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Constellation, Episode 5 | Pizza, Falling in Love, Kid Money, War (Patreon)

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2023-02-08 17:00:06
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Welcome -- one and all! -- to another episode of our conversational podcast, Constellation. This week, the Brothers Moriarty are joined by Last Stand's duo of producers, Dustin Furman and Ben Smith. Dustin tells us the tale of how he fell in love with his wife, and wonders how and when we knew we knew we loved our significant others. Ben asks about so-called 'kid money', or the cash young people earn and spend. How did we raise funds as children and teens, and how do we feel about the ever-growing economic power of kids? Dagan's topic is nitty and gritty: Pizza! Geographic specificity, topping choices, snootiness. The whole deal. And finally, Colin wants to talk about war, and an American society that seems to find itself militarily-engaged once a generation as if history never happened at all. Should we fear the repercussions of prolonging, escalating, and facilitating a conflict that has nothing to do with us?

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Dog Soup

Getting pocket money from my dad growing up was so funny. He said he would pay me monthly and give me £20. However when I received my money it was more like £17. The reason for the deduction according to him was because of tax and it's something I had to get used to. Felt harsh then but it set me up to be good with money.

Jose Horrach

3 minutes in and Dustin used the term cheugy unironically and that made my soul hurt.

Phil Walker

Ben you are a legend. Kids 100% need education in the worth of money.

Trapgunner

Dustin brought up the Dark Knight Rises being filmed in Pittsburgh and it compelled me to comment with a sad tale from that day. I was one of the souls there as an extra. It was miserable because of the sweltering heat and wearing a sweater and leather jacket. Between bits of filming they would raffle off prizes for the people in attendance as extras. Fast forward to the end of the day. I was in the bleachers far behind the person announcing the winning numbers for the various give aways. I was sitting near a mother and her daughter who asked me if I would like their raffle tickets since they were sick of being there and decided to leave. I took them but had faith that of winning anything...but about ten minutes later they announced the winning ticket to have a small speaking roll in the film. To my surprise... one of those tickets was the winning number. I screamed as loud as I could when they asked if anyone had the winning ticket. I was so far behind the person announcing that they never heard me. People sitting around me also tried to get attention..so I started running down to down the stairs only for them to give up and start reading off another number before I had a chance to get close enough for them to hear me.

InsufficientWzrD

Pizza and War.. my two favorite topics 🤝🏼

Anonymous

America has been involved with the Ukraine for a long time. I went there way back in 2011 to train Ukrainian soldiers to become proficient with US weapon systems. We were able to spend a day exploring Odessa on our own and I found the people to be incredibly friendly. It is sad what has happened over there.

Travis B

Dagan the freaking mooch child

Biohacker

Shout out for DDDDUUUUVVVVVAAAAALLLL

Travis B

I don’t want to be told what toppings, and what parameters I can have for my pizza from a fucking Papa John’s enthusiast. Standdown Dustin.

Will Hahn

Colin, shoutout to Sprouts! Glad you mentioned it. They do make good sandwiches and I used to go there specifically for the Boar’s Head meat. Good shit.

Mavizzle

Hi fellas, I recently made the mistake of introducing an interview subject as being from Long Island rather than his home of Staten Island. I was met with a big "Noooo" he then explained to me how they are totally different places. I found this intriguing as I live on the outskirts of the SF Bay Area in a city called Brentwood. Whenever on vacation or interacting with people from out of state, I simply say I'm from San Francisco. I started doing this after receiving a confused look from a stripper in Las Vegas after telling her I was from Brentwood. Please do not tell my wife I was at the strip club. Your Friend, Mavizzle

Tonys_Always_Write

Question to Dustin: what about pineapple on pizza do you find so incredibly vile?

Michael Mashpotato

Shout out to my wife who I love to death. I am extremely lucky to have her in my life. As Ben said, it’s more then 50%. Sometimes it’s 90/10 or 75/25. You guys are awesome and I am sure your significant others are as well. I grew up in Williamsburg Brooklyn until I was 16 and the pizza there is phenomenal. I live in Allentown PA now and the pizza here is ass. I just finally found a good pizza joint recently and It only took 20 years 😂

Max Stahl

You echoed my own thoughts on Ukraine, Colin. I think that it's a noble thing to want to help Ukraine defend itself, since its people want to resist, but the conflict is being drawn out and resulting in more deaths. The longer the conflict rages on, the higher the spillover risk. If we had applied more diplomatic pressure to both Russia *and* Ukraine at the beginning of last year, many more people would still be alive. Nevertheless, a quicker conflict means fewer deaths and less spillover risk, regardless of who wins. Yes, the particular circumstances that may result in for Ukraine would be less than desirable for them, but that region has been dealing with turmoil for some time. Hardly anyone in the West understands that.

David D

On the Ukraine Topic, I’d like to think everyone is anti war, (except Putin ostensibly). I don’t think there’s any real clamouring by those who are the actual decision makers for American troops to be involved - if there are people suggesting that, I think they’re very mislead, Zelensky has even said that the Ukrainian army need the weapons, and not man power necessarily. One thing I will have to disagree on is this notion that the Ukraine conflict in particular has nothing to do with the US. Under the Budapest Memorandum signed in 1994, the US, UK and Russia all agreed to respect the territorial integrity and sovereignty of Ukraine in exchange for their surrender of nuclear arms. Of course one of those three didn’t respect them and maybe never has - so I feel like the US and UK may have a higher moral duty in this instance compared to other nations or conflicts, and I think UK has certainly played its part, America too. Ideally of course this would all be done peacefully, but it seems the Russian state (admittedly under a madman) is pushing it into a hotter and hotter conflict, people have spoken about potential peace deals previously, but some of the brokers of those deals (e.g. former Israeli PMs etc) have gone on record saying they don’t even think it would’ve lasted, and Russia has just repeatedly shown it doesn’t respect any sort of international law or order. It’s a tricky situation, but I think it differs from Iraq, the Ukrainian people are fighting valiantly for their freedom, and it’s very clear that they want this outside assistance, unlike the murkier vaguer Iraq and Afghanistan situations, not to say this isn’t also complex, but I think it’s in a different league. I appreciate what you said about the geopolitical game, so I won’t speak much about the benefits this could bring for America in terms of destabilising Russia, it is true that they’re a shadow of the Soviet Union and even former Russian incarnations, but that’s not to say they still haven’t acted in bad faith internationally, and I think turning a total blind eye could be a mistake. I will say though in all fairness - while I do appreciate America’s support of Ukraine, and the UK, I feel as a European (I’m Irish) that the EU as a whole should probably accelerate plans for some sort of common European defence, whether it’s militarily or in Ireland’s case, medical and humanitarian. Russia is certainly a more pressing threat for us across the pond compared to the US, and I personally fully support Ukraine’s accelerated entry into the EU. I could talk on this topic for hours, but I don’t want to inflame any tensions or cause any strife, I’m also aware that as a non-American it’s probably rich for me to pontificate on what the US should do or how NATO should work coming from a nation that’s not even a member. I just wanted to try and provide another layer to the discussion from another perspective, the ideal end is peace, but I don’t think Ukraine should have to sacrifice anything because of that - if Ukraine wants to join NATO or especially the EU, they should be free to do that, just as any other nation would be, and I hate to think Russia can hold them to ransom. My feelings on this are quite complex as you can tell by my diatribe which if you’ve read this far I appreciate - on the one hand I think the US is right to provide any aid it can to Ukraine, but I can understand the fatigue you’re feeling - we’re really in quite the conundrum! I think I’ve meandered long enough, I won’t take up anymore of your time and I don’t know if I’ve got any major thesis here, I just wanted to get my thoughts out there!

Drew Lee

Pizza Wars!

Ryan Zimm

I would love to know what places Dagan has been to. There are some fantastic pizza places in Philly, The Suburbs, and Trenton area. Delorenzos Tomato Pie (formerly in Trenton), Cesare's in Bristol, and countless others rival anything I've had in New York through the years

Ryan Zimm
>>101561169

And my hot take... if you fold your pizza...you don't like pizza. Order a Stromboli, you heretics

NeO JD

I lost it when Dagan mentioned he thought it was gonna be a topic on Kid Rock. 😄

Anthony Palerino

With all due respect, Minecraft is the REALEST game.

Brannon H

Good episode and well said on the last topic Colin. Also I'm going to Long Island for the first time next week for work so I finally get to try real pizza.

Anonymous

Loved Dustin’s falling in love topic this week. Got the warm fuzzies and so many reminders of the deep appreciation and lasting love my wife and I share. Like Dagan, I’ve been batting out of my league for a pretty long time now and it feels so good. Thanks for sharing your stories and being so personal.

Ryan Taylor

Aldi here in Australia is the bomb, it’s so much cheaper than the big supermarkets and it’s like entering bizarro world because everything is slightly off brand but looks the same! Great episode!

Mark Horner

Lunchables pizza is the best pizza.

Zack Fair

It was the Spanish who first held San Francisco, it came about from a Mission the Spanish put together called "Mission San Francisco de Asis"

Dylan Paulson

I have huge beef with Dagan talking shit on Philly pizza. Angelo's pizza in south philly and Joe's pizza on 16th st are fucking awesome

NotYurRealDad

The key to good pizza dough is the overnight cold ferment in the fridge.

Devlin England

New Haven pizza good, war bad

Anonymous

My go to pizza is a Pan pizza with Pepperoni, sausage, chicken, spinach, banana peppers, red peppers, jalapeños, oregano, and sea salt and pepper on top. If given the option, I want as many kinds of cheese as is available, and yes, I’m from California. In terms of the Ukrainian war, I feel very strongly about doing what we can to aid Ukraine because we won’t send in our troops. I took this stance when I found out that Russian soldiers raped women and children (both male and female) and mothers, while ignoring one child in the houses they committed these crimes in. When finished, would kill all members of said household, and told the ignored child that they were too ugly to be raped. We kept you alive to tell the rest of your people. Additionally, when Ukraine took back cities that were taken by Russia, the Ukrainian citizens were tied up, and executed by a bullet to the back of the head. The Russian soldiers would then tell someone in a household that was left alone that they had one hour to burry the bodies. If they were not back in their homes after an hour, they too would be killed by sniper. Often times, that hour marker was never reached. Finally, Russia has bombed civilian sectors, schools, and hospitals. They have essentially violated all rules of engagement we have come to know. Sure, the people being sent now aren’t exactly willing, but they are following orders. We had a símil sentiment with nazis and still held them accountable for their actions. I don’t know if you would have a good cases for a one to one comparison between Nazis and the Russian army, but I find it very difficult not to make that comparison. Should we be involved in this conflict? No, probably not. However, Russia shouldn’t have invaded, and they shouldn’t have committed the atrocities they have committed.

Cliff Boyd

My current favorite pizza is a stuffed crust pepperoni lovers pizza from Pizza Hut. I basically love all pizza, except Totino’s pizza after they changed the freaking recipe and ruined it. But I already wrote about that on the latest Sacred Symbols episode comment.

Anonymous

On the point about compromise I would be interested to know if giving up any parts of Alaska would be acceptable compromise in order to have a peaceful relationship with Russia or to settle grievances they have about lost lands. Or if there ever was another border dispute between America and Mexico, would giving up some land to Mexico be an acceptable compromise to make to avoid a war or settle the dispute so you can go back to being peaceful neighbours.

Drew Sleezer

Not sure how important this information is, but it was a question that was asked. Aldi and Trader Joe’s are only related that the founders are brothers. As far as I know they have no corporate relatio

Anastas Lyakh

Dagan is Last Stand Media Treasure, hope he'll see this message. Greetings from Ukraine.

James Buck

I generally feel if you can help, you should. But in all honesty the UK and USA just seem to makes things worse all the time, and I don't know about the US so much but the UK is not the place to be right now, the health care is diabolical, wages are insulting, the cost of living has risen to a point where a lot of families can't even heat their homes, our political figures are just embarrassing and a joke to the rest of the world, our morals as a country are in the pits. We have become a godless, weak, pathetic country. So who are we to stick out noses in around the world. We can't even look after ourselves.

Jason Hjartarson

I spent 05 in the desert, war sucks

TheMuff1nMon

Blaze pizza is the best chain pizza restaurant and it isn't even close. I say that as someone in New York. Delicious

Lou & Rei Loper

Rei and I actually got together officially over pizza. It wasn't even good pizza...but it was the best pizza I've ever had because that was the day I got the girl. Fast forward 8 years and we've been married just shy of 4 years and we celebrate both our wedding anniversary AND our Pizzaversary (Apr 27th and Oct 1st) every year. We were cheeseballs and even had Little Caesars at our wedding reception because of that, so that everyone could share in a little of that history. Note: we do NOT get Little Caesars for our anniversary though, we prefer real pizza whenever possible haha.

Lou & Rei Loper

Also I just wanted to say that I'm SO HAPPY that Constellation exists, it's easily my favorite of all of the podcasts that you guys bless us with. Great fucking topics (especially Ep5), great group for discussion, great tangents, and the length is what it is. (the best way to have a podcast imo)

Lou & Rei Loper

I firmly believe that NY Pizza is absolutely the best, I'd never argue that. HOWEVER....Dustin is dead wrong(!) and pineapple and bacon pizza is the fucking TRUTH! I only get it sometimes, but it's so delicious...especially with a nice thin crust. 👌