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Movie Mindset 02 - Drinks For All My Friends: ‘87 Rourke (Patreon)

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2023-05-03 11:00:04
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Will and Hesse take a look at two films featuring actor Mickey Rourke, both released in 1987: Alan Parker’s Angel Heart and Barbet Schroeder’s Barfly. Both films show off Rourke at the height of his leading-man potential: one as a very beautiful man who is really very evil, and one as a very ugly man with a kind of heart of gold. Our hosts follow Mickey as he battles demons, some of his own creation, some very very egg-eatingly real.

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Michelle S

Someone is up early

Erin Kristina

I was 16 in 1987, never considered Rourke handsome. First saw him in one of the S.E. Hinton films, probably opposite Matt Dillon, so the comparison . I was bugged by his affectation, trying to be James Dean or Marlon Brando in my young cynical mind. I like him more now. We loved Freejack, though, that was a big deal among my friends when it came out.

nota bot

I watched Angel Heart right before I did canvassing work in western North Carolina, and it made the whole thing feel a lot eerier than it needed to be.

Munir hakim

I tell you what, I wore out the VHS tape in angel heart in that one spot if you know what I mean. But watching that movie as an adult was trippy.

Jon Spiegler

Angel Heart is an all timer

Eric K

DeNero as ‘you know who’ is my all time favorite portrayal of our old buddy. Great film, still chilling / one of Rourke’s best performances.

NYCM&AHole

LA sucks no matter what time of day it is

carl

matchpoint--best woody film of the later stuff. I only started watching Allen after the allegations obv

Ted Wood

where did you guys find Barfly? It’s not on any streaming service I can find and the Blu-rays are not compatible with “most players sold in North America” and the DVD for sale in amazon is in Spanish only(based on my many minutes of research)

Owen

re: departed - have you seen infernal affairs? it’s the arguably better hong kong film that the departed is modeled after

Drew McGill

Loving the length of the episodes!

Adam Foster

I haven’t seen Angel Heart but the way you describe it reminds me of Jacob’s Ladder

Canadian Guy

Have you guys seen the original Hong Kong version of Departed?? It is an excellent HK cinema cop thriller

Ozzie

Split Second is top tier schlock. Love that flick! Also fun to imagine a different version of the egg scene where Harry accepts the egg when offered and unwittingly wins his soul back

TallSquirrel

Where can you stream Barfly? I would gladly pay for it. Can't find it anywhere

Tommy

This is my first time hearing "Barfly" pronounced. Devastated to find out it isn't an adverb about puking.

carl

I must add, given the vibe praise of the movie, that a lot of what Bukowski draws upon was from his time in Philadelphia, where he was arrested. (He spent time in the same prison HH Holmes was held/executed in.) The bar was in Fairmount. go '6ers.

Rohmer Simpson
>>107738978

looks like torrenting or sketchy-looking import DVDs on Amazon are the only options

Rohmer Simpson
>>107729638

I'm very fond of Midnight in Paris but imo Cafe Society is pretty great and looks fantastic.

jjmm

Damn, I might have to watch angel heart even after hearing the ending. Sounds great

Matt Boi

It is extremely funny that Robert Rodriguez had Mickey Rourke play “the ugliest and most disfigured guy alive” in 2005’s Sin City

MEAT CLOWN

Maybe movie mindset isn't so lame after all. These movies both sound awesome. I was always curious about Angel Heart but never thought to actually watch it.

I am become reply guy

How terrible is wisdom when it brings no profit to the wise vis-a-vis listening to podcasts

Rohmer Simpson

Haven’t listened to the episode so this may be redundant, but it’s extremely funny that De Niro’s whole getup is goofing on one Martin Scorsese.

Jim Storrie

grats on your heart kill will. you should check out griftlands on steam now

George Lochinski

Not the Outsiders but Rumble Fish according to wiki?

Nick Muscatiello

All right, Movie Mindset is really starting to hit its stride. Great natural back-and-forth, can’t wait to hear more

calvin kilby

angel heart was one of the strangest movies i've ever seen. the part where it just abruptly shifts to the deep south was genuinely jarring.

Nicolay Hristozov

Speaking of Charlotte Rampling, when are you going to review Zardoz (1974)?

Jude Brown

What about an episode on the movie Auto Focus? Totally bonkers shit

Rohmer Simpson

Johnny Handsome is 3 bags of popcorn out of 4 Walter Hill. Pauline Kael shouted out Morgan Freeman and Forest Whitaker - she got in on the ground floor w/ those two guys.

LG

Where can I watch barfly ? Can’t find it on any app or even Amazon

Babcult

Barfly really is so beautiful and lets me paint my drunken youth in roses

Stephanie Krusell

I need you to know that my mom took me to see Angel Heart in the theater when it came out. I begged her, I was a rocker kid really into satanic/occult stuff. I was 12. I still think it’s part of what made me the crazy person I am. I’ve always felt weird for loving that movie. Thanks for loving it too and making me feel less freakish. Xoxo

etienne

somehow both those movies sound like Disco Elysium

Vulpus Redtail

My fursona enjoying the company of some horsey bois https://www.furaffinity.net/user/vulpusredtail/

Scot Forsythe

Rourke also sort of reprises his Man on Fire role in Masked and Anonymous as a sleazy consigliore type, and the Rainmaker actually too…

Dongo

Hesse we need more Brooklyn accent

Zach H.

Anyone interested in Bukowski having written the script should check out his book Hollywood and the story collection The Most Beautiful Woman in Town which inspired a lot of the scenes for Faye Dunaway’s character

Zach H.
>>107765308

Another Charlotte Rampling role to check out would be The Night Porter from the same year

Tim O'Connor
>>107738571

Split Second is an insane movie. The monster is a satanic xenomorph powered by global warming, and Rutger Hauer is trying to do every accent on the eastern seaboard at the same time.

Tony Millionaire

Will pours out the knowledge, love it, but is anyone going tell him to let Hesse have a word or two?

Gary Perry

Yo split second rule!!! So does nemesis!!!

Peter Sullivan

Def need a MM (movie mindset) episode on Heat (1995). I’ll die and go to heaven and cream my pants

Declan Kennedy

Listening to this brought back a repressed memory of watching Angel Heart with my grandmother when I was about 15

kenton

This series good

Calvin Jarrett

Rourke’s voice work in Barfly? That’s what Charles Bukowski sounded like. Watch the Barbet Schroeder doc How Charles Bukowski Actually Talked.

John Williams
>>107780861

Lisa Bonet in James Cangey voice: "See here mack, don't fuck me till the blood come pouring out."

Barton Dudlick

Another great episode. Thanks.

Alexlarson

Barbet Schroeder = Swiss aka "Sweden"

Alexander Patterson

Offing a woman by putting a gun in her cooter needs to be referred to as “a Nick Mullen style murder.”

Rohmer Simpson
>>107783635

Love it when Hesse says “yeah” and “I know right?” and “totally”. Hope to hear more along those lines.

Broadway Joe

I got movie mindset from my uncle who would take me to see a movie every week when I was a kid. He was a huge Mickey Rourke fan and ceaselessly sung the praises of Michael Cimino’s Year of the Dragon

Ricardo

Gotta be year of the dragon for me. Mickey at his most racist

andrew henderson (edited)

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2023-05-04 18:42:49 Apart from his involvement with this movie, Bukowski did the english subtitles on godard's Slow Motion. The scene with the horny young couple waiting for the movie was apparently taken straight from one of his short stories & its so funny
2023-05-04 14:00:01 Apart from his involvement with this movie, Bukowski did the english subtitles on godard's Slow Motion. The scene with the horny young couple waiting for the movie was apparently taken straight from one of his short stories & its so funny

Apart from his involvement with this movie, Bukowski did the english subtitles on godard's Slow Motion. The scene with the horny young couple waiting for the movie was apparently taken straight from one of his short stories & its so funny

Jason Chapa

Loved the Wondorous Physick reference. Need a MM or Chapo episode solely dedicated to Elden Ring.

Nolan

It’s kind of pathetic to be salty towards an entire city because you don’t like that their sports teams are better than yours. Touch grass.

Dan Hunter

Series is such a delight. Thought it would feel a little hollow after the incredibly substantial HOE, but it is juicy up and down, and Will + Hesse exude such love for their film subjects that I am fully infected

Nolan

This guy doesn’t know ball!!!

Seymour Butz

For those struggling to watch Barfly there’s a copy on YouTube: https://youtu.be/nYF3q1KCZnM

Alexander Patterson
>>107785891

Reminds me of De Niro’s final line while Pacino is gently holding his hand. “I told you I was never not going to cream my pants.”

Degrassi Knoll
>>107744504

Same, since they gave it away pretty quickly "wait a minute, I had a headwound around the same time" comments...thought it would be skippable - but this sounds like its got plenty more going for it, way more crazy...with great cinematography esp in the south.

Matt James Rich

Anytime Bill Cosby is mentioned now I just think of Don Lemon saying to bite him on the penis.

Rohmer Simpson

what the hell do you '00s kids know about I COME IN PEACE, which pairs Dolph Lundgren, as a Houston police detective, with DREAM ON's Brian Benben, co-written by David Koepp? they're battling extra terrestrial drug dealers baby.

B Smith

My mom likes to watch and rewatch the same movie over and over again for about a week or two each time and a couple of years ago she got stuck on Angel Heart. I had forgotten about it until this

Morgan spector

It's not Patricia clarkson

Julie Baxter

You must see the Crispin Glover "Twister," Will.

Joe

Interesting connection: the only two film scores that Pink Floyd ever committed themselves to we’re for Barbet Schroeder films, and Alan Parker directed the only film they ever made.

Nick Muscatiello

Mickey moved to Florida when he was young but he was born Irish Catholic in good old Schenectady New York

Rohmer Simpson
>>107838543

I’ve seen it - all I remember is “drink this sonofabitch soda, sweetie” and Dylan McDermott zippo lighter shenanigans. I chatted with Michael Almereyda about it a few years ago; I……. don’t think he was very happy with it.

buttface

These really aren't for me and that's ok I guess.

Rohmer Simpson
>>107820750

It’s crazy that he lost his job because of th———- oh, wow he didn’t? stayed on for several years afterwards?

Huge Logo

Rumble Fish is his best role by a long shot.

Aaron Goad
>>107837076

I haven't listened yet, but I don't see how they do a Rourke pod and not cover rumble fish and the wrestler.

Sean

I don’t see anyone mentioning it so I want to: Angel Heart movie is an unreliable narrator story. So in a lot of scenes we see the main character do things in an order/way that tries to somewhat veil his sins. Working almost like the subconscious mind to build a more acceptable reality. A lot of these realities making it seem like there is no way he could’ve done these crimes. So, in that sex scene with Epiphany, I don’t think it’s that the sex turns evil out of nowhere; I think its just that for the first time we see his constructions of events unveiled in real time. Its like a Lolita situation, where Humbert narrates his seduction by her, but reading between the lines shows her pain from the situation that Humbert refuses to acknowledge. In the movie, right after she is invited into the hotel room, we see a focus on him locking the door. This wouldn’t have been such an important point if they didn’t make it so front and center. I think this refers to his intentions of r*ping her from the very beginning, and that her flirtations are; if not completely a construction of his consciousness, definitely an exaggeration of them. And they are unveiled midway through this scene, showing the horror of what he actually is doing

adam

Man, you’ve got wheels in your head!

William Vetter

I understand I'm a history nerd and not a artist but I found this unlistenable but I'm Alaskan so take it with grain of salt.

Robin

Did I miss it or did they not really get into their interpretations of what the fans represent in angel heart?

dan

outing myself as someone who first learned about mickey rourke when i was a teen and he was in sin city. i cant be the only one. roast me. kill me. i’m gay.

Tristan Clark

I've heard Will talk about Angel Heart at length on the have you seen this? Podcast and this episode was still entertaining AF. Mans might be the GOAT.

Deborah Schwartz

From the very first time I saw his face on the screen in Rumblefish, Mickey was my heartthrob.

Jennifer Reft

Guys he was in "Rumble Fish" NOT "The Outsiders"! Otherwise great episode. There is also a terrific episode on 9 1/2 weeks in "You Must Remember This" podcast. Nobody who reads this will know who Joe Queenan is but he had an awesome piece "Mickey Rourke for a Day" in "If You're Talking to me Your Career Must be in Trouble" which is a gem of a book and well worth the six bucks is going for used.

Drew Elliott

Mickey Rourke's voice in Barfly is the cartoon character Snagglepuss "Heavens to mergatroid"

drewb

Alice Kreig appeared as the Borg queen in both First Contact and Voyager. how could you possibly forget Unimatrix Zero, one of the series' many memorable and engaging storylines?

Ben Walsh

We needs guns! Big guns!

Jess

hey will wanna fuck off with the anti-boston hate?! fuck you.

drewb
>>107896631

I'm sorry you're too good for transwarp lizard babies, Dwayne The Rock Johnson's acting debut, and whatever the fuck Flotter was supposed to be

Jonny Mac

Hesse absolutely killed me with “Freejack-core.”

Jonny Mac

Also, White Sands is sick.

Jonny Mac

Yes. I was surprised at the lack of mentioning Rumble Fish. But it’s kind of an annoying FFC movie.

Big Library
>>107767063

You can try seeing if your local library system has it or if they can pull it from another system on interlibrary loan.

Big Library
>>107738978

You can try seeing if your local library system has it or if they can pull it from another system on interlibrary loan.

William

Will let hesse talk in this one

Gregor Cunningham

As a fellow cineast, I am very much enjoying this series.

Sela Lewis

This had me cracking all morning, thank you 😊

Nolan

What about Barfly but it’s weed.

Corey Reynolds

I couldn’t find Barfly streaming or even to rent on Amazon. *sigh*

Tim Holland

Loving the Movie Mindset eps. Great insights on the films and they're structured and hilarious. Looking forward to listening to others.

I am become reply guy

Hi, philistine here, can someone explain the fan motif in Angel Heart?

Demented Avenger
>>107839114

I was here to say this, but you're missing a few obscure Pink Floyd film scores: the Committee by Peter Sykes from 1968 (which was released on the 1968 retrospective album) and, much more famously, Zabriskie Point by Michelangelo Antonioni in 1970. Both feature variations on "Careful with That Axe, Eugene," the greatest of the pre-"Echoes" Pink Floyd songs.

Peter Sullivan

Fuck off with the Boston hate you silver spoon Manhattanite! (Love you, but knock it off!)

Demented Avenger
>>107765308

Sean Connery in an orange diaper. Lots of boobs (though none of them big). The Wizard of Oz. And it only gets cooler from there.

Demented Avenger

1. These two movies were great, well, at least the hour I could see of Barfly was great. The two Tony Scott movies were meh, though Deja Vu had a very interesting plot. 2. I figured out Mickey Rourke's voice in Barfly: he's doing Snagglepuss! Heavens to Murgatroyd!

Taylor McFarland

The more I think about the more I’m like: “Oh angel heart was pretty neat” “Wow barflies was fucking amazing”

J.P. McD.

The classic adventure game Gabriel Knight: Sins of the Fathers is also a voodoo New Orleans neo-noir with a hot investigator guy and priestess. Dripping with N.O. atmosphere and the GOAT video game voice performances hamming it up with southern and Creole accents. (1993 original, not the remake)

Jonathan Boud

Rourke is worth seeing in Animal Factory, as Jen the Actress.

Thomas Mullane

Hesse's line "you don't want him to get better, you just want him to go fight frank Stallone" had me laughing out loud on a subway.

Sarah Stinard-Kiel

The story I heard was that Cosby threatened Bonet with blacklisting if she did Angel Heart. She told him to fuck off and he basically stalled her career.

Emily Hines

"Is there anyone who can smoke a cigarette better than Rourke?" Mitchum

Maouriceltic

Just saw Year of the Dragon...amazing...all filmednon sets too!

Elijah Crawford

I could just hear Tom Waits' "I hope I don't fall in love with you" playing in my head while Rourke is saying "Drinks for all my friends"

Ben

Really enjoyed this, but I'm sure Alan parker was responsible for moving angel heart to new orleans, not the author of falling angel

atatrs251

I keep going back to this banger of an episode. Also they way Mickey rourke looks today makes you think he's trying to trick the devil.

Ken K.

Hesse’s “Brooklyn guy” is my favorite ear candy.