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Collateral - Patreon Version (Patreon)

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2023-05-20 12:00:03
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2023-05

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Collateral - Patreon Version

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JediLounger

Unless I am mistaken, this is your introduction to Michael Mann. I concur with others, Heat (1995) is incredible. I also suggest Last of the Mohicans (1992).

Queen of Farts

HEEEEEAAAAATTTT!!!! (Heat)

djKENTO

About the look of the film. Huge chunks of the room were shot on digital and then put to film. So you’re seeing digital with film grain from the negative that was used to produce the projector version. You can tell mostly in the car when the skin smooths out and you no longer see pores. It also let them shoot in extreme low light conditions and get that natural LA haze that comes late at night and the street lights reflect off the bottom of the cloud cover. Oh also they put the lighting panels for old cellphones and put them in the cab’s roof lining to light the inside of the car. Michael Mann got obsessed with digital cameras and the way they don’t hide anything. He shot a mobster movie with Johnny Depp after and it feels so wrong cuz it’s guys with Tommy guns but looks like a YouTube video.

JayF

Do Canadians know Miles Davis as Kilometer Davis?

Odd Thomas

Re: the digital thing; 2004 was still pretty early for digital 'film' cameras so it looks a little off compared to more modern cameras which are largely indistinguishable from real film.

Anonymous

When you asked "Where do I know this song?" you recognise it because it was used in The Bourne Identity, I think it was for the car chase in a Mini scene. So yes, that scene was indeed very Jason Bourne-y :D

Joe D. MacGuffinstuff

Yes! So here for this, I think I forgot this was on a poll and recommended it, and said something like Collateral is to Tom Cruise as Training Day is to Denzel, just Tom Cruise like you've never seen him, and between this and Born On The Fourth Of July you really see that Tom Cruise IS an amazing actor with so much range, and not just a stunt man/celebrity etc.,etc. Echoing the other comments, yep, HEAT is incredible, Heat and Last of the Mohicans are among my absolute favorite movies and I hope they're both high on the watch list. Both of them are so good and, no spoilers, but each has several scenes that are so cinematically badass, for lack of a better word, that I've watched them over and over.

djKENTO

The song you recognized is Ready Steady Go by Paul Oakenfold. It was in The Bourne Identity during the car chase. This version has the words swapped out for Korean since it’s a Korean club. It is also in DDR Ultramix.

Ph4ZeD

Simone: Michael Mann directed Heat and The Insider, two of the best films of the 90s! Hopefully you will react to those too one day!

David Martin

I can't remember the last time I saw an axe in an office building, at least in a public area, but movies continue to use it like it's the most normal thing in the world.

W T
>>108937717

Edit: lol never mind that, there definitely is a shitton of CCD blur to it. I definitely think it works in tandem with what I said, but there is some digitalness to it for sure. No idea whether it was introduced after the fact, might very well be atrocious HD mastering. This is just a hunch I had way, way back: Michael Mann loves shooting on long lenses, right? There are so many shots that are just punching in on subjects from afar, which exaggerates perspective shenanigans such that it (imho) could definitely be confused for overcranked footage... which kind of is how, say, the soap opera effect manifests itself. You definitely can emulate visual artifacts of (fairly) naive interpolation algos in a more "analog" fashion, I don't think we see a lot of digital stuff here, honestly. As far as I am concerned, high framerate as being a detrimental aspect of modern, rather experimental filmmaking is a meme perpetuated by folks who wouldn't know better - fair enough too, I guess. Not that regular framerates and traditional film as a medium don't work near perfectly today as they did a century ago, but for any given new approach and trick, for all of which The Hobbit (to name one of countless movies) was a huge technical pioneer in many regards, there are endless of examples where the tech was refined to a point where it made all the scrunginess and crustiness beforehand worth the effort... especially when there are ways to emulate the low-fi feel of the worse aspects of digital composition, VFX, or whatever. I mean, ultimately, it's always a matter of time. People love, looove comparing 12 miniatures built in 36 months against fluid sims coupled to mass crow sims leveraging post-2021 4000x speedups, rendered - of course - in 27 minutes, on a slightly beefed-up panini press no less. It's just difficult for audiences to grasp how insanely different the two franchises have been production-wise, and not for a lack of clever art- and scientists. Here's me ranting, but I don't think most of the digital feel is actually digital in this movie, just something Mann's preferences forced into existence.

Magnificent Gojira

Never could understand why Jada Pinkett character needed to be assassinated. She didn't witness to anything, the case is already ruined, just the movie logic. Mann's great stylist and has a lot of interesting films but no favorites for me, unfortunately. Maybe Manhunter. Heat was just about De Niro and Pacino exhaustingly comparing whos' got a bigger dick for three hours. Looks nice though as always.

Young Blood Priest

Great reaction and I’m glad you both liked. I actually like Collateral better than heat. Please don’t come at me it’s just my opinion.

Daniel Popp
>>108944897

I've seen them. They're not super common, but they're there. The idea is to provide a tool in case of an emergency like a building fire.

Daniel Popp
>>108949788

A warning to other prosecutors through fear. Pursue the drug lord Felix, and you'll end up like the last prosecutor. Basic terror tactics employed by cartels.

Persnickity

This movie is really good. I like how Vincent is both the antagonist and the mentor to Max. Usually the trope would be the mentor betrays and was the bad guy the whole time. Instead Vincent is the bad guy early and teaches Max how to defeat him

Ginger

Btw. if you want to see a movie that's basically just taxi driving, I recommend "Night On Earth", a beautiful, philosophical film. "It is a collection of five vignettes, taking place during the same night, concerning the temporary bond formed between taxi driver and passenger in five cities." (Wikipedia)

Logan Kerlee

Enjoyed the reaction! I remember watching this years ago and enjoying it. Wasn't super hyped for it then and I'm still not. I just enjoyed the way this was shot. Tom Cruise's character was obviously a villain but he wasn't an absolutely awful dude. Yes, he killed people but he didn't take pleasure in that. Then again, we didn't have very much of any background on the character or why he did what he did. This could've been a completely good guy, killing terrible people. I mean, hell, Annie may've been a terrible woman. We had her in the cab briefly then we got Cruise's character shortly after. Jamie Fox was did a great job playing his role! I liked him quite a bit. Michael Mann has directed some great films! I recommend that we watch Heat sometime on here! That one's pretty grim but also really cool.

Tim T—

nthing Heat, but you should also schedule Ronin (1998) for sometimes in the near future.

Tyler Foster
>>108961845

Ronin in turn suggests The French Connection, which then leads to To Live and Die in L.A.

Anonymous

Michael Mann definitely has a very distinctive style. This was still early in the era of digital cinema cameras, and Mann wanted to create a unique digital look rather than just try to make it emulate film. As good as this film is, it’s just an appetizer for Mann’s 1995 masterpiece Heat, which I definitely hope you guys watch soon.

FranciscoGios

One of my favorites other than Heat and Collateral from Micheal Mann are The Last of the Mohicans(Daniel Day-Lewis) & Public Enemies(Johnny Depp & Christian Bale).

Steve H

Remember Zombie land? they forgot the Douple-tap rule

Martin Nicholls

The whole thing is a biut of a love letter to LA - which is kinda funny, it makes me think of Bosch which also is, which Barry Shabaka Henley who plays the jazz club owner that Vincent kills is in as a side character and jazz is a big feature in that show. Michael Mann worked with Jamie Foxx again on Miami Vice which whilst being no Shakespeare I have distinct memories of it being entertaining. It's a shame about Jamie Foxx, as far as I heard it's not looking good, but then if you have the sort of wealth he has you can buy the best medical treatment available maybe you have a chance - but it's not looking good, and that's a shame. On the "grain" thing, early pro digital camera CCD noise is all, particularly when you consider a lot of cameras used in this are either small or handheld and it's shot at night. I've never looked into this but it seems like it could have been shot almost in it's entirety across like a week, I bet there wasn't a whole lot of second takes.

Christopher

The Song in the club is the same one used in the car chase in the Borne Identity that's why it sounded familiar

Steve Mercier

Vincent helped Max to grow and change. What makes his death kind of sad, in spite of the fact that he's a villain, and certainly doesn't want to die, is that part of Vincent actually wants Max to grow and change.

Astraeos
>>108960538

I would love for somebody to watch Night On Earth, but it'll never ever happen lol. Even though its gotta pretty strong cast, I doubt any reaction channel will ever watch something as "artsy" as that movie is. Its an amazing movie, a must see I think. But yeah. Those kinds of movies never get any attention.

akaTheBARON

🖤Well you know what they say, George. The real collateral is the friends we made along the way... :) Movie recommendation I just randomly thought of while watching this. "Crash" from 2004. 6 academy Award nominations, won 3 including best picture. Hella cast for days too. Don Cheadle, Sandra Bullock, Brendan Fraser, Michael Pena, Terrence Howard, & William Fichtner are just a few, but there is a lot of great talent in it. Even actors that aren't quite recognizable by name but they're "Yes! I've seen them in such and such, they're good!" level famous LOL. Such a great story too! For sure would be a home run reaction from you two me thinketh.

Gary Fixler

I can confirm that LA is surrounded by hills full of coyotes (and also bobcats and mountain lions), and they venture into the city. I've seen them in busy areas like in the film, but especially living in the hillier, quieter areas, you'll just have a standoff with a small pack in the middle of the road, all staring at you curiously, before they take off again. They steal people's pets :( They will also just start howling, which is more like a bunch of yipping, and it's super creepy and awesome. And yes, it's pronounced both ways, but I hear the Wyle E. version George knows way more often, and think of the "yoat" version as more a southern/rural pronunciation.

Astraeos

In terms of the symbolism of the Coyote, I thought that was pretty obvious. Tom Cruise's character is a predator in the city. The Coyote they came across is also a predator in the city. I don't wanna sound like an ass lol, but I thought that was definitely pretty straightforward.

Anonymous

Michael Mann loves making films about "competent people doing competent things". One of my favorite directors. Heat (1995) and The Insider (1999) are also both excellent.

REDR58

To add to the chorus, go watch "Heat" next.

beefjerkywizard

I'm hoping Ali and Heat get added to the list

PIG
>>108972853

Yeah Insider remains as one of my top 10 movies of all times. Heat is incredible too.

Anonymous

Thanks for doing this one! I love Michael Mann's films. They aren't everyone's cup of tea, but this one has pretty broad appeal.

Naijeru

I suggest a poll of Michael Mann movies.

Chris H.

As others have said, welcome to the wonderful, weird world of Michael Mann movies. But my suggestion for you would be the first movie with Hannibal Lecter as a character, Manhunter. It was a box office dud on release, but Manhunter has grown in stature in the years since and I think it might be a better Lecter movie than Silence of the Lambs.

Anonymous

That idea of an action movie that you were talking about in the end - one in which a competent assassin faces off against a competent cop - is basically 1997's "The Jackal"'. It has Bruce Willis, Richard Gere and young Jack Black in it.

DuplicitousDuck

For the sake of more Tom Cruise running lore, I have to suggest Minority Report (2002). It's my permanent headcanon as the reason he's always running. For my own sake, I'd love to see Inside Man (2006) get a chance.

Anonymous

George, you know the club music in Collateral from Bourne Identity where they use the same music in the Paris car chase.