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Sacred Symbols+, Episode 182: Willing Participants in the Culture War (Patreon)

Published:
2022-04-19 16:01:05
Edited:
2022-04-28 15:55:44
Imported:
2022-09

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I (Colin) am very, very pleased to welcome my good friend David Jaffe to the show. For the uninitiated, Mr. Jaffe is the designer and director that brought you the likes of Twisted Metal and God of War, and these days, he's in what we might call semi-retirement, streaming on Twitch and making YouTube videos and sharing his wisdom. I invited Jaffe back to the show for a specific reason, though we go off on all sorts of tangents. Our main talk revolves around JK Rowling, Hogwarts Legacy, and the incoming poopstorm that will undoubtedly take over the industry this fall. As the father of a trans son, Jaffe has especially poignant insight into the reaction to the game, to Rowling, and how we might deal with this fiery front of the culture war in our own backyard. We also touch on a bunch of other issues, too, including a dive into the recent games we're playing, game pricing and the future of subscription services, the increasing plight of shameless fanboyism, and Jaffe's potential return to development. Did you know he turned down Tencent's offer to lead a $100 million AAA project? Now you do! Enjoy.

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Drewbuntu

I think you hit the most pertinent points. I respect how far you pushed the convo and Jaffey's willingness to engage. If his son goes on a date with a woman, does he feel required to tell her he's trans? Is the woman a transphobe if she doesn't want to be with a biological female / trans man with a surgically created penis? Are they "mean" or "wrong thinking"? You definitely mentioned these things and he didn't engage directly but I figured I'd echo the sentiment

Madsines

Loved this episode, such a great conversation. Jaffe nailed most of what he said in my opinion, although I admit I’m not very knowledgeable about sports so I’m sure the issue goes much deeper.

LastStandMedia
>>82512016

That's why I wanted to talk to him, specifically, because I know he'd want to engage and keep an open mind.

LastStandMedia
>>82528081

It goes deeper, and I don't even agree with him. But I don't think it's a point worth pursuing on our particular show.

Jeffrey Rommel

Terrific discussion, thanks Colin!

Anonymous

Awesome convo. I agreed with virtually everything Jaffe said but I loved the discourse.

Mark Whittington

Jaffes ideas about mixed gender sports are bizarre. Even some of the toughest women footballers would be destroyed by the average bloke the first time they go up in the box attacking or defending a corner.

Nygile Oliver

Seeing all the discussion about puberty blockers and such under this post despite Jaffe talking about his experience with his son tells me that the trans discussion happening is definitely more deeply rooted than just not being comfortable with trans people in certain spaces. I mean, I’m seeing people saying he’s a bad father for daring to respect his son as a trans person and going on the journey with him rather than shutting it down outright. That’s what a lot of people see in what JK has said, more so about invalidating trans people and transness as a concept rather than cautiousness. I mean, there’s not much evidence supporting that trans people are a danger to any spaces, at least not as much as the vice versa, where trans people are having legislations passed that outlaw being trans, or the many cases of assault and murder that trans folk have been the victim of. And While she hasn’t said anything outright transphobic, the meeting with aggressively anti-trans groups and supporting trans conversion therapy could definitely be enough for some folk to not want to support the game, even though she’s not directly working on it. I think if people are too bothered by that to play the game or view it with fair eyes, that’s reasonable, though I do agree it’s strange that media outlets as a whole aren’t covering it.

Nygile Oliver
>>82604607

Hope this was coherent since I’m speed typing at work, but whether or not I agree with you, Colin, it takes balls to have this conversation in the open and I appreciate you for speaking with someone connected to a trans person about it

Greg Hommel

This has definitely spawned an explosion of confused kids(all teenagers) looking for attention and sympathy turning to sexuality as their conflict. Also, if Jaffe’s idea of a “fair” sports world persists, there will be no women competing in sports. Every female athlete will be a trans female and that can absolutely not be something anyone considers “fair”.

Taylor kazemba

Women would never win in sports if we did it David’s way.

Tick Dickler

It seems like people use trans athletes a lot as an example. I don't have the answer for that, there are some people born women who have transitioned and have more musculature in common with men, and people born men who couldn't be pick out in a group of women. It feels like each case should be evaluated individually. But also, who gives a shit? How many trans athletes are actively trying to infiltrate and ruin the integrity of our sports teams? Also, it's like, a game. There's a lot of teens killing themselves. I hope they can get resources they need to get that their lives are valid. Feels like that's a more pressing political issue amongst the citizenry.

Greg Hommel
>>82712586

Brother, I agree and the last thing I want to do is interfere with anyone living their best life. That said, several women’s world records are held by trans athletes and that is an insult to women. Which is the only issue JK Rowling has spoken out on. They see it as having fought for a certain place society and sport, and now men have stepped in to say we can be better women than them too. I get it.

Anonymous

I like Jaffe but saying most people are transphobic if they don't agree with trans people in sports and that all genders should compete together is a real bad take. You have to be willfully ignorant of the biological differences between men and women to think that's not an issue. He says nobody cared about women's sports before but I'm willing to bet those women athletes care a hell of a lot, especially the women who are having their records and titles taken away from them. I'm sure it's also incredibly discouraging to even try to get into a sport or train for the Olympics if you know there's a record out there that's literally impossible to beat as a biological woman.

Greg Hommel

I mention this only as a way to get some less tolerant people to calm down and take away a low hanging fruit for them to attack. I have an issue with the term “assigned at birth”. I’ve even heard it described as the doctor guessing the gender, by an elementary school teacher. That is where not acknowledging the biological difference starts. If one has transitioned it is from one and to another. I don’t see the harm in acknowledging that you were born a man or a woman and that just isn’t a life you can lead. Also, it is the exact same love of freedom that makes me feel that you can live your life however you like and anyone that has a problem with it can go piss up a rope, and that if someone can’t understand or condone your lifestyle you should be able to ignore that person instead of demanding that they overtly accept it.

Zach Brown

Fantastic conversation. Jaffe has the ability to express his perspective on transgender issues in a unique manner that provides insight unlike other voices that are currently being amplified. I truly appreciate how adding his views (and said expression of those views) to the mix will help us all work towards a better understanding of each other. Thank you.