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Hey everyone!

I hope you all enjoyed the last chapter with the crew finally reaching Mael'nerak's homeworld.

Both halves of chapter 143 took a lot longer to write than usual, because it's a pivotal part of the story that involved a lot of planning. The battle scenes always take considerably more effort to create, because there are a lot of rapid scene changes, and I have to carefully balance the threats they're facing. After lengthy consideration, I've decided to charge for this month's release, simply because of the sheer effort it took to complete.

I'm conscious of the fact that I still owe you the next chapter... which I'm currently working on at the moment. So far I've been focusing on the scenes with the rebellious Outer Rim governors, which I'll intersperse through the chapter. I thought it might be interesting to write them all in one go, so that they flow better between the scenes.

I should be able to get through the next few chapters at a much faster pace now that the dust has settled on Kythshara. Here's my current plan for November:

1) Chapter 144 by 8th November. (Already paid for and half written)

2) Chapter 145 by 19th November.

3) Chapter 146 by 30th November.

Yes, it's exceedingly ambitious, but I'm determined to stick to it!

I'm thinking about reducing the word count of the chapters, as maintaining 30k words per chapter is getting too stressful. In the early days on Patreon the wordcount was considerably lower, but they gradually crept up over time. 

As the story has progressed, the storylines have become more complicated and its taking longer to write each chapter. John and the girls are massively more powerful than they were in the early days, so creating challenging encounters is increasingly difficult. Then there's the huge cast in the story too (as you can see from the character glossary!), all of which adds more sub plots and complexity.

I'm hoping that with a bit lower wordcount, it'll be easier to do multiple releases per month, as I know that waiting until month-end for a release is a long wait. I'll be interested to hear your thoughts.

I've also got a guest author's work which I'll publish shortly, as well as an idea for a reward for the $25 patrons to thank them for their generous contributions. 

Anyway, that's it for the update. Happy Halloween!

Cheers

Tefler

Comments

Who Me

Instead of trying to have several locations and interactions - why not use the shorter chapters and concentrate on one location or set of characters?

Michael

Thank you for your hard work and dedication to the story.

Yeomin

It was an awesome chapter and shorter more frequent chapters sounds great! Happy Halloween!

DemonHunterCole

I like your ambitious goal! I believe in you and know you can do it! And if you cannot or are running behind, just let us know and it will keep the whining at bay. Happy Halloween!

Anonymous

Possibly more content more often? Sign me up!!

Youkai-sama

3 chapters in a month (even if they are a little shorter) sounds GREAT to me.

Idaho Spud56

That chapter was worth the extra charge!

Cignal

I agree the complexity has increased considerably. The complexity takes additional time, so this is understandable.

Evan

That works for me. May you only have good luck in meeting the goals you’re setting for yourself. I look forward to this planned future with anticipation.

Jedi Khan

Personally, I'm not thrilled about the reduction in word count per chapter. You've set a precedent for chapters being 30k words and stuck to that for years. It would be a shame for you to compromise on that just to increase the number of releases in a month. It almost smells like a money-grab move. I would rather have you keep the 30k standard and do one chapter a month than cut back on the word count to release multiple chapters a month. On the other hand, this current pattern you've being dealing with, releasing half a chapter at the end of the month then having to skip a month's payment, can't be sustainable either. Anyways, since you asked, I've offered my thoughts on the matter. I'll be here for the long haul regardless of your decision.

Anonymous

In the upper right corner of this post, it says "paid for by patrons". Did we just pay for a status update?

AzureReader

Your over optimism warms my heart. Everyone supports you whether you can write those chapters or your roof caves in because you just hired another contractor with… issues. We know you’re committed to the story and working on it as best you can. Good luck on the writing and in life.

Anonymous

Might I suggest instead of putting 3 chapters in one month, still put them out a month. You need to be chapters ahead of us so you can issue without stress.

Anonymous

I'm happy with whatever suits your ability to keep making my favorite story ever! Though, in order to stave off the more ravenous fans, you might want to consider an occasional side chapter that has no bearing on the story as a whole and takes little effort. Something simple in-universe you could jot down in an hour. For example, you could spend maybe 1000 words on an awkward elevator ride on Port Herecles between a Kintark and Terran diplomat. or something cheesy like a pair of Ashanath on a date on the homeworld. Hell, how about a short story on what happened to the Fernandez Family's neighbors after selling to Maria’s ISD detail?

Donald J Stubblefield

IMO, from only a readers POV, a chp's word count shouldn't be a factor only story flow. If you are trying to comment to 20-30k, words per release, fine but that doesn't mean has to be in one chp. Story flow > word count

Jedi Khan

Now there's an interesting idea. Hadn't considered that.

Anonymous

I’ve been saying before I have felt these half chapters are full postings. If anything the chapters feel very long (not a criticism). So go shorter my friend. As Nicodemus says story flow is more important, not minimum word count.

Ian Moran

This, definitely. @Tef, If you're concerned about people feeling like they're being cheated if you reduce chapter size, you could always keep a running word count, and charge whenever it rolls over a 30k increment. Or just make it an official firm announcement ahead of time and give people time to adjust their pledge if they wish.

Michael56Smith

,23: All right who are you, and what have you done with Tefler? All these positive (I hope you can pull them off successfully) plans, with an ambitious writing/publishing schedule for November,.. hope you give yourself a bit of a break in December for Christmas,.. I think you are on the right track and I hope this works out well,.. with the minimum of problems and adjustments,.. more chapters, but a lower per chapter word count, meaning more chapters per month,.. likely a close word count to the current once a month, half chapter, game plan, so I see no problem on our end,.. except for those who just dislike change,.. Carry on, good luck, best wishes,.. and please bring back our pretty and perky purple pixie! And I hope it is really her perky self, and while a close copy might make for a good story, but I really want the original Faye back, please! Oh, and a Happy Halloween to you too ;-) TTFN

Taco1085

I am good with a reduced word count. Specially if it helps you speed up chapter releases. Looking forward to read about the $25 reward. Also on another observation, Mr Tefler you have been posting novels for months. Most lit writer write a chapter and it has 8k or less and post so sporadically from a month to 9 months or a year out. I applaud you for your efforts and reducing the size still beats what other post. After all the average payment on Patreon is roughly $1.88 per chapter and breaks down to .00006667 per word. I think you deserve a bigger reward for the amazing story you post. Thank you for all you do and keep looking up because it only gets better from there.

palisade

Tef, I'm perfectly happy with two smaller chapters per month. While I agree that you kind of set a precedent of 30k words and having been achieving it for a while it has come at the expense of chapters in a timely manner. I don't think 30k was ever sustainable long term and something had to give. I am perfectly happy to continue paying per chapter even if they are a little shorter. I hope you can achieve your ambitious November goal but I won't whine if you miss it. Ideally you need to get a chapter or even two ahead so that unexpected events don't keep delaying things last minute. I am also here for the long haul as long as you BRING. BACK. FAYE! Nuff' said😁

GDay (FMS)

Hi Tef, that is an ambitious schedule and I truly look forward to the month of November. I am fine with the reduced word count, to reduce pressure on you and increase the output frequency. Long may you prosper and enjoy great health.

Bp Hlpt

Since you asked for feedback .... I am OK with shorter chapters as well, within reason. Your previous chapters have been 30K MINIMUM for a long time. So what is the new minimum? If 10K - 15K then I STRONGLY disagree. If the chapters range between 20K - 30K with an average of 25K, then that is very reasonable. If the average starts dropping down closer to 20K, then I won't like it, but ... Please do what you need to do in order to maintain yourself, your family, and your ability, financially and motivationally, to continue this marvelous story and its sequels for a long, long time. Slightly off-topic: 1) I agree with Rus - Please provide Recurve33's story in .doc format 2) Please tempt me, and others, by letting us know what the deity reward is?

Trimtab

Love ya tefler, and your excellent writing, but there are times when i feel your earnest effort to give the reader their money's worth ends up wit some slightly fluffed scenes. I'm a massive Hemingway fan, so im aware half the words can often have double the impact. Not saying to fully emulate that author, he agonized for years about every little word and deleted far more than he ever published. Point is just that 'more isn't always more' and compared to other authors i support you can write smaller chapters and not feel guilty asking us to support you. Cost is a function of time, and we all need to make ends meet, you're no different. ;-) Personally, I'd be stoked to read a bit less, but more frequently/consistently. Also please, never be a slave to word count. You structure chapters well, if you can make a powerful one that accomplishes what is needed for the story in half the words, job done!! :-)

Anonymous

Shorter chapters are fine. Last year I reread from chapter one and those are much shorter than 30,000 words. Granted less going on, but the momentum of those chapters made them page turners. Not saying you back back to that length, but remember I'm not paying for words. It's the story that matters.

Anonymous

Personally, I never understood why you pushed your word count the way you did. I'm perfectly satisfied with 15k+ in a month and if that gets us 2 chapters every few months I would consider it a bonus.

Anonymous

If I'm not wrong we already paid for both ch143 AND 144 last month, and now, without notice (at least you asked previously) you've taken another payment towards 143! I've honestly been getting more dissolutioned and detached from the story as time has gone on. It feels like chapters are being padded out with superfluous wordage which has mired the flow IMHO. I wasn't sure if this is an attempt to forestall the inevitable ending to keep your revenue generation going, or if you genuinely feel the extra narrative is needed to make the story better, but your plan to reduce chapter sizes, thus allowing you to charge more times per month bolsters my impression that it's more about the income. Whatever your reasoning... I'm out. The combination of being charged arbitrarily for a status update, and losing interest as each chapter is strung out, has made my mind up. I do wish you & your family well - it's been a helluva rollercoaster ride, and your writing has improved immensely over the years. Good luck on your continued journey to fame... and fortune.

Anonymous

Just don’t burn out on us, buddy. We need you to keep the story going, but we want you alive, and capable of keeping the story solid. We also want you to make sure you can still have time with your beloved family. We can wait patiently, as we have been all this time. Anybody that isn’t patient, well… they should just wait a couple of years before coming back. Love you, Tef, tell the family we say “hi” in the meantime!

Anonymous

I am quite happy about more chapters and less word count. You give a lot of effort for each chapter. It's a great story keep up the good work.

Anonymous

I’m happy with quality over work count. Granted, one exquisitely crafted word a month would suck!

ringill

As others have said it depends on what constitutes shorter! If a natural break in a chapter (or, bearing in mind you predilection for cliffhangers, an unnatural break) means 23k words then okay, if it means 33k words then okay, it’s all about the flow. Certainly if it, in effect, means more words a month overall then I’m all for it especially as we’ve only had 5 chapters this year. Of course if you give us something the length of, say, chapter 2 then we may have to revisit ;-)

Anonymous

Someone posted in the comments last month to “Go somewhere else to complain.” Well, as patrons, we all have the right to comment here, even if it is not well received. Comments sections aren’t just for praising the creator’s work, but a place where constructive criticism can be viewed by the creators as well. Now, maybe I’m the only one who feels this way, or maybe I’m in the minority, but I feel what Tefler did this month is not right. I’ve been a patron of Tefler’s since I believe 2016. I’m not certain of that, but I do know it was before the goal of $1,500.00 was reached. And the goal at the time I joined was to get a new computer and not to quit work and write full-time. Like everyone here, I became entranced by the rich storyline and the delightful character development of the universe Tef created. Back then, we got multiple chapters every month at 20k to 30k words per chapter. I eagerly looked forward to new chapters. When Tefler first charged for a half-chapter, I wasn’t thrilled. I felt it set a bad precedent. I don’t pay my accountant when he is half done with my taxes, nor do I pay a musician for his album when they are half done recording it. Sure, we got the second half free, but we pay per chapter. Paying for half when the work isn’t complete left a bad taste in my mouth. Paying for half-chapters might have been okay if it had just been done occasionally, but it soon became the norm instead of the exception, and that didn’t feel right to me. At the end of August, 2020, Tefler post the first half of Chapter 136 and charged for it, mentioning he was going away for a week and would finish it up when he got back. The end of September rolled around and nothing. No post. No status updates. No comments. And we were in the middle of a global pandemic. For all of October the comments were full of worried patrons, asking if anyone had heard anything and hoping Tefler was okay. Then, the last day of October he posted the second half of Chapter 136, and charged for it. His reasoning for the delay and the additional charge was he needed a break and the second half was darker and more difficult to write. I might have been okay with that if he could have taken 5 minutes earlier in the month to explain it to us patrons in an update. Just popping up and charging us again after such silence really bothered me, but again I let it slide. After 10 months in 2021, we’ve received 5 chapters, but paid for 7. I personally feel charging for both halves of Chapter 143 was wrong, especially since we are still owed for Chapter 144. I can sympathize and understand the needed home repairs so I was okay with prepaying for Chapter 144, but then charging again for the second half of Ch. 143 feels like a slap in the face. At the end of last month, he had pledges of $8,900.00 per chapter, which we paid twice with the first half of Chapter 143 and the prepayment of 144. That’s almost $18,000.00. Charging the $8,500.00 for part 2 of Ch. 143 means we’ve paid $26,000.00 for 1 chapter with the promise of a second chapter free. What’s next? Charging us for Ch. 144 because he decides the Character Glossary was worth it? I feel we are being taken advantage of at this point. Now, regarding the word count, I can only imagine how difficult it must be to take such a long running, deeply involved project with many different story arcs and continue to produce such a high-quality tale. And it still is just that; high quality. The writing today is just as good as it was in the beginning, and hats off to Tefler for that. And if he were still making $1500.00 per chapter, I could understand his wanting to reduce the word count per chapter. But he is not. The extra we are paying is his reward for the extra work. I feel he has lost sight of that. In conclusion, I want to thank Tefler for the many years of wonderful entertainment he has provided me. I really do love this story, and it saddens me that I won’t be around to see how it all ends. Again, maybe I’m the only one who feels this way or just the most vocal of a vast minority, but I feel taken for granted and used at this point, and I cannot reward that kind of behavior. I wish him the best of luck and hope for his continued success regardless.

IanBio

You can see how it ends by just waiting until the e-book is published. Somewhat delayed gratification but reading the whole thing rather than chapter by chapter may well be more satisfying - and a whole lot cheaper.

Anonymous

Like many others here I fully support more regular, shorter chapters (and more updates when there are delays). Personally, I think Tef knocks it out of the park with every 'half' chapter, let alone full chapters. Those who seem upset by the idea of being charged for shorter chapters need to remember what Patreon is about - we're not buying chapters at all - after all, Tef posts them elsewhere freely - we're supporting a creator to give them the security to create to the best of their ability.

Anonymous

Smaller chapters are perfectly OK to me. Honestly, every one of your later chapters were too long to do per month, specially if you want to keep all the background data around so you do not make lore mistakes.

Michael56Smith

.35: Non-TSM related: back in the mid to late 1970's, in Virginia, I once knew and worked with a DJ Johnson,.. And I could see him reading Tef's stuff,.. any chance that you could be that Doug? if not, sorry, and please go back to enjoying this good end of month stuff,.. ;-) TTFN

Anonymous

Didnt we allready pay for chapter 143 & 144? There is a right way to go about things and charging you customers extra just because it took extra effort isnt the correct way to do that. You would have a fit if your car mechanic did this! At this point your well past the 1500 so "I can write full time" point and it seems greed or a lavish lifestyle is taking over. Shorter chapters are fine but to short isnt worth it. Good luck in all you do sir!

CJ Mora

I accept the extra charge, but I'm not thrilled. I get that these are complex, and respect the effort it takes to produce them; but you did say this half was going to be delivered this month (along with another chapter) for the extra payment you needed for your roof. I get it, it's unusual circumstances. Shorter chapters, yes, especially if it helps you manage your stress and sets a more-realistic expectation for every month. I think folks expect a complete chapter per payment, while I look at it monthly. I am on a budget and have to divide my patronage across several authors. You, by far, receive the "Lion's share" (pun intended) because I love your story and your writing. But, I still have only a little wiggle-room for variation. If the release length were to shrink (which I completely understand, due to the size and complexity) then I would expect my contribution per submission would shrink accordingly. If you publish 2 x 15k words, I would pay the same as 1 x 30k. But, I would also set my monthly max at 3 payments, to give you incentive to produce an extra release, when your muse has been generous that month. 3 suggestions: 1. I agree with the comment above that you should develop a backlog of at least 2 or 3 submission-length chapters, all edited and ready to submit, and hold on to them in reserve, in case you need a break or "life happens". Going to shorter chapters would help with that. 2. I also think you should catch up on the eBooks...that's low-hanging fruit and an easy source of quick money. You have something like 10 books here, ready to go. 3. Maybe it would be less confusing if you started naming the releases "Nov2021-1", instead of by chapter?

Anonymous

I agree with this - its the story, not the word count. And I would like you to continue writing, and be happy about it.

Metheus108

Without all the extras, I tend to agree with Zuul that there has been a bit of a moving of the goalposts in terms of the monthly contributions. You're now making over 5x what you said you needed to work at this full time and give the story the attention it deserves to put out a chapter every month. The story has also gotten a little unwieldy in terms of content. This last half a chapter counted for maybe 20 mins of real time. You've got a major Proj invasion that was hinted at a couple months ago (in our time) and no mention of it coming up. You've got the Walker storyline that is just languishing. The Kintark are a story afterthought now that that poll had Tamolith start The Change. And you have a gap of almost 20 chapters that arent covered here or in the e-books that are already out. I understand real life gets in the way, but as someone who isnt going to make $8k in a month for completing my work, let alone ask for 16 because I might need it, I'm starting to feel like the system has become a piggy bank goal and not a way to get quality content consistently. That said, I'm ok with contributing but at this point I definitely feel like more constant communication and more realistic goals arent just a suggestion from you for our contribution, but a necessary part of the contract that hasnt been fulfilled very well in the last couple of years,

Anonymous

Tef, #1: Manage your stress. #2: This is Patreon where there is no contract between you and the folks supporting you. #3: Folks will support or not based on what they believe your work to be worth. #4: Take a deep breath and realize that most of us are with you for the long haul and are extremely happy with what you produce :) :) :) Thank you for all you are doing and continue to do, take care of you, yours and your house! For all the rest of my fellow supporters: A burnt out author produces nothing. An embittered author ends things and walks away. Tef is amazingly responsive and thoughtful, in addition continuing to run this marathon of production for himself and all of us. Let him do what he needs to do to continue with the joy that is reflected in his work and bring this story to its proper conclusion as he sees fit :) Have a great day everyone and keep up the good work!

Metheus108

Also, no, I'm not ok with 'My work was more difficult this time so I'm going to charge you double for it." That's a shitty precedent that's already been used here too often. Basically a dollar for every 4 words you wrote for this chapter. (edit, bad math. Actually a dollar ever 2 words)You just took in more income than most people in the world make in a year for a chapter and a promise and you're saying its too much work and you may need to do less?

Brian

I agree that it is a total dick move to charge twice for chapter 143. To say please I need your help this month and this is what I will put out next month for free only to just put out 1/3 of the promised amount, then just before the month slips away to surprise charge for that 1/3. Major dick move.

Anonymous

I'm not concerned about the publication pacing. It's quality that counts. Would much rather have your communication about issues of concern than silence.

Anonymous

Does anyone know how many words are in an average published novel? Ninety thousand words. So we get a third of a novel for every "chapter". (of which I'm very thankful) Some authors I follow only publish one novel every two years, it takes them two years to write what we get here in a handful of months, I'd say we're spoiled. Tefler, thank you. I appreciate this universe you've created, and can't wait to see where it goes.

Brian

Well I think I am going to lower my tier. I chose a higher one because I really enjoyed Tefler's work and chose to give him more per chapter. I now know his integrity isn't very high, yes he can write well but honesty, integrity, not so much. So I will lower the amount paid for each chapter to minimize the effect of such dishonest practices while still enjoying the content.

TexanInParis

Loved 143 - lots of hard work put into an action-packed chapter. Can't wait to see what happens next!

JP

I also have to echo many of the negative comments in here. Not impressed by your actions here Tefler. It's not the dollar amount, it's the principle of the matter. I think if you don't reverse your decision to charge us for this status update/second half/whatever, I will be cancelling my subscription.

Michael56Smith

.54: Just one more week TIP, TSM #144 is scheduled for the 8th of November, and I can't wait either,.. I hope this 'new' two or three times per month releases work out okay,.. ;-) TTFN

JP

As for your proposed releases this month, I'm skeptical. You've made a habit of over promising and under delivering. I think you need to take a step back and stop looking at the dollar signs. Even at one chapter a month you earn more than most middle class people, maybe get back to consistently delivering a full, quality chapter once a month and no more "here's half so I can get paid have the rest later."

Metheus108

No contract, and yet I signed a electronic document saying that I would be charged every chapter. We've already been charged for Chapter 143 and 144 and now we are all being charged for half of what the contract says we should expect. Have a great day, but if you cant understand the frustration with this move I'm not sure what to say.

PLRus--Founding member of the TSM F5 club.

Both Recurve33 and I wish to convey our support here: We saw JP's comments to Tefler, and we can't argue with his point of view, but we also can't condone his decision. Tefler has our absolute support, and it may be a shame to lose anyone, but Tefler isn't asking people to go against their principles. He is merely clarifying his position. It's actually pretty polite of him to take the time to explain his position as he has. We are happy to contribute what we can, and how we can. We don't see this as commerce, it isn't, not really. It's being a patron of the arts: and if people get bent out of shape for, "not gettin their monies worth" we feel sorry for them.

JP

I'm not saying I'm not getting my money's worth. I'm saying we paid for chapter 143 (first half) and Tefler arbitrarily charged us for the second half. Not cool. And it's not the money (I mean, it's the price of a cup of coffee - not a big deal for me), but the priciple of it.

Big Orca

Here are my thoughts: stop doing half chapters. As a matter of fact, just set a target to do a drop at end of month, and it could be whatever amount of words you feel is reasonable. This way, everyone knows what to expect, and you don’t have to worry about charging for 1/2 chapter and catch up.

Anonymous

This is wrong. You stated on Sep 30 that you would release 143 and 144 in Oct. you charged us for the chapter that you had not written and for the chapter that you had only half written. You write the chapters! You could have called the first half of 143 “chapter 143” and the second half 144 and no one would be upset. Instead you made a promise to the people who support you and you dropped the ball. Everyone of the people who are mindless

Anonymous

Mindlessly complementing you should be ashamed. A patron supports and shouldn’t be afraid to tell the artist when they are messing up. Tef you are messing up. Charging us twice for a chapter is a mistake. Charging us for chapters that are not written is a mistake. Your story is wonderful. You work ethic is now questionable.

Anonymous

Unfortunately I have to agree with this. @Tefler, I love your story. You’re the first author I’ve supported in this format. But this isn’t ok.

Anonymous

You do great work. I’m very happy with how much I pay versus the enjoyment I get back.

Anonymous

I have come to the same conclusion and have taken the same action. It's a shame really.

Anonymous

I mostly agree. But the arrangement is that a chapter is 30K words. Either way we were bamboozled.

Anonymous

PLRus, put the Kool-aid down.

Anonymous

By the way, charging for each half is charging twice for a chapter. Just because it was done before doesn’t make it right. He is not releasing a chapter for free we paid for it in September, and Tefler set the conditions, pay PER chapter, not us. He could have changed them anytime, like before charging us twice or charging us for a chapter that has not been written, and then gone forward with the new conditions. If he had done that there would have been grumbling, but his integrity would be beyond question.

Anonymous

Ngl I’m extremely annoyed at being charged twice for a chapter (because “it was harder to write” no less) while we’ve already been pre-charged for a chapter that was promised but not delivered. I’ve been fine with the constant missed deadlines and promises, ya the constant “I’ll try to finish this chapter in the next two weeks” or the “I’m gonna try to get two chapters out this month” and literally never meeting those promises is a little annoying but I didn’t care because we only pay when you produce content. I was willing to forgo that unwritten contract last month when you pleaded for help for your house only for that goodwill to be thrown in my face after another broken promise on top of a second charge. About the word count, ya 30k a chapter is a lot compared to other authors and I would be okay with less per chapter, but tbh the chapters feel bloated and overly wordy to reach a certain word count to get paid. “He’s writing 1/3 of a novel per chapter”, ya but barely anything happens. It feels like most chapters don’t even cover a day in story time. I wish he would stop describing every hour of their day, every single meal they have, and just progress the story. He’s probably written a comparable word count to (don’t care enough to check) Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings, and Game of Thrones combined but hasn’t even progressed the story a single year from the first chapter. Let the reader fill in the gaps using their imagination and just move the story along. I don’t know if it’s because he has to scramble to finish a chapter every month to get paid or if it’s because he just has a general idea of where he wants to the story to go but doesn’t have it really planned out, but the story for the past year (real time) has just felt like it’s been middling around and barely moving. I don’t really care about the money, it’s only a couple of bucks, but I can’t help but feel like this story is gonna just get dragged on for a decade and tef is writing more for a paycheck than he is writing to advance the story. I get it, this is how he makes a living, I signed up because I wanted to see the end of the story, but it feels like the story won’t end for years and I’ve honestly just lost interest. I haven’t cancelled my membership yet because I have already paid for the next chapter that he hasn’t delivered but I intend to cancel after that. Maybe I’ll check back in a couple years and the story will have moved more than a month in the future but I’m not that confident of even that at this point.

Anonymous

Taco 1085, this is about his character. maybe you haven’t looked in awhile, but Tefler makes approximately $8000 per creation. Which means he has made almost $24,000 for what he has done in the last month. One chapter. Do you make 24000 in a month? Do you have the option to just give yourself another payday when ever you like? Because while it is only a couple of dollars for the average supporter the whole community is paying Tefler well enough that he was able to quit his job. I was not aware that he could just decide to hit the “Pay” button arbitrarily. *As a side, you did quit your job, right Tef? I don’t know that I ever heard that story. I could have missed it. Maybe you could write that as a bonus chapter. It must have felt great to be able to walk out a free man in total control of your life. Seriously, would love to hear about that.

Brian

I had always took it for granted that the creators on Patreon had the ability to choose which posts they were going to charge for. I had also hoped that they had the integrity to not choose to arbitrarily steal from over 4500 people. I am not angry that he did this. I am disappointed that he did this. I am hurt that he did this. And for the comments that are sure to follow, Yes, this is most certainly theft! He instantaneously picked the pockets of over 4500 people world wide. I am sure his parents are proud.

Michael56Smith

.84: WOW!! Are we ever hearing from from spoilt, and brain damaged folks,.. likely to be Liberals ( voting to flush the world down the crapper,..),.. It's the Author's story,.. so vote with your wallet and take your business elsewhere, that'll show him,.. -- or you could try to grow up a bit,.. read some books about maturity and positive thinking while you are waiting for the 'free' chapters to post in a few more months,.. ;-) TTFN

Cignal

Creativity doesn't have a time table. Tefler has been extremely consistent through the years. Most Authors take years to get out what Tefler does in a couple months.

Robert Wrigley

Don't necessarily mind the money games, other then to note that the more you do it, the more it becomes normalized, and the more you're likely to do it again. Don't fall into that trap, or your support will drop, and we'll never get to the end of the story.

Cignal

Tefler didn't steal anything. It is his choice to decide what he charges and when he charges. It is your choice to decide if you want to continue buying his product or not. There isn't a contract. You are not guaranteeing him an income. Anyone spewing off about this is just showing their entitled attitude.

Nonconformist

Tefler was wrong to charge again for chapter 143. We had already been charged. He also said 144 would be posted in October, it was not. To all those saying Tefler can do what he wants I disagree. HE WAS WRONG.

Michael56Smith

.90: Alright young man, you can go sit in the 'timeout' corner Michael,.. you know better than that!,.. throwing a tantrum in public, and with written evidence too! for shame,.. you know you have to hide your 'crazy' and blend in,.. ;-) TTFN

Anonymous

We never put 30k words into the bargain, as far as I know that was Tef. He’s always been putting out a strong deal. Did 30k words advance the plot any more than 22k would have? Somehow I doubt it. That said, I still like the story. I think it needs to wrap up in a bit. It’s so big. I also really am pleased that Tef was able to quit his job and be his own boss. That’s why I support him. Now he can’t go charging for half-chapters willy-nilly but this chapter reminded me of some of the tension we had back in the days of when John’s guide was in control and they were fighting on Trankara. I really felt the effort he put into it, and that’s worth more to me than a party at Sael Immanthe. I feel it would be preferable if this series ditched the erotic elements to focus in on plot advancement. We don’t need every shower, every meal, every self-doubt John has. When that happens the side plots like with Fat Tony get far more interesting.

Anonymous

Writing serial fiction is hard, and gets progressively harder. It’s a challenge traditional novelists don’t face. Give yourself room, and know for a certainty that almost no one else will see your fuckups. The ones that parse you that carefully are your biggest fans.

Nonconformist

It appears my thought's on being charged twice for chapter 143 bothered some patron's. It has been suggested I withdraw my membership and leave. It has also been suggested my mind is " twisted to believe my opinion matters on what Tefler does ". I don't plan to drop my support at this time. That does not mean that I will believe Tefler when he put's out a new update. When a new chapter appears I will read it. I also did not know that Tefler had double charged for chapter's in the past. That info came from PLRus. My time as a patron should not matter. My opinion comes from Tefler's post where he asked for the money upfront and I mistakenly thought I had paid for 143 & 144 ahead of time and did not realize I would be double charged for 143. Maybe my mind was twisted, who knows. All responses to my comment have come from other patron's. The opinion's of those few who think I am wrong are no more important than mine. I have not seen any comment from Tefler on the subject and do not believe he will comment. He won't care because the majority of patron's are 1 dollar supporters. He can lose a few hundred patrons and not feel any financial pain from it. Between the upfront charge for 2 chapters and the double charge for 143 that's over 24,000.00 in a month ( US Dollars ). Not bad money.

Anonymous

I bet you voted for trump...would not have mentioned it but you continually mention liberals as though they had some incurable disease...you apparently don't know this but the only reason we have the safety net programs is because of liberals...I am referring, in part, to social security, medicare, medicaid and a host of other social programs that have helped the average citizen...If Tefler decides to pull the plug on the story (which he won't because of the money) then so be it.. Heck I would venture to say that most of the readers would have forgotten the story in a week or so...have a nice day..

Michael56Smith

.105: Michael, You are a whiner, You should duck your head, and hide your eyes,.. writing such silly nonsense is quite shameful,.. To the woodshed young man, and cut me off a hickory switch,.. Unfortunately the world can no longer tolerate attitudes like Michael's,.. too many examples of our corrupted educational system do not think clearly and are way too self absorbed,.. they must be confronted and told that they are quite wrong headed, they can no longer be allowed to speak and act as if they were real adults,.. sorry Michael, but you did ask for it. ;-) TTFN

jdg45

108.. Well I agree that the decision by Tefler to change posted decisions and charge for 143-2 was poor ethics. HOWEVER, as previously posted I will support chapters that are a bit shorter - like 20,000 words vs the Tefler self imposed 30,000 'standard'. The smart thing would have been to make 143 the chapter and not part 1. Then part 2 would have become 144..... And reducing part 2 would not have been required. As many have said the cost is not relevant. And how soon Patrons forget the bonuses already delivered. * Chapter 100, a mighty effort and a fantastic read - over 93,000 words. * Chapter 121, Again an entralling chapter. Could easily have been two chapters split at the point John was to meet Rahn - over 61,000 words. Get over it! I look forward to reading 144. Thanks Tefler.

Arrowglass

The unequaled quality of the TSM story is worth far more than we pay for it. I do not have any problem paying for the extra work necessary to give us what Tefler does. It is my privilege and choice to show the esteem I hold for Tefler and his creative spirit in by contributing at the Deity level. If we are lucky and he can produce what he plans, it will be a big month!!! One can hope for the best!!!!

Nonconformist

Brian, I thought your comment very funny and extremely accurate. There is no sense in engaging with commenter's where the only right opinion is theirs unless you agree with them. Their whole life may revolve around TSM's & Tefler so anyone who disagrees with their view needs to be discredited and they then become Troll's on the site. A thank you to Kal'adayn for your point that having a different opinion can be valid regardless of the length of time as a patron. Also as to you ignoring certain commenters I agree completely hence my thought that those commenters become Trolls. I wanted to let you know I changed my profile name to Nonconformist to let the Trolls know that I won't conform to their opinion when mine differs from theirs just because they say so.

Anonymous

When speaking your mind freely and sensibly equates to non-conformism then it is a clear indication the community is being oppressed. These trolls are a small minority, but they generate by far the most posts (one individual is responsible for almost 50%). Their posts are consistently dismissive, full of logical fallacies and authorative. This core of trolls then amplifies each other until all the more moderate supporters simply don't engage anymore. They consider this a victory because there is less "dissent" in what they regard as their domain. It is reminiscent of the mass hysteria that dominates American politics. Agendas seem far more important than facts or the well-being of the community. Welcome to the post-truth era I suppose. Stay non-conformist 😉

Arrowglass

One of the good things about this is you can say whatever you feel!!!!!!!!!

Nonconformist

Hey Kal'adayn, I agree completely with your statement and noticed the Troll could not keep from a response. It just backs up my comment about TSM's and Tefler being their world. Any thought or statement that does not align with theirs must be wrong and they will state that over and over and over again.

Nonconformist

Arrowglass, when I wrote how I felt about Tefler charging twice for 143 It was suggested I leave patron and my mind was twisted. That's a lot of pushback for stating my opinion of Tefler being wrong. Don't worry though, I plan to stick around to say what I feel just as you suggested.

Arrowglass

Glad to hear that Nonconformist! This would be a dull and stale place without the discourse we have. I thoroughly enjoy diverse opinions of those posting! As TSM is not the center of my universe and I do not have the time to spend reading everything here and on Discord, it is a rare pleasure when I can chime in!! There are many good yarns on Patreon and Literotica. One of my favorites (All That Glitters) is even free...LOL!!!

Anonymous

I too am really enjoying All That Giltters, amongst many others

Michael56Smith

.124: Well good for you 'non'Conformist, it sounds as if you might be growing up,.. keep working at it, it will be worth it eventually. And you will know the next time you get a little pushback from a bit of nonsense you write,.. it will help to straighten you out,.. best of luck in all your future endeavors. ;-) TTFN

Nonconformist

Glad to hear that Arrowglass but I see condescending Trolls are still condescending Trolls.

jdg45

Is it the 8th November yet?

Anonymous

Thank you mate. Like I said, I don't read all messages here.

Anonymous

Remember, remember the Eigth of November, The Eldritch Treason and Plot, I know of no reason Why the Eldritch Treason Should ever be forgot. Xar'Aziuth, Xar'Aziuth, t’was his intent To drain the Kyth'faren without sentiment. Three-score lances of Tachyons in tow To avenge old Empires overthrow; By John’s providence he will be catch’d On a dark plane, the burning wretch'd. Holla girls, Holla girls, let the lances sing. Holloa girls, holloa girls, a God slain by a King! And what should we do with him? Burn him!

Nonconformist

Arrowglass please read my reply

Arrowglass

I read you reply...TY...not a problem!!!!!!

Tefler Fan 007

Yeaaaaaa!!!!!😁. It’s November 8th and we should be getting a chapter today. Hopefully 144 will drop earlier than normal and I’ll be able to read it before bed and not have to wait till the morning.

Tefler Fan 007

Looking forward to 144 and what happens on the outer rim and answers to what happened to Jade.

Sceptre

Wow.. we could have an entire new chapter drop on this very day if the schedule holds up. It feels like I read new material for this just last week, and now I'm about to read even more. Tef you can charge me 4 times a month if you wanna keep pumping out content weekly. I'm so down!

Sceptre

8145 x 4 x 12 = 390,960/yr (still allowing for a two week vacation so you don't go mad). At this rate, I (we) would be super content and you, well you could, by this time next year, get a sparkly kitchen to put under that new roof. And while you're at it, new house to go around it. ;) Just gotta keep hammering those keys!!

Michael56Smith

.141" Yeah Joel, Ole Tef could be in line for a goodly bundle of cash, even if a number of his paying fans do follow through and withdraw their Patroen support,.. Well good for Tefler and his family, more money can be a big help raising your kids,.. But, Joel in your calculations you project him making weekly chapter drops,.. now this month he is striving for 3 'smaller' chapters,.. but realistically, about 2 per month of approximately 5K to 8K each seems more likely in the long term,.. that puts his projected word count at almost the same level as when he cranks out a 'longer' half chapter per month ( 12K to 16K per half chapter) we know and he knows that he can do this,.. and instead of only getting paid 6 to 7 times per year, he gets paid monthly ( at nearly double the $$$ amount),.. but we get his installments a couple times a month and if there is a hick-up, then an explanation note is more likely,.. we win, Tef's family wins, and Tef will still write about the same amount of words each month, but both his whining fans and his family are happier (?),.. -- So, we could very likely see TSM #144 later today (this evening?) and I will check to see how 'big' it is (word count) and I'll be pleasantly surprised if it is more than 8000 words, 10,000 tops,.. and that's out from under his 'fixed' and dry roof,.. So Joel, new numbers for you, approximately 7,000 fans X 2 (monthly chapters) X 12 (months per year) = (equals) about $168,000 annually, give or take, quite likely more ($$$) if Tef's fan base still keeps growing and this move doesn't cause many to drop out ( about $25,000+),.. So 150K to 200K per year for TSM's author in the short run,.. yes, he should most definitely keep 'hammering' those keys! ;-) TTFN

jdg45

142 Sigh!!! Just another missed promise.

Anonymous

Anticipation

Tefler Fan 007

Still have time, doesn’t normally post until between 10 pm and 2 am. Eastern time

Anonymous

Thank you Tefler for your commitment to this amazing work. When the next chapter comes out, I will be grateful and I am sure many others will be grateful also. The entire world is a Critic, my challenge to those critics is how many of you are also creators? It is very easy to critique, it is very hard to create. Stay safe and dry!

Anonymous

The clock slowly turns My heart in my throat keeps time A cup of coffee?

Anonymous

Only Michael would believe that paying 3 times as much for content is a 'win' for anyone except the author.

Michael56Smith

.149: Andrew,.. what could be wrong about a person (Tefler) determining the price he'll charge for his work? :-) TTFN

Michael56Smith

.150: ,.. it's late afternoon on the 10th of November,.. we expect Tefler to drop TSM #144, sometime this evening,.. (crosses fingers,.. sips his drink,.. burp!),.. I really hope he doesn't need to put us off again, he was so ambitious,.. I am again hopeful that this (for now) small delay will not keep him from his three chapters (much smaller) for this month,.. and we know he will need a bit of family time in December, so even two little chapters in that month might be too much for our Tef,.. I am still going to see how large or small this first of his lesser sized chapters is, and then figure if he is planning to reduce his monthly word count by much?!! (presses F5 Key),.. ;-) TTFN

Anonymous

Did I say there was anything wrong about determining his own price? All I said was that paying three times as much for content could hardly be regarded as a win for those doing the paying. I wish you could understand that, but it would require you to take a part of Tef's anatomy out of your mouth.

Michael56Smith

.151: Yay! TSM #144 dropped just prior to 7PM (pacific) 10 Nov 2021, almost 19K words, impressive, as our Tef picked up a head cold from his son,.. what a trooper! :-) TTFN