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The Age of the Carrier (Patreon)

Published:
2021-05-05 14:51:09
Imported:
2023-06

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This week the first carrier against carrier battle in history takes place. For the first time, two strike forces separated by dozens of kilometres launch attacks on one another using aircraft rather than heavy naval guns. As the attack on Pearl Harbour around half a year ago showed, heavy battleships are now completely antiquated. This week's Battle of the Coral Sea is just another example of what the future of naval warfare has in store. 

It also begs the question: what is as antiquated today as battleships were then? What is the "next" aircraft carrier to our battleship? Is it true, as some suggest, that naval power all together is now irrelevant? What do you think?

Also this week, at the Kerch peninsula by Crimea on the Black Sea, the German military launches their first fresh offensive of the year. While the Soviet forces have certainly demonstrated they remain a capable fighting force, the use of aircraft on land, much like at sea, has allowed for Germany to throw the Soviet forces at Kerch into disarray. 

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141 - Carrier vs. Carrier - The Battle of Coral Sea - WW2 - May 9, 1942

This week sees a major clash between the naval forces of the Japanese and the Allies. Both sides take big damage, though on the tactical level it is a victory for the Japanese. Operationally, however, they must postpone their attacks towards Port Moresby. They are busy making plans all the while, though, for their upcoming attack against Midway Atoll in the Central Pacific. They also finally have success ending an offensive this week with the conquest of the Philippines when Corregidor falls. Japan's ally Germany begins an offensive of their own this week on the Kerch Peninsula. The Allies, for their part, launch an offensive of their own this week against Vichy French-held Madagascar, and they take the main port, Diego Suarez. Join us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/TimeGhostHistory Or join The TimeGhost Army directly at: https://timeghost.tv Check out our TimeGhost History YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/timeghost?sub_confirmation=1 Get Collectibles here: https://timeghost.tv/collectibles/ Follow WW2 day by day on Instagram @ww2_day_by_day -https://www.instagram.com/ww2_day_by_day/ Like us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/TimeGhostHistory/ Between 2 Wars: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLrG5J-K5AYAU1R-HeWSfY2D1jy_sEssNG Source list: http://bit.ly/WW2sources Written and Hosted by: Indy Neidell Director: Astrid Deinhard Producers: Astrid Deinhard and Spartacus Olsson Executive Producers: Astrid Deinhard, Indy Neidell, Spartacus Olsson, Bodo Rittenauer Creative Producer: Maria Kyhle Post-Production Director: Wieke Kapteijns Research by: Indy Neidell Edited by: Iryna Dulka Sound design: Marek Kamiński Map animations: Eastory (https://www.youtube.com/c/eastory) Colorizations by: - Daniel Weiss - Mikołaj Uchman - Norman Stewart - https://oldtimesincolor.blogspot.com/ - Dememorabilia - https://www.instagram.com/dememorabilia/ Sources: - IWM A 9471 - Narodowe Muzeum Cyfrowe Soundtracks from the Epidemic Sound: - Rannar Sillard - Easy Target - Jo Wandrini - Dragon King - Jo Wandrini - To War! - Fabien Tell - Last Point of Safe Return - Brightarm Orchestra - On the Edge of Change - Reynard Seidel - Rush of Blood - Craft Case - Secret Cargo - Gunnar Johnsen - Not Safe Yet - Edward Karl Hanson - Spellbound - Johan Hynynen - One More Thought - Rannar Sillard - March Of The Brave 4 - Johan Hynynen - Dark Beginning - Phoenix Tail - At the Front Archive by Screenocean/Reuters https://www.screenocean.com. A TimeGhost chronological documentary produced by OnLion Entertainment GmbH.

Comments

Marc Steenbergen Netherlands

Yeah, I wish we had Brian Blessed and his Hawk men joining the fray as well. Scratch more flattops https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4nS9IbT-uk

Anonymous

It still remains unclear why Japan didn’t take Moresby. The coast was clear. A rare loss of nerve that changed the war’s course.

Anonymous

It's good to see my cousin finally getting a mention

Anonymous

Thanks for another exciting episode.

Anonymous

Hey Indy, and team. Another great episode. And I’ll go out on a limb, here, and take a guess that we’ll be hearing American air crews radioing “Scratch One Flat-Top” in some coming weeks. Just a hunch.

Anonymous

You guys do an admirable job of integrating the non European side of the war, and avoiding eurocentrism. That said, only describing the second retreat from Burma through Stilwell's march of 114 people and not the 25,000 Chinese troops under his command which he has abandoned seems like "1 American >tens of thousands of Chinese troops”. Maybe the whole “abandoning his command and going AWOL, leaving 3 armies to make their way back through hostile country and not telling his commanding officer” will be explored in a future episode, but it seems like you just wrote the retreat of the largest allied force in Burma out of the narrative.

Anonymous

Hi team, I just wanted to point out that the thumbnail says the 9th, but this Saturday is the 8th. A few of the other recent episodes are like this as well, and I was curious if that was intentional or not.

Ted Jones

Looking forward to Midway. You set that up so well talking about the 1st and 2nd Carrier Division officers at Pearl Harbor. The 2nd Carrier Division in particular is the important story that people outside Japan aren't very familiar with.

Anonymous
>>59216054

The IJN frequently lost its nerve. Mikawa could have destroyed the transports at Lunga point after the Battle of Savo Island. A group of USN DD's and DE's held off a TF of Japanese BB's and CA's at Samar.

Anonymous
>>59216054

true. Now we can prepare to discuss why Yamamoto was allowed to continue with the ridiculous Midway misadventure (and the Aleutian non-starter).

Anonymous

So Shokaku was be damaged and will be unable to take part in operations in the near future and Zuikaku's air groups were depleted and she will not be available either. This will have consequences. As to your question about battleships- the USN's battleships are WW I vintage- they are big slow targets and the North Carolina Class BB's won't be available until much later in the year. So the USN has limited choices- CV's (carriers) and submarines. Important point to consider- Nimitz himself was a former submariner and understands how best to use them.

Anonymous

Naval power is not irrelevant. You can’t deliver food, weapons, personnel in the same numbers by air as you can by sea. So the navy is still very relevant. Personally I’ve long believed that Australia has handicapped itself by not turning its navy in a submarine and aircraft carrier and light carrier (helicopter carriers) With light cruisers and troop transports. Australia is a huge place and the only way we could defend ourselves in the event of an invasion would be to sink them all at sea, once they’re ashore despite the immensely high quality training our troops receive numbers and space would tell and a guerrilla insurgency would be all we have left. The only thing that could replace aircraft-carriers would Star Wars like battle fleets.....although they’d still be ozone bound in any immediate future.

Minion
>>59237664

I suspect that the International Date Line is coming into play. Tis currently Thursday the 6th of May here Down Under.

JM

But can't carriers just be destroyed at will, by a couple of hypersonic land-based missiles? That's the message coming out of Beijing.

JM
>>59243303

Well, there's also the fact that the US and Britain would nuke whoever attacked you...

Anonymous
>>59249484

That is also the conclusion of a number of recent analyses.

Anonymous
>>59243191

Except the torpedos the US is using right now is the early MK14. They might as well be throwing rocks.

Anonymous

I joined the USN in the early 80s. We had so many VIPs from the Pacific war speak at events. So many were left. It was mesmerizing. I struck DC and we got to study the damage and heroic work it took to keep our ship on top of the ocean . I wound up due to the need of the Navy becoming a SEABEE. Miss the Navy, USN RET

JM
>>59249484

I think targeting is the biggest problem. China doesn't have real-time satellite feeds of target location or movement to update the missile in flight, so it would need subs or spy trawlers in the terminal area to lase the carrier, and those can be dealt with. Or the missile would need some kind of on-board, fire-and-forget, image recognition system that can take command when the missile nears the ship's last known position. Tall order. Plus "hypersonic" doesn't mean "bulletproof". And they'll only get one shot unless the launchers are invisible.

Anonymous
>>59243191

only until September, 1943. Then the Japanese merchant marine will go "bye-bye".

Anonymous
>>59216054

About Mikawa at Savo Island. He had no idea that the US carriers had been withdrawn that afternoon. For all he knew, the carriers were still nearby and would have destroyed his force as it was withdrawing as soon as it was bright enough.

Stéphane Adam
>>59249484

Indeed, and hypersonic missles can't loiter, so you need to have a VERY accurate read on the Carrier's position. It's easy to know where the darn ship was two hours ago, but by that time the zone where the carrier could actually be is around 6000 square miles.

JM
>>59249484

Could they remotely pilot the thing? Or is Mach 5 too fast for that?