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What A Cartoon! - X-Men '97 "To Me, My X-Men" (Patreon)

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2024-08-05 04:00:02
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It's time for us to cover something recent that's also all about the 1990s: It's time for X-Men '97! Learn how the fan-favorite Marvel adaptation ended up as a Disney streaming series, and how many of the original people involved returned. Then we deconstruct the series premiere, with all the deep comic references properly explained. So hop in your Blackbird jet and listen now!

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Andrew O.

Watched the whole season over the weekend and the only thing I really can't stand is Rogue's voice.

Bradford A Barker

For comics recs, the Claremont/Byrne run starting with the Proteus Saga is the best. There are maybe three issues that are *not* Proteus, Dark Phoenix, or Days of Future Past. And one of those, the final, is a wonderful Alien-inspired classic, too. For more modern stuff, the spin-off series from the mid-2000s, X-Factor is one of my favorites. Uncanny X-Force by Remender and Opens is a really dark, operatic vision. I (correctly!) stayed away from the "Krakoa era" of X-Men which apparently started off strong but then stalled out and is now over.

Joe Hodgson

This show is pretty amazing. I don't want that to sound like hyperbole or that I'm selling this as a prestige TV show, but it really is incredible. I can't think of another TV show that did what X-Men 97 did. It's a direct continuation of a show that was made for kids in the 90s that aged up with its audience and continued where the kid's show left off. And it's actually good! That just blows my mind and it's a credit to basically all of the creatives involved, especially Beau DeMayo who seemed to have a real vision for what the show should be. I was approaching the premiere of this one with excitement, but also a great deal of trepidation and that trepidation was basically removed right from the start. I identify with Henry here. When Wolverine popped those claws it entered my mind where we were heading. I watched episode 9 basically just searching for an excuse for it to not happen, but deep down I knew it was coming and then it did. Fatal Attractions was almost traumatizing for me as a kid when I read it and I hated what happened to the character after it. It is the one thing that I wouldn't mind if it was just sped over. Very much looking forward to "Season Two." I hope that with DeMayo gone it doesn't lose its bite. I like how unsubtle the show is about real world allegories and I would love to see right wingers lose their god damned minds if something comes of the Morph/Wolverine tease. And also, yes, Cal Dodd is my forever Wolverine. He and Kevin Conroy are right up there as guys that will never have their voices replaced in my head when I read lines by Wolverine and Batman, respectively.

Riley Hall

Not only was I happy to see they managed to retain the soul of the old show, but I was psyched to see my 10 year old daughter get into it as well. We've watched a lot of great shows together. Like Avatar, Korra, the Netflix She Ra, and now Xmen. Cartoons are something we bond over, so 97 has the extra value to me. Her favorite character is Rogue btw.

John Halski

(Hans Moleman voice): “I wanted Eternals…”

Royce A Murray

When Henry brought up how the phrase "Cry Me a River" has changed for him now a days , I thought he was going to bring up the incident that happened at last years AEW PPV "All In".

Dylan (batmanboy11) Freitag

This show is way better than it had any reason to be, but much like Spider-Man: No Way Home, I fear that the people making money off of it learned the wrong lessons from its success, and will just double-down on nostalgia and revivals, rather than getting people who actually understand & love the characters to shepherd them, and to SPEND MONEY ON ANIMATION. -- Incidentally, since Henry brought up Bolivar Trask being played by Peter Dinklage, I'd like to point out he was ALSO played by Bill Duke in The Last Stand. Both versions of the character are shitty adaptations (Duke's is pro-Mutant and a friend of Hank McCoy, and Dinklage's says in a soliloquy that he doesn't hate mutants, he *admires them* as opposed to just being an actual goddamn biggot who thinks they're disgusting) and really reflect Fox's stance of WE NEED TO REFERENCE STUFF SO FANS CAN POINT TO THE SCREEN AND GO 'I KNOW THAT THING' without actually translating the important core of the character and their relationships.

That Guy, Joe

So I picked X-Men up recently starting in the marvel now era. This line was called, "All New X-Men" then eventually "X-Men Blue" This puts you on a pretty steady pace to Krakoa era with minimal reading deviation.

Covey M.

Does anyone remember the "hoodwinked too" line of McDonald's toys, it feels like they came out 2 years before the movie did. I remember that I had not even known that there was going to be a hoowinked sequel when I saw those McDonald's commercials

SilkiePJ

Speaking to an industry friend of mine, it's very likely that Beau DeMayo was probably let go from Disney because of financial disputes. The reasoning for this claim is that if DeMayo were involved in anything scandalous or too harmful to Disney's brand, they likely would have tossed away all of his work from X-Men 97 and tried to scrub his name off of the show. Beau and Disney have both been promoting the show and Disney even scored a nomination for Outstanding Animated Program with X-Men '97's episode "Remember It". Considering what the WGA and IATSE have gone through in recent years regarding minimized writer's rooms, split-TV-seasons, Disney's history of low-balling returning talent, it would not surprise me if Beau was not getting the money he deserved for the show. (Reminder: Animation TV writers are covered by TAG, not WGA) And generally in Hollywood, if the conflict is centered around money, it is best to not talk about it publicly and treat it as a non-disparagement clause, which both parties seem to be following. You can take this as conjecture or speculation, but I do think it's very believable. I give all the credit to this show because it would have been so easy to turn it into cheap nostalgia bait, but Beau and his team really made something so incredible that has re-invigorated our love for superhero media in the current doldrums of live action films. And Bob/Henry's deep dive of how the studio and show came together really proved that they made something special, by still using elements directly from the comics and more modern social commentary.

Kiefer Fulsom

Hey all so I put together an extensive but hopefully helpful list of X-men for anyone who’s curious. There’s a lot from throughout the years including both classic and modern as well as spin-offs but that’s also the beauty of it. As always a majority of these are collected digitally on Marvel Unlimited, but if you’re like me and want to go to physical route my recommendation would be either the Marvel Masterworks or the Marvel Epic Collection. The marvel masterworks are like archival editions, they’re hardback usually contains around 10-12 issues and are generally on the more pricey side, whereas the epic collection are paperbacks with usually anywhere between 18-23 issues for around $40-$60. Marvel is also good about reprinting and rereleasing epics. The epics not only span the marvel titles you know Like Iron Man, Dr Strange and the Avengers but also obscure ones like Marvel Two in One The Thing (I put that one in there for you Henry). I personally would recommend the epics first since for them they have the Classic X-men series under one title as opposed to the silver age being referred to as (adjective less) X-Men and then Claremont runs being branded as Uncanny (despite the fact that X-men doesn’t officially become Uncanny X-Men until part 2 of Days of Future Past. Now on to the X-men. First off if anyone wants to read the classic silver age Lee/Kirby adventures I’d recommend X-Men Epic Collection Vol 1: Children of the Atom. Out of all the silver age stories this is the one I’d recommend if you want to dive in, keep in mind it’s the 60’s and there’s a lot of dated material but there is a lot set up here for Claremont and other writers to use down the line, you can also just skip to the Claremont era if you like as well. Claremont’s era begins with giant Size X-men number 1 and continues in (Uncanny) X-Men 94 and continue on to Dark Phoenix & Days of Future Past. These are in Epics Vol 5-7. (Second Genesis, Proteus, & Fate of the Phoenix.) Uncanny X-Men 150 (Epic 8: I, Magento) great issue where Magento and the x-Men fight as enemies before the Jim Lee relaunch. A must read IMO. Uncanny 160 + the Magik miniseries: the origin of Magik (TPB: Magik: Storm and Illyanna) X-Men: God Loves, Man Kills the basis for X2: X-Men United. (Note: there’s an “extended edition” released recently that just adds a framing device. This version is not necessary). Uncanny 168-175 there’s a lot in this I’d recommend, Kitty Pryde being sensible, Storm vs the Morlocks, Rogue joins the team, and the debut of Punk Storm as well as the introduction of Madelyne Pryor and her Scott’s relationship. (TPB X-Men From the Ashes). Uncanny X-Men 200 & 201 are mentioned throughout the pod and honestly they’re probably 2 of my all time fav issues, 200 is the Trial of Magneto, with 201 being about (depowered punk) Storm battling Cyclops in the Danger room for leadership of the X-Men (and it’s soooo good y’all). These issues haven’t been collected yet in epic collection but they currently can be found in the TPB X-Men: Ghosts, the Uncanny X-Men Omnibus vol 5, or Marvel Masterworks Vol 12 & 13 respectively. Mutant Massacre This is probably one of the best X-Men stories ever, the Morlocks are attacked and killed by a group called the Marauders and the X-Men intervene, this event also would fracture the group as we know it. X-Tinction Agenda Probably the last crossover with the x-titles before Claremont’s departure and the relaunch in the 90’s. Definitely worth the read in this day and age about the state owning living beings as property. I haven’t read much of the 90’s stuff yet but I would recommend Age of Apocalypse it’s a great epic about an alternate timeline where Apocalypse rules. As far as modern reading goes obviously Grant Morrison’s run on New X-Men 114-154, the highlight of course being E is for Extinction (which just got a reprint as of this post) Astonishing X-Men by Whedon & Cassidy Yes THAT director wrote this run on X-men that being said I think the art style in this is beautiful and really was able to bring the look of the X-men into the mid 2000’s. House of M. crossover with the Avengers, if you’re familiar with WandaVision and the character Scarlet Witch you’ve likely heard this storyline mentioned lately. I’m also going to throw in what got me back into X-Men the 2019 soft reboot House of X/ Powers of X by writer Jonathan Hickman. Oh boy, this one is probably my top 3 pick it’s a high concept story about how the Mutant Island nation of Krakoa was created by Professor X, Magento, and in the background Moira McTagert. It also would open a new status quo for the X-men with both Krakoa and mutant resurrection, as well as Krakoa being a safe haven for all mutants good and bad (and yes they do explore extensively what that means and the implications.) Following HoxPox I’d also recommend from the Krakoan era X-Men (2019) by Jonathon Hickman S.W.O.R.D. & X-Men Red by Al Ewing Seriously this has some gorgeous art as well as Storm leading a band of mutants on Mars (yes they took over Mars) with Sunspot & Magento. Immortal X-Men by Kieron Gillen About the ruling council of Krakoa with each issues having a spotlight or a POV member of the Krakoan Quiet Council (who are the mutant leaders of Krakoa). We also find out why it’s a bad idea to put Mister Sinister on the council. Sins of Sinister Remember Age of Apocalypse? Will this like that but on a galactic scale, Mister takes over the ENTIRE marvel universe both earth and the cosmos and it quickly (as well as over the course of a thousand years) evolves into chaos and eldritch cosmic horror. And finally X-Terminators by Leah Williams. This is a miniseries that has nothing to do with the main X-Men line but it’s honestly some real stupid fun I love every now and then. The plot is Dazzler, Jubilee, Boom-boom, & X-23 are kidnapped by Dazzlers ex boyfriend who is actually the grandson of Dracula so they’re in a grind house full of Vampires. It’s fun and silly. Marvel also did another relaunch of the X-line as of July 2024. They’re so if you’re new and know nothing you can dive right In. Personally I’m loving Uncanny X-Men by Gail Simone and excited for Exceptional X-Men by Eve Ewing. There’s also (last ones I promise) Peach Momoko’s work on X-Men, she’s a Japanese artist & writer who’s done countless variant covers for Marvel in the past few years as well as incorporating Japanese lore and folktale as well. (I’m hoping Nina enjoys this). X-Men: Demon Days & Demon wars as well as the recently launched ongoing Ultimate X-Men that incorporates a lot of Japanese horror as well. (Also Henry, I can confirm your bouncing blue bearish beast from the Avengers/Defenders days is back in X-Men, and not the one from X-Force.)

Dave Nelson

I guess I should have watched the WHOLE season instead of just the first episode. Oopsies, I guess that one's on me 😅

Mike Mariano

I’ve only listened to the first half of this episode but it convinced me to watch. X-Men 97 really is well done. I wonder what actual children would make of this show vs. aging 90s kids?