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Angel "Epiphany" 2x16 Reaction (Patreon)

Published:
2020-09-17 01:34:47
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2020-12

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https://www.dropbox.com/s/k0q9nsytemhfgo1/Angel%202X16.m4v?dl=0

https://vimeo.com/458778150

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Y4jJs2ohB8IOF1GJeSLVfWyUYlX7lZp_/view?usp=sharing

 

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Comments

Reed James

So no buffy episode this week either?

SweetSummit
>>44193232

Watch order is the watch order. Yes it's his choice to watch it in the suggested watch order, but it's the order that makes sense to him. Plus he's moving house. I'd politely suggest cutting him some slack.

SweetSummit

I also believe that Kate died and therefore Angel could come in, but if it were indeed the Powers stepping in to let her live so that Angel could save her, I'd be okay with that too. Enjoyed your reaction. This episode has a lot of good moments, even though the rest of the crew still quite aren't there yet.

Steve Quast

Epiphany's one of my favorite episodes or the season. I give it a really strong 9, bordering on a 10. You'll find that in Angel you sometimes have a few smaller arcs within a season rather than having one long arc that covers a full season like Buffy. But then for some seasons you do get a longer arc. I kind of like that the show mixes things up a little rather than following the same pattern every season. Kate having died is a possible explanation for what happened, but I think the scenaro the writers want us to believe is that the powers that be stepped in to save Kate. I love the talk that Angel and Kate had at the end, I love the character bond between Gunn and Wesley, and I love seeing Lindsey getting a well-deserved assbeating from Angel. It all just works really well.

Andrea

No, Angel's never been inside Kate's apartment before. In fact, she explicitly denied him entry one time right after she found out the truth about him. Her having died temporarily is one explanation, and of course it could also be an intervention by the Powers That Be. Kate sees it as the latter, but either interpretation works. That's kind of the nature of faith, so I'm fine with it remaining ambiguous. Angel's curse is that he loses his soul if he has a moment of perfect happiness. Since that only happened last time when he had sex with Buffy, some characters (like Darla) assumed that sex was the key. But it's not. Like Angel said, sex with Darla in that moment was perfect despair, not happiness. This two-parter is definitely one of my faves of the series. I think the combination of Holland Manners' revelation in the previous episode and Angel's whole talk with Kate at the end of this episode really sums up the mission statement of the show: that there is no "winning" in the fight of good vs. evil. The point is to keep fighting the good fight. Angel's whole new outlook, that (paraphrasing) "If this is all there is, if nothing we do matters,...then ALL that matters is what we do" is an expression of the worldview of many atheists, which just so happens to be Joss Whedon's worldview. He didn't write these episodes, but I wouldn't be surprised if that speech came from him. So even if there is no "Heaven and Hell," or no grand reward at the end of Angel's journey for redemption, then all that's left would be his actions in the moment. And this was him realizing that that's reason enough to want to help people and make those actions count. This is where Angel realizes that he's not fighting to "defeat evil" because evil can never be defeated, he's fighting because the fight will always be worthwhile, as every person he's helped and every life he's saved has proven to be. And I personally think that's a rather lovely notion, regardless of one's religious leanings.

Anonymous

I think Kate was still breathing. Angel waved his hand over her nose and mouth and the first thing he does isn't to call 911 but to try to revive by a cold water shower. If she wasn't breathing you would think he would call 911. Plus cold water can't restart a heart. That would need to be done with CPR and the use of a AED. I love this episode and would give it a 9. A couple of the quotes from Angel and Lorne in these one are iconic and have deep meanings. One of them was used on The Daily Show by a women in Russia who was fighting againts the anti-LGBT laws that had just passed.

Vicky N

Deeply philosophical two parter. You are right it kind of felt like a finale. Those two episodes were written by Tim Minear, who also wrote “are you or have you ever been”. The mission statement of the show: if nothing we do matters...., then all that matters is what we do.

Ray D

They are sort of inconsistent at times over what turns Angel into Angelous. But the gist is that, he needs a moment of pure happiness for it to happen and sex with just anyone doesn’t give him perfect happiness. He even told Darla in this episode that he felt perfect despair while they were sleeping together not happiness. As for the Kate stuff, I think that he saying, “you didn’t invite me in” was supposed to let us know that something bigger in the world allowed Angel to come in (probably the powers that be). If you rewatch and pay attention to the dialogue between Holland and Angel last episode and Angel and Kate in this one, you will get what happened to Angel and his epiphany from a philosophical perspective. Holland is telling Angel that everyone has evil in them and it’s all around them. And that he can’t defeat evil. In the end it doesn’t matter because evil always goes on. When Angel has his talk with Kate about nothing mattering he tells her that he’s been fighting all along for redemption or a reward and that those things don’t matter. What does matter is helping people who are in pain. Angel says a line that applies to his new philosophy, “if nothing we do matters, then all that matters is what we do”.

Anonymous
>>44230917

That might be the best line of the show. I think about that line all the time in real life.