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The Last of Us 1x05 Full Reaction! (Patreon)

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2023-02-11 22:02:09
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The Last of Us 1x05 Full Reaction

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Ryan

Yeah, hope you enjoyed that vacation from crying. Thanks to the Super Bowl, it didn't even last a week. Very interesting alteration from the game to make Sam deaf here, and even played by a real deaf actor, almost makes it a Quiet Place type story.

Anonymous

I think the best take I´ve heard why this show kills people around Joel and Ellie is, that it´s literally about "the last of us" - unlike The Walking Dead there isn´t hope to rebuild society, to "win" against the infected... It´s over for humanity. It´s a really pessimistic POV and to kill off people almost instantly after they are introduced is a pretty good way to demonstrate that... Also I kinda liked the irony that Kathyleen talked about kids dying all the time and then getting killed by a child (almost toddler) clicker... AND MF BLOATER ripped that guys head right off.... loved that!

Ryan
>>101707061

Quite rich for her to say that when she was so obsessed with going after the people she blamed for her brother's death that she did nothing to maintain whatever was keeping the Infected underground, and now they're all running toward the city she just stripped of all defenses.

Anonymous

Following your strategy, I'll start by talking about Kathleen. Yeah, interesting how weirdly self-aware she was about her actions. And the show did a good job of showing how Kathleen had allowed the dark desire for revenge to twist her mind until now, until now she has become the very thing she swore to destroy. Likewise, a good job showing how there is a history between her and Perry, and as you noted intersecting parallels. I found any sympathy I had for Kathleen more or less dried up when she essentially stated that Sam deserved to die; that kids die all the time. I could imagine that if Joel heard that, he’d be sorely tempted to put one right between her eyes, though I could see him holding off on that as it would be a waste of perfectly good ammunition. That was pure fuckery with the horde of infected. The big boy or as you said, “Whatever the fuck that was.” was a heart attack, and led me to say, “What new devilry is this?” It sucks seeing Perry die, though your reaction to that moment was great. I confess that I was quite cruel with Kathleen in her final moments, specifically I threw her words back at her by saying, “I’m sorry, Kathleen, I can’t help but think, and maybe I'm a trifle too cold and black-hearted about this, maybe you should have stopped to think that maybe you were supposed to die? After all, people like you die, Kathleen, they die all the time. You thought the whole world revolved around you and your revenge; that your revenge was worth everything? I mean, if you ask me this is what happens when, dare I say it, you fuck with fate.” To answer your query, can I say neither option? Or can I say that when those options are available, I'd just rather blow my brains out and save the not so jolly giant and/or infected girl the trouble? Onto Henry and Sam, yeah, the show does a good job in getting you to invest in them fairly quickly. I relate to that idea of as you put it, “I’m a bad guy, I'll accept that guilt” I’ve felt that more times than I can count. You brought up Joel’s expressions in the first half of the episode, those expressions were shared by me. And I was on his side wanting the kids to be on the quiet side. That said, I do acknowledge that Ellie and Sam’s scenes are touching, and it warmed the heart seeing your reactions to those moments. Then there’s the reveal that Sam got bit. Your reaction to that got me, I said, “Right, well, that’s my heart ripping into pieces.” From an acting perspective, I love how Henry prevents Joel from getting the gun, shooting Sam, and how it shows that he acted half on autopilot, and again, I loved the acting showing Henry’s moment of realization as to what he did. It was another tear of the heart, your reaction to Henry’s suicide. The pain in your eyes was particularly strong at that part. I would like to say I had the same reaction. Alternatively, I'd like to say my reaction would have been like Joel’s where he tried to talk Henry down. Unfortunately, I cannot say that. No, my reaction upon seeing Henry’s moment of realization was that I instantly knew what Henry was going to do, and I just felt hollow and empty. I put myself in Joel’s shoes, and thought that if I were Joel, I probably would not have attempted to talk Henry down as I doubt anything I could say or do would make a difference. What I would have done would probably have been to just share as sympathetic a look as I could with Henry, perhaps say, “I’m sorry.” And when Henry took his life, only then would I have looked away. Perhaps all of that is terrible for me to say, but it is what I feel would have been my reaction if I were Joel. All this to say, I see your own reaction, and I again say that it showcases you are a much better person than I am, Jess. All in all, this was a terrific reaction, thank you.

Anonymous

In the game I immediately warmed to Ellie; but it wasn't until this episode I warmed to this version of her. That's not to say Bella Ramsay isn't great, its the way she's been written for me; and that they have took their time to bring her other kinder traits out. Her helping Sam was beautiful to see, and shows deep down, she isn't a bad kid, but like a lot of others, has experienced a lot, and become a sharp-tongued wise-ass. Through her travels with Joel, she is seeing more of the world, the good and the awful, and its opening her eyes. She does have hope that one day the world will become whole once again, something she wasn't privy to seeing, and its got to be a heavy burden on her that she could be its saviour. What happens here with Sam and Tess, has added that weight onto her, and now she has a determination to end this infection. Henry is a bit like Joel; he will do all it takes to save those around him. And while it seems Joel hasn't 'ratted' before, he understands Henry's actions completely, even if he doesn't totally agree with him. There is no right and wrong in a situation like that, no one can have a moral high ground and be sanctimonious, especially if we put ourselves in Henry's shoes. Kathleen is supposed to be the antagonist here, and she has become unhinged by all she's been through, all that she's done, and the way her protective brother was captured and killed, has pushed her over the edge. HOWEVER, everything she does is for solid reasons, and we can empathise with why she is on this path. Killing Henry won't save her, or bring her brother back and she knows this, but again if we put ourselves in her shoes, how would we act? I can't say I'd be monk-like, I may act as she did. I know Bella was in GoT, and that scene where the infected swarm everyone, was shot as brilliantly as the best huge actions scenes and battles in that show, at its best. I was riveted watching how the hell Joel was going to protect Ellie, and how in turn Ellie tried to protect Sam and Henry. I remember it not ending well in the game for Henry and Sam, so it couldn't end well here either. The way it all transpired though was gut-wrenching. A big brother looking out and doing the things he did, for his younger sibling who couldn't take care of himself; have to shoot him after he got infected, then realise he has took away his reason for being and shooting himself, is just overwhelmingly sad. This is turning into a truly great show, but its a hard one to sit through at times.

Anonymous

I also want to add a few words about Pedro's acting in this series. In the game, Joel is a lot more steely-eyed and gruff; he has the presence of a man you just would not want to mess with, and as he opens up in the game, he brings a warming halo of protection, and just as he'd do anything for you, you as Ellie, would turn the world upside down for him also. Pascal can't do the steely-eyed look, his eyes are too warm and kind. So what he does with Joel in the quieter scenes, is show slight confusion about everything he has done, why he is now on this path, and is trying and failing to keep his distance from Ellie. However, he is a tremendous physical actor, we see that in Mando when he has to act through the armour and helmet set; and here we see as he is sniping out the infected and resistance chasing Ellie, the determination to protect her and fear in his eyes for her.

Anonymous
>>105118951

I keep feeling like, at least where it pertains to the show, I haven’t played the game, most everyone seemed more taken with Ellie than I was, and it sounded like most warmed to her from the get-go. I admit I struggled with her in the earliest episodes. Part of it is for me, kid characters are often a gamble, particularly smartass kid characters. It's the fine line of being a smartass and annoying yet still sympathetic and likeable, which is always exceedingly difficult to pull off. And like you noted, that’s nothing against Bella Ramsay. I am genuinely interested in what Ashley Johnson’s portrayal of Ellie was like as I'm very familiar with and fond of Ashley’s work elsewhere, and I have heard she is most excellent as Ellie. It is around this episode that Ellie started to grow on me more. Certainly, as you say, the journey opens her eyes to a lot of things and puts into perspective the burden that befalls her. The parallels between Joel and Henry are great, and it is a great moment where Joel revises his initial opinion of Henry once learning the full story. As Jess said and I agreed, it was intriguing how self-aware Kathleen was about her going off the deep end. It is very much a case of one may or may not condone her actions, yet one can still empathize with her and understand where she’s coming from. I concede that I wasn’t terribly kind to her at the end, and yes, like you say, she does fill a role for the audience to ponder if they can honestly say they wouldn’t act the same if they were in a similar situation. Over a month later and your description “Overwhelmingly sad” succinctly sums up Henry and Sam’s fates. Like I originally said, it got me in such a way that I felt hollow. The reaction Jess had to that part has stuck with me.

Anonymous
>>105121391

What's particularly great about Pedro Pascal’s performance as Joel, for me anyway, is there is the quiet brilliance of it. He expertly conveys, as you describe it, confusion, and I’ve seen it as he does a strong showcase of how severe trauma and grief can make a man be lost, almost aimless. It's not terribly overt either, which I liked. It felt very much like a man who is already dead and is just waiting for his body to catch up. And through the journey, and through him slowly bonding with Ellie, you see the fire reignite and light in him again. And yes, Pedro’s physicality is excellent in the whole show.

Anonymous
>>105118951

I tend to give kid characters a break, especially those around their teenage years when their hormones are playing up, and we can all remember puberty. Some in the Star Wars fanbase always state about Ahsoka being 'annoying' in season 1 and 2 before they began to like her. Same with Ezra, some find him the same way at the start. They have to learn these life lessons that will form the person they will become, and sure they'll do silly things, stupid stuff and sometime be a right pain in the arse; but if written well, their journeys can become memorable and beloved, especially when they have to 'endure and survive' a mess like this. Yes I wasn't totally against Kathleen at all despite her having the whole city out looking for them; however as soon as she threatens Sam, all bets are off, she has to go down, and I then echo your original sentiments. And that decision not to deal with the infected comes back to 'bite' her big time. In the end the only things that won the battle with the resistance and DEDRA, was the infected; and now they are the masters of Kansas City.

Anonymous
>>105121391

Yes thats a good point. Ellie is reminding him of Sarah and I think he currently feels that if he is to warm to her, it would somehow betray his memory of his daughter. He is struggling to deal with that, but at the end of this episode he seems to be completely with Ellie now on their quest. It may feel like to him, she is 'cargo' no longer, and he can start with trusting her as he is now doing.

Anonymous
>>105118951

Right, the writing and directing is where the concern usually lies for me with kid characters. If written and directed well, and you get someone of Bella Ramsay’s talent, ultimately it works, like it does here. And as you say, it’s the growth and journey where the character really shines. If the writing and directing doesn’t quite work, I hold criticism towards that rather than the kid actors themselves as it’s not their fault. Yeah, what Kathleen said about Sam is where one loses sympathy for her. Also, her stating wanting to kill Ellie, simply for being with the man who killed Brian. Sure, Ellie did shoot and presumably paralyze Brian, but Kathleen has no way of knowing this. That was a grotesque yet satisfying end to Kathleen.