obviously due to format. Still wonder what you're a fan of if you miss or actively hate such a massive part of the show, also still wonder how you feel about Paul.

Dat_Saucy_Boy

The show does something that not a lot of other isekai do, which is actually place an existing character into another world. Rudy brings all of his past trauma, experiences, flaws, knowledge, and everything else with him. He's still the 30-something year-old shut in which is why the show and Rudy seem unusually perverse at the moment. He gradually moves away from this as his character develops, so the show gets less cheeky the more you watch.

rjcloutier

I joined your patreon just for this!! You couldn’t have picked a better time to get into this show! The second season is going on now and it’s amazing so far. For an Isekai, there are a lot of real emotions & obstacles that are very relatable, and the character development is very gradual & realistic. And a constant theme of forgiveness. I love this show so much, you’ll really enjoy it!

NnT042

Ah, the typical MT flame war. "It's a redemption / It's not a redemption" - "He's a pedo / That's not what pedo even means" and on and on and on. Can I just mention that moreso than all the usual back and forth that the most offensive thing to me is that it has become pretty much the norm to refer to ANY sexualization, attraction, or implied sex acts as SUS, i.e. suspicious? Suspicious how? It's a crime to have or want sex now? WTF? Yes, yes I know all your favorite video platforms are obligated by laws and their own rules to ban lewd content for the sake of The Children, but that doesn't mean we all have to play act that we are Puritans (the fake history book kind, not the real ones, those guys went at it like rabbits) and any hint otherwise will summon the ban hammers and FBI's and such. It's irritating. It reminds me of the early days of anime subs when any Japanese word referring to lechery or sexual interest automatically got lumped in as "Pervert!". Guys that's not what pervert means. The shit Old-Rudeus was watching? Perversion. But New-Rudeus parents having vanilla sex? Not on your life.

cread13
>>114618630

I've seen so many people claim the person in the clip he is beating meat to is his cousin but nothing in the show says that in any way and only thing people say to that everytime is its implied (I don't see how it is) or its from the books of the series that the author has already rewritten and removed some details from over the years while refining the series.

Flippnote
>>114618630

You’re right, it’s not considered “canon” because it was a removed detail from the original draft of the source material. It received backlash for obvious reasons. But it’s also considered to still be implied because his brother still looks at the same screen (which was originally stated to have his daughter in a swim suit) and kicks him out after becoming furious. So the idea is still very much there and Rudy even goes to complain about being “sick of brothers” in the anime with no explanation. It refers to this detail since it wasn’t stated to be his brother. So it was very lightly written out of the story to cause less friction with fans but details were still kept for those who really know what happened. I guess you can think of it as an elaborate form of censorship. The intention of the scene is still there so that’s why some consider it heavily “implied” such as myself.

cread13
>>114653019

I wish the more the vocal part of the anime community was reasonabl like u instead of the screeching children that cry about shows not being to there liking. "If u don't like something then don't interact with it and don't go out of your way to try and ruin it for others that do or might be interested in it." Has always been my mindset.

John

The point of Mushoku Tensei, is a human piece of shit who did one noble thing before he died being reborn and given a second chance to... not be a piece of shit. He, as he said in episode 1, spent 20 years locked in a room not talking with other people. He has no ability to properly interact with others, and sees interactions with other people through the lens of porn games. The man that becomes Rudeus was absolutely not a good person, but he also wasn't completely evil. If he was, he wouldn't have jumped in front of a truck to try and save three high school students. This series is a journey of him trying to relearn what it means to be a decent person, and he will occasionally fail during that journey. The maid being creeped out by him underscores this, he is very much still a creep. But give him time.

Uladzimir Lykshyn

I just learned that there is some controversy around Mushoku Tensei. Why there is so much fuzz over a fictional story? I scanned through the comments but didn't get it.

Stephen Rhoades

Don't really think that it is spoilers, but just so you know the biggest time skip in the entire story as far as I can recall is only 2 years.

Talan
>>114661058

cause of the main character but they dont realise that he changes for the better

Chris Gama
>>114661058

Yeah what other said, not to spoil but its down to personality and some suggestive content among what are normally minors, so yeah thats what most people's problems are. There is real character growth in here too, and anything that is considered bad isn't treated as if its acceptable. Its a really, really good isekai.

Jeppe Beier
>>114618630

I feel like it could seem just as likely that his brother was disgusted at him beating it off to porn or hentai rather than attend the funeral.

LireKlein
>>114661058

Mainly the fact that it's a grown man (sure in a kid's body, but still) who is interested in minors in the new world. So you could debate the legality, but the morality is in pretty weird territory.

yuzu hibiki
>>114618630

Personally don't understand what you mean by unleash his desires. He is a closet pervert yes, and the original source material that was sus which wasn't even adapted anymore, yet you seem to be hell bent on it still being an issue. And then you go on about consequences for unleashing his desire, but what consequences are there suppose to be when he is literally in a child's body acting like a child? Supposedly you want some consequences to happen, what do you want to see? Rudy gets beaten up by parents for picking up girls underwear, is that it? And which part is pedophilic? The part whereby old deus tried to lay his hand on the dwarf girl? Thoughts and action are 2 different things, you can think whatever sus stuff you want as long as you don't act on them. The series simply voices those thought to us instead since it's a pov light novel adaption

yuzu hibiki

Ignoring all the comments about how rudeus is this and that, Mushoku-Tensei is a great series that has good world building & character development for almost everyone. It makes the Main character OP but at the same time not mauling through all the opponents with breeze, making for an exciting & enjoyable series. The Isekai elements actually comes into play in the story even more & you will get to know more about it in season 3-4 which won't be here for a while. I'm excited to see more reactions to series from Luke & for future seasons reaction too.

kiwi

In case you didn't realise, in the beginning where he gets beaten up and thrown out of the house it's because his parents died, and instead of attending their funeral he stayed in his room jacking it to hentai. Edit: nevermind

Animeter
>>114661058

It's only in this community. I don't know why? Other reaction channels haven't such hateful comments. Big channels like Chibi reviews and Gigguk praising this show and that's why i started watching it last year and it has become one of my favorite isekais.

Daniel V
>>114661058

more normies i guess.Like chibi or gigguk you expect veterans who watch anime for 10 or more years to watch them while here is mix of many random fandoms

i_am_jam
>>114671832

He was actually jacking it to a video he took of his nieces in the bathtub which is why his brother was disgusted when he looked at the monitor. Censored in the anime

Uladzimir Lykshyn
>>114661058

Thank you guys! But this is exactly what I don’t understand. Everyone seems to be agreed on the fact that being a pedo is a bad thing and the show does nothing more than shows a bad human being bad like in most anime or tv shows. Is it that when it comes to children it’s suddenly different? Understanding mindset of a bad actor is always seemed important to me since we could learn how to minimise risks and have a discussion on how to manage that kind of people in society. It’s not like they would disappear if we stop looking at them. I really don’t get it.

daverboy

You're right to feel conflicted about him, especially about the person he was in his first life. At the beginning of the series, Rudy really isn't a good person. He's not some monster, but he's deeply flawed. There are valid reasons for him becoming a shut-in, but it didn't stop him from becoming kind of a scumbag too. He did try to save some kids' lives, but he was only there because his younger brothers threw him out of the house for skipping their parents funeral. He's a diligent student and eager to learn, but he's also a huge perv. But that's part of why the first episode ends on that hopeful note. With him thinking to himself that with this second chance, even a worthless bum like him can live a proper life.

Ummm345
>>114610657

@weaponized panda I love how you completely ignored his points and went “but the kids”. There are literal criminals in many films yet we as audience may still like them as a character, does that make you supportive of their actions? You draw the lines at children, meaning that all the other things GTB mentioned is inside your line of acceptance? Like I don’t get it.

Ummm345
>>114615745

I’m curious what ending you were spoiled to because he was definitely not a shitty person at the end of volume 26.

Ummm345
>>114615745

@smth positive_ For the figurine part, it was just exaggerated, real life figurines are literally detailed to be like this, I don’t think that’s a good example for you to be using. As for his relationship, if that’s how you think, then Rudeus can never have a good relationship in this world, because if he’s with people his physical age, you call him a pedo, if he is with people his mental age, you’ll call the partner a predator, so what exactly should he do. I would argue that because he is in a child’s body, he naturally possesses child hormones. Just like how his brain functions faster and gets to learn knowledge better in his kid body, wouldn’t it make sense for him to have child hormones and be attracted to people of his age? I’ve read the LN and his interest of age has always been people of his physical age and older. There is no relevance for Eris to be his cousin, and there is no need to, because the setting is in the middle age and no one cares lol. And I don’t know what spoiler you read but as of the end of volume 26 he is definitely not a shitty person. Hell, I can say he became a decent human being after volume 12 or around.

plug-in panda
>>114610657

oooo nice, the “black and white” rebuttal. try having nuance. nobody said they accept or endorse the other violent actions. but sexual desire for literal children is so beyond disgusting that it crosses lines of the “redeemable” character. it is fantasy so a lot of violent acts can be redeemed. MT is obviously fantasy as well but the disgusting sexual desire of rudy are rooted in his previous life which is supposed to be akin to reality.

smth positive_
>>114615745

Yeah that’s not how mental age works as also at the end he’s with the 2 little girls he groomed with the mind of a 30yo you can write all the wall of texts that you want but for a lot of people that’s not morally sound. He’s a pedo bc he jacked of to his nieces before he got isekaid and in the new world he can freely live our his fetish maybe the mental age thing would be less questionable if the author didn’t make him go off on little girls? And yet again the narrative doesn’t punish him after he gets reborn so sorry if I don’t want to sit of multiple seasons of a foul character with barely any redeeming qualities just getting a little better “he’s still a pedo but hey he overcame his anxiety and went outside” unfortunately doesn’t cut it for me

Ummm345
>>114564429

@dragonguard666 There’s worst people that get redeemed in stories, even though you don’t want them redeemed in real life. Take Arthur Morgan from RDR2 for example, despite how good your play through is, before the player controlling him, he was a murderer and a cold person, yet people still loved him as a character when he redeemed himself in the journey depending on your play through. I think Rudy should be despised, but is he really worse than a murderer? Unless you consider his relationships as pedophilia, which I highly disagree, otherwise he can never have a relationship in this world without being called a pedo because anyone his physical age is still technically 30 years younger.

Ummm345
>>114602566

You know it’s completely fine if you can’t accept the show, but just because you can’t enjoy the show doesn’t mean others can’t… it also doesn’t mean that because they enjoy the show they are fine with what the MC is doing.

cread13
>>114661058

He's not a bad person he's just someone who was dealt a bad hand in life and in the end even after all he's been through he still decided to do the right thing (scene were he saves the people from getting hit by the truck) so because of that he's given a second chance. A lot happens in his new life as he grows up that changes him, u see a glimpse of some of the things he has to overcome mentally in the scene were Rudy and Roxy leave the house to go to his final test. It's a great story of someone given another chance at life and how that life effects others.

Ummm345
>>114610657

@weaponized panda I would argue violence and murdering being actually way worse than Rudy. Despite his seemingly pedophilia thoughts, he’s never committed an unforgivable major crime such as, for instance, rape. His worst actions I can recall in the entire show is the sexual assault during episode 6, which is still absolutely disgusting, but that is literally meant to be disgusting. I get it that people are more sensitive towards sexualized contents, but if you think that is what crossed the line, while holding a different standard for violence in shows, then I don’t really know what to say. This “akin to reality” argument is pretty funny to me. It does not make sense lol, a lot of shows are based on real life with just extra elements added to it. It’s still a world where humans are there to think and act humanly…

Saiden
>>114671832

Incorrect, and I really wish people would stop spreading this bullshit, that's from the web novel. In the Light Novel and in the anime adaption, it's still bad, but it's not that bad.

Ummm345
>>114615745

@smth positive_ So he’s a shitty person at the end because he married the two people he is very close to at a young age. Got it. He’s literally not been outside for 20 years in his past life, his mental age is not a 30yo lol. Also he didn’t groom Sylphy, I don’t know what you’re talking about, he did SA Eris and I am not going to defend that, because it’s not suppose to be defended. But are you going to ignore all the good things he did for Eris, and how she herself feels? You criticize this part of the story yet you have no idea how they got there is crazy to me. Looking at the bare surface and calling Rudy a shitty person at the end of the story is pure nonsense. Him jacking off to his niece in his previous life is very gross, which is indeed pedophilia thoughts. So a horrible person does a horrible thing, ain’t that logical? How did he freely live out his fetish? Him being with people of his physical age? I literally explained that previously. His interests of age grows with his physical age in his second life, so clearly he isn’t trying to go for children is he? You’re free to not like this show, and I don’t really care, but just so you know, a lot of redemption stories/arcs have characters that would have barely any redeeming qualities if put in real life, just like MS. For example, Arthur Morgan from RDR2, Walter White from Breaking Bad. Yet people still liked these characters because they view them as complex characters. That doesn’t necessarily mean they forgive all their pass actions, but it rather mean that they enjoy to see the change in these characters at a certain point. It’s really not that hard to understand. It’s fine to be sensitive about contents that touches on sexual activities, and once again, you’re completely free to dislike it, but I hope people like you can understand why others can enjoy this show.

Ummm345
>>114581324

FYI season 1 both parts combined is barely 1/4 of the novel, it’s a slow journey where he gets better. Season 1 is basically the time period where Rudy is doing the most creepy things and you’re better off not expecting anything. Season 2 which is airing right now toned down hugely on Rudy’s perversion. Most of the things you said are valid, I think the show definitely could’ve portrayed their theme way better, but idk why you said smth about everyone looking like ten which came out of no where and not true lol. Some of the scenes definitely shouldn’t come off in a jokingly way, like you mentioned, the princes groping Roxy. But it is definitely used to portray a character’s not-likeable characteristics, unlike Seven Deadly Sins. Rudy having panties is just there because it’s there at this point lol. He will continue with this dumb thing throughout the story. It won’t be for perversion purposes and it won’t appear as much in S1, but if you can accept this I think you would have a much better time watching the series after you finished S1 and move on to S2 and potentially future seasons.

The Luminary
>>114581324

Allow me to turn your attention to Kishirika Kishirisu. Im not even gonna mention the outfit shes in either bc that is disgusting

Ummm345
>>114581324

That’s not everyone though, and she is literally a child in her race rn because they live for a long time. There will be more of her race in the future but obviously I won’t say anything cuz that involves spoiler. Only thing I’ll say for the purpose of this reply is that they’re grown ups of their race. She just resurrected that’s why.

JR

Since you describe the different kinds of sus, that would put an anime like Highschool DxD right in the middle of both kinds lol. It's not explicit in voicing sex like Mushoku (they don't actually go that far) but it has all kinds of nudity. Ironically, some of which is actually important to the plot because of who the protagonist is lol. 70% of it is fan service but there is points where it's actually a PLOT point lmao. I hope you enjoy Mushoku though, once the story building really gets going, the cheekiness dies down significantly and it really takes off. The story of who he was in his previous life to who he becomes in this life is quite the ride.

Harley Burnie

Little known fact about those pantsu....I believe those were ones she wore on a night that she......appreciated the Zenith & Paul performance, if I remember right. So, they really were divine.

Keith Merrington
>>114564992

@Normadus - Dude, its a CARTOON. Who is it that you're trying to protect here? No one is suggesting that any of the sus stuff Rudy does should be emulated in real life. It's a 'story'.

Keith Merrington
>>114638155

Thanks for pointing that out as I was puzzled by that since he didn't have any siblings at that point in his isekai life (and only sisters later).

chengstax

what a bunch of hypocrites crying about the MC being a pedo. Why don't you bitches cry every time a fictional character get murdered in cold blood? because it's FICTIONAL you fucking hypocrites.

Keith Merrington
>>114671832

And does it really matter? The anime is what we are watching here, and the anime hardly shows anything - so go with that story. Why try to claim one fiction is false and and another fiction is true? The anime creates a fine story in and of itself.

Renagale

I doubt you will see this still but in the manga he didn't just make it storm. He used his past world knowledge on storms to create a real storm that would outlast his use of mangic. In roxys demistratuon the storm would only last as she continued to pour mana into it. For Rudy on the other hand he used the spell to create the storm then used fire and wind magic to create a vortex of hot and cold air to create a cold front that kept the storm going for hours without the use of any more magic. A feat that immediately gained him the title water saint by Roxy.

Steven Hardy
>>114802950

Damn, dude out here defending pedos. It is fictional, this is true. The difference though is the presentation of the content. Murder is generally used as a vehicle for drama, plot, or tension. Sexualizing children, in the case of this show, is used for certain viewer's gratification. It's not being used as a vehicle for the narrative. If you wanted to compare the sexualization of minors in anime to murder you'd be better off comparing it to shows that use it gratuitously. This doesn't make the rest of us hypocrites, it just makes you stupid for being unable to see the difference.

Gilgabro

Haha a sword on your wedding day. That is kinda cute but also cringe.

Aaren YASS
>>114802950

you sorta just outed urself for the same reasons ur pointing out. its fictional. irdc if the MC actually was a pedo, as long as he isnt anymore or is trying to be a decent man. it would show progress/improvement which is more believable in fiction (i wouldnt believe it for a second irl without creds). Also i believe the point of OP, is that they were trying to point out hypocrisy between what people tolerate despite it all being bad. Because as you said, there are anime/med that sexualize the death of characters/teens/women and it can be gratuitous. (kinda wanna bring up killing stalking but its a thriller) its just that whole "pick me" dark fiction debate. -

chengstax
>>114802950

it makes you stupid for not being able to see your own hypocrisy.

chengstax
>>114802950

I'm not a pedo, but if i never put my foot down, people will keep stuffing their own morals up my ass. And it totally sucks that these same types of people already force censorship in video games that they'll never even play, and even destroy beloved film franchises that I love.

GTB
>>114802950

@Steven Hardy > @Steven Hardy> No, you're just making stuff up... and you're not even trying to back up your assertions. The main difference you don't want to admit is that you're okay with watching violence, not sexual abuse. You're perfectly entitled to do so, but there's nothing else, so there's no point in creating reasons that don't really exist. (warning /!\ spoiler for Breaking Bad) In Breaking Bad, Walter is a nice guy who will become the worst bastard ever (no one seems morally shocked by this, btw). The series shows him acting good and then gradually acting bad. It's shown because it describes the character's evolution. Showing or suggesting does not have the same goal, nor the same impact process. You can say verbally that a character has been raped (you give information which, through connections in the brain, generates the idea of empathy), or you can show the character being raped in more or less raw way (in this case it's no longer information, it's an experience which directly generates emotion, without rationalizing it). They're not equivalent, and each method has a different purpose. In Mushoku, it's the same in the other direction. Rudeus is, first, problematic and seeks to become better. He's shown to be problematic, then gradually shows more consideration for others, and sets limits for himself. That's why there are fewer and fewer uncomfortable scenes. It is especially in the first episodes that there are these kinds of scenes. You can just suggest he is problematic...or you can show it. If it had been suggested, the viewer would never have this feeling of disgust that you feel and that is deliberately provoked. What's more, the anime always shows this behavior as bad, and the characters always act in reprimand. I'm not going to spoil here, but I could cite every scene as an example (I mean every scene where Rudeus acts like this) to show that it's never gratuitous and never shown positively. So you're talking nonsense just because it bothers you to watch this kind of scene, while a murder scene bothers you a lot less. You're perfectly entitled not to want to watch a story about this kind of character, just as many people don't like watching stories about violent characters. If I'm wrong, I'm open to changing my mind. Prove your assertions to me. Demonstrate, with examples, that the anime is fan-service for no reason, and that sexual deviance is shown positively and accepted. Good luck! I see that anyone who claims it's a pedo anime, that we shouldn't tell stories about these kinds of characters, that it's not the same for all those movie/series/anime characters who have all the world's worst violent vices, isn't arguing. If it was, it would be easy to demonstrate, wouldn't it?

Jay Burch

Gods are personal in Slime. Like when Season 3 comes we will have a talk about a “god” but gods and divine beings arent a focus of slime

Phyllis

You will see more of the maid.

Chrono 1002

I feel like it's easy to understand why he calls his new father Paulo, rather than father. He is a 30+ year old man. Obviously he would feel a different kind of attachment to a random men who just appeared into his life. He is probably closer to a friend than a father to him. The past life scenes are there for a reason. It shows hope the hope and possibility of change and helps with the character development. Basically he starts out at the bottom from everyone's eyes as well.

Burezu

I am quite surprised that you don't like the past life elements in this one, as they have been the best parts for me in the early episodes. I love that is is finally implemented into the story and it is dealt with in a realistic way, it also explains his character a lot.

Noctislolig
>>114802950

@Steven Hardy Just to repeat your statement before I comment on it. You said: "Murder is generally used as a vehicle for drama, plot, or tension. Sexualizing children, in the case of this show, is used for certain viewer's gratification. It's not being used as a vehicle for the narrative." - This is completely wrong. It is undoubtedly used as a narrative vehicle. Maybe the fact that you didn't realize it because you were too preoccupied with sexualizing children reflects more on you than on OP. Though I gotta' admit OP seems a little too passionate about this topic lol

Tom Boggess

give it some time the maid's part is coming

Dan Yang

The reason why mushoku tensei is my favorite isekai is because it does isekai right. Isekai is a gimmick in story telling to give the main character a second chance in life. That’s the whole concept of isekai. A lot of story for isekai are good but don’t necessarily pull it off correctly. This story is kinda like how a man who was bullied in his younger years, and gained trauma overcomes that very trauma. And of course how a man who was broken and immature eventually grows matures and becomes a better person than who he previously was. It’s a story about his very own redemption in a sense. As I said earlier this story is an isekai its about a second chance. Kinda like “if I did this long ago or didn’t do something, would my life be different; would it be better than it is now or not?” It’s this Kind of story. And a very well made one with progress and Whatnot. It’s also known as the grandfather of isekai,(mushoku tensei). A lot of isekai took something from this in one shape, element, way or form. Such as getting isekai’d via getting hit by a truck. This show was what started it. Of course the anime came out way later but I’m referring to its original source, light novel. Sorry for the rant, kinda just wanted to let you know some things and trivia about this. And maybe even fellow patreon viewers such as myself. I’m not gonna spoil but just stating what the story is doing. Of course it also has a story to tell too. Which is amazing.

Jerid Glasspoole

yeah, Rudy does not see Paul as his dad, more just a guy he lives with. Rudy thinks he is better than him as a person from a modern world than, his father.

Dorcusss

YOOO He's playing Guilty Gear XX at 18:05!!! My favorite fighting game!

Technosage

We have seen nothing of the maid --next episode

Arcade'owy Łowca

You know the show is too cheeky when its used as an example xD

HGK

Yay! Another video! Ah yes, I forgot where this anime is so focus on sexual stuff sometimes.