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King Crimson: Discipline - Extended Play Lounge (Episode 28) (Patreon)

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2022-09-21 00:35:33
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2023-05

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In this latest episode, we return to King Crimson for the third time in the Extended Play Lounge with their 1981 album Discipline. I previously listened to 'In the Court of the Crimson King' (Ep. 3) and 'Red' (Ep. 11). 

I also previously dissected the title track in our Behind the Score series (Ep. 18).

For this album, I took time for an extended read-in, which did include score study. I refrained from listening to the recording until filming, but I was relatively familiar with the scores after several hours of study. The read-in paid off, as I was able to squeeze quite a bit out of this remarkable and dense music. I hope you enjoy this episode!

Unlisted Vimeo Link: https://vimeo.com/751902449/2d5add52a0

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Comments

braaap

ive never seen the sheets to this, that was awesome. counting along to discipline is a lot of fun lol

braaap

larks tongue when? :D

George Davis-Stewart

An interesting and entertaining appraisal. Thank you. Always a mesmerising album in which The Sheltering Sky holds prime position for me.

Steve Hartke

Doug, please give the Phillip Glass Violin Concerto a try… The patterns and the melodies weave in and out of each other… and the second movement is absolutely sublime…

Robert Thornton

This was my first King Crimson album to buy. I immediately followed it up with Three of a Perfect Pair

MintedMD

When I first heard Discipline and Frame by Frame, I had no idea that there were two guitars in the band; I figured it was one guitarist doing all this crazy stuff. Once I watched live versions, I could not believe it. Watching you break down those two songs is truly amazing.

Martin Broten

I remember buying this album when it came out. It was definitely different from any KC (or anything really) that I had heard before. But I don't remember being overcome by its complexity. I just remember really liking it. In fact the song "Discipline", even given all it's complexity, is almost danceable after the drums come in. I did get to see the band on this tour. It was a like a completely new band. They only did maybe one or two old KC songs live. Nice work, Doug. Thanks for putting in the work. It's fascinating to follow along. I would also be interested in Doug's reaction to the more complex minimalist music. I'm thinking of the Phillip Glass operas. I personally love "Einstein On The Beach" but can understand how it might not be everyone's cup of tea.

Dave Brockis

That was really interesting. However, the whole way through, I couldn't help thinking that I'd rather be listening to Talking Heads.

Max Eliaser

Larks' Tongues in Aspic next!

Joseph Riordan

Is Beat and Three Of A Perfect Pair next?

MrWondrous David Beckwith

Not just hearing, but deeply listening to King Crimson, is one of the better reasons to join your Patreon. I had heretofore only deep knowledge of Red and earlier works, with only a passing familiarity of all that came after, except "Thela Hun Ginjeet", "One Time" and a few others here and there. But your guided tour of the music was delightful and informative. You abilities are most impressive and helpful to us laymen brothers. In defense of Reich und Glass, et. al. I would submit that one needs to watch it performed to appreciate the raga-like, life-like, growth of the works. I've met both, and they are nice chums. Steve a little more intense, and strangely Charles Boyer-looking up close. His personal advice to a composer was "Get it played." I saw Steve's "Music for 18 Musicians" at Sanders Theatre, and when it came to its ever-quieter conclusion, there was a full minute of perfect silence. Punctuated by a single clap, then ROAR. It was preternatural. Elegant. Sublime. Glass' "Satyagraha", which its rising Phrygian melody, is most hopeful and stuff like that. "I digress. Cough! My bad. Great great review. Every song was a masterpiece of the first water. ~db wondrous

Greg Magsaysay

There was an episode of ABC's Fridays where they played Elephant Talk and Thela Hun Ginjeet and I remember being mesmerized and I never turned back. I saw them in '84 touring the Three of Perfect Pair album and live they were just incredible. The next year, while attending University of Illinois in Urbana/Champaign, (Adrian lived there at the time), I found out that they were rehearsing there prior to my arrival and one of my roommate's friends was in a record store rummaging around and he literally bumped into Robert Fripp. Adrian later formed a band called the Bears and they routinely played down there when I was in school and my friends and I would go to the second shows every appearance and would talk with Adrian before the start of our show. He was the nicest guy you could ever meet and to think that he played with Bowie, Zappa, Heads, Fripp it was amazing how down to earth he was. Oh, and the celtic knot is the perfect icon for the album cover, it visually represents what's happening in the music, especially in Discipline. Anyway, I loved this deep dive, I hope you dig into Beat and Three of Perfect Pair.

Anonymous

I found a lot of it very Talking Heads like Especially the Remain in Light album A fun listen thanks

Anonymous

A little detail that wasn't mentioned in the discussion of the polyrhythms in "Indiscipline" is that while Fripp and Belew play in 15/8 and 12/8 respectively, from bar 17 Levin is doing *both* - 15/8 in the left hand and 12/8 in the right. (Thoughts of it being an overdub are put to bed by this live version: https://youtu.be/lnGD8RI0kGQ )

grnmntl
>>93467559

Thanks for that link. One of my favorite bassists. He can do anything!

John Clark

Next time, please, Larks Tongues' in Aspic.