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Supernatural 4x3 - STREAM ALONG!!! (Patreon)

Published:
2019-11-09 22:31:00
Edited:
2020-02-21 23:14:13
Imported:
2021-04

Content

"In The Beginning"

REACTION HIGHLIGHTS LINK: https://vimeo.com/371973855/e57c9d8c0c

REVIEW AFTER REACTION Begins At: 44min 01 seconds

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EPISODE SYNOPSIS:

Dean time travels to the past where he uncovers the truth behind his mother MARY's identity, his grandparents, and even John Winchester...


Files

Supernatural 4x3 STREAM ALONG In The Beginning

Comments

Master Oogway

Dean didn't do much probably speeded up the meeting with the yellow eyed demon, Samuel was already working on the case of demonic omens and dean joined in after and told him straight away who it was(At least that's how I see it)

Annie R. James

We learned the huge bomb that Mary was a hunter, something only hinted at in the past - like her recognizing the yellow-eyed demon. But most importantly, this episode was about what Dean was learning - we also learned that Sam never told Dean about the demon blood that he learned about in the S2 finale. We also know that the angels would rather show than tell and that they aren't happy with Sam and whatever he's up to with Ruby. We get an awesome time travel episode out of it - why complain? :P

Toasted Toad

Hmmm. Not sure what to say here. This episode seems to have completely passed you by. It's regarded by most as a superb episode. You got tied up a lot in wondering why the episode happened at all. Well, why do any of these episodes happen? It's TV. Cas could have sat down and told Dean a few things, but Dean is not a trusting person and barely knows Cas - why would he believe anything Cas said? We could have Dean and Sam sitting down telling each other about a hunt that they did the other day. That is not going to make for interesting TV. I think finding out that the Campbells were hunters is a great twist. Dean's knowledge in the past was not changed at all - no conflict. Mary did not learn Dean was her son or that Yellow Eyes would kill her - Dean's advice was non specific. John certainly did not find out about anything. He learned about hunting after Mary's death. In fact, we have already been told where he started off - in the episode "Home" his diary said that Missouri clued him in on what was really going on. In that same episode, Mary said "I'm sorry" to Sam. This is why. It was a lesson in futility for Dean - no matter what he did, how much he tried to change the past, he could not affect the present. In fact, he might even have caused it (although my own belief is that, even if he had not gone back, something else would have occurred to make things turn out the way they did). All he can do, by his actions now, is affect the future. We knew what Yellow Eyes did to Sam (he showed Sam in a vision), but Dean didn't. We learn that Mary is partly culpable for what happened to both Sam and herself through making that deal. We're also learn that Yellow Eyes had other plans than the "demon army" but we don't know what, and clearly, neither do the angels. The scenes between Dean and Mary were heartbreaking. I don't know what makes you think there would be any bloopers there? Jensen is not going to be mucking around when he's in a scene requiring him to get really emotional. Be patient - Seasons 4 and 5 tie a lot of plot together. Answers to most things will come but not necessarily immediately. p.s. convention is to refer to the grandfather as "Samuel" to distinguish him from Sam.

Jennifer Lundstrom

Hang on! There is a reason this episode ended with a "to be continued" instead of wrapping it up as usual. And remember the psychic Missouri? She is the one who told John about monsters and demons - I always thought that's how he got started as a hunter. Can't wait for more Season 4 reactions :)

Noar

This is very much a character driven show - even though the weekly enemies are monsters. I think everyone should take away whatever they want from an episode, but there definitely is a point in making Dean live though it rather than just tell him what the angels know. Dean with his everlasting mistrust and loyalty to his brother, he would have never believed them like he does now. He wouldn't do what they want him to do, in this case, search for Sam. And, you're supposed to wonder why they are doing things that way, not every reason will be revealed at the end of an episode. great reaction :)

sarahzentexas

Silly boys. He went back so John would buy the Impala and not a VW van! No but seriously, I take it neither of you have ever watched the X Files, or you would have known who Kim Manners was, and you would instantly have recognized the grandfather as Asst Director Skinner of the FBI from that show. Also, this is part 1 of a 2-parter, and I believe the angels want Dean to stop what’s going on in the second half. I think they just wanted him to fully understand the sad legacy of his family. It wasn’t all on John—this all started with Mary. Dean had NO IDEA about the YED bleeding into Sam’s mouth in the nursery, and Sam never would have told him. The shame! Don’t worry, alllllll of this info comes back into play in season 5 in a major way. These two seasons are like an onion. Enjoy the peeling of the layers.

sarahzentexas

PS—It’s ghosts who can’t touch iron. Demons can touch iron, no problem. Demons are hurt by holy water.

thereelrejects
>>28810184

Ahh sorry haha, the Dean blooper comment was a joke (seeing them break in the gag reels during a couple serious scenes was fresh in our minds this week from the S3 reel). Comment was intended for silly irony (in actuality, thought those scenes played really well &amp; loved the emotional context for Dean), but sometimes we don't get it all the way across, I suppose 😅 Definitely appreciate all that we learned through this episode. I can't remember the exact comment you're referring to off the dome (I guess we spent more time here making sense of certain things than talking about what we appreciated), but at least in hindsight &amp; especially from an emotional, character standpoint, I can definitely see why this episode happened - and fully agree that SHOWING rather than telling is best here. At least looking back I don't have any gripe about the overall concept of this episode. Loved that Dean is thrust back, solo into this scenario. Loved the Back to the Future-ish quality &amp; the twist with his mom, the little details coming together as to the timing of her death, her direct involvement in that, the infiltration with Yellow Eyes, the pure bonding moments between Dean &amp; young John, Dean having the dot connected about Sam &amp; the Demon blood (full recollection of that one was a little fuzzy, admittedly). And the very natural way to drive a wedge of conflict &amp; suspicion between Dean &amp; Sam - Demons &amp; Angels, etc. The main hangup I recall was with the mechanics &amp; rules of this transportive experience Dean was going through and how it tied into what I took to be a fatalist message from Castiel? I think something about the nature of the experience didn't quite click.. couldn't 100% tell if it was a Scrooge-esque sorta metaphysical simulation or if he actually, physically put Dean there &amp; those events really happened (thus illustrating there's nothing he can do to avoid their outcome). I like how you've posed it here - you can't do anything about the past, all that matters is what you do in the present... Maybe just something Castiel said? In that moment back in the present I got this weird sense that the message was about fate and not being able to change it, which somehow didn't read to me.. as it serves the character, definitely - but I guess it sorta confused me as to what sort of universe this is? It made me think of The Time Machine.. but perhaps I misinterpreted something. I'm not sure entirely. Perhaps I'll go back in for a re-watch haha. Either way, really loved the supporting cast (will keep Samuel vs. Sam in mind!). Sorry if we tanked your enjoyment of rewatching this one any! Will keep this one in mind for future. One thing that occurs to me also is that we have been subjected to A LOT of time-travel scenarios in media lately, which are frequently self-aware and spouting various rules &amp; theories, which inevitably comes with a can of technical worms - which perhaps we've been forced to dig around in a bit too frequently of late 😅Wonder if we might've slipped in better without that noise 🤔

thereelrejects
>>28810079

Haha sorryyyy! Really wasn't trying to complain 😅 I think what happened is we loved most all the context - the "what," I think we got sorta hung up on the "how." Left this one feeling sort of confused as to whether this was a legitimate time travel ep. or some sort of Christmas Carol-esque moral simulation based in past events.. And given the possibility of time travel I think we've just taken in too much of those stories lately, perhaps. The amount we've had to think about &amp; discuss time-travel mechanics lately has been.. a lot 😅so that could've factored in, subconsciously. Don't wanna belabor that tho, because I thought the context was great. Loved the revelation about Mary &amp; her family, John being the innocent country boy, the fact that this wasn't just some freak demon encounter, but the fallout from a DEAL.. And then yeah, the wedge this is gonna drive further between Sam &amp; Dean for the foreseeable future.. I also feel like our overall response to this one could be fleshed out once we've seen the second half, so not resting toooo hard on some of the gripes for this ep. And yeah, some of the literal mechanics aside - super fun to get Dean's very own time-travel ep!! 😄

Melanie LeBlanc

It's not Back to the Future without an uncomfortable incest kiss, haha. I'm not gonna rail you about "not getting" the episode like I see others have. I loved the reaction. Like always, you guys made laugh. You noticed the important points they were setting up, and I'm sure you'll appreciate the end result. Much love guys!

Vel

The first time I saw this episode, I was pretty confused myself regarding Dean's involvement. I mean, he was the reason John bought the impala AND he had John's journal, which put Mary right in the crosshairs of the YED. Had Dean not told them that the YED would be at Liddy Walsh's house, would she still have had a run in with him? There's a possibility, I suppose. This episode also made me suspicious of the angels and their intentions.

Jessica McGuire

When the YED showed Sam the past, it was made very clear that it was just an image of what had already happened and that Sam couldn't interact with anyone. The YED's reaction to what Dean told him about traveling from the future implies that Dean really was there, since he confirmed what Bobby found, that only angels have the power to actually send people back in time. It's implied that Dean was always back in the past during that episode, since we saw the YED offering the deal to Liddy, but, according to John's notes, she was found gutted in her home that night. The demon had no reason to kill her if she hadn't seen what happened and Samuel and Mary had no reason to go there and interrupt the deal making without Dean's input. That part of things is the typical time-loop paradox. If Dean hadn't been sent back, would the past have occurred as it did and was he sent back specifically to cause those events to happen as they did? Also, Misha, Castiel's actor, to me, is doing a really good job of portraying an angel as a soldier, fighting a war. And, if you remember, Castiel said that angels haven't interfered with mankind for 2,000 years, so apparently, being sent back in time isn't something that's happened very much. Or to very many people. Supernatural tends to have a main mystery or challenge that the characters have to resolve and each episode has threads throughout it that tie into whatever the main big deal is at the time, as you know. The thing is, with this season, they started being much less obvious about what that main deal might be. Not only are they trying to solve the problem, but the problem itself is a mystery that has to be figured out. You, as the watcher, have to try to figure it out as they go along. Right now, you just don't have enough clues, any more than the brothers do.

wendy farrell

Love the reveals about Mary in this episode and the deal that prexisted that John, Dean and Sam's knowledge. I think destiny will readjust even if Dean wasn't there originally the events will still unfold. I also think it shows almost a cruelty to the angels in that they knew what was going to happen and how it would effect Dean and they didn't care, they just wanted to make a point.

thereelrejects
>>28811348

Ahhh, most certainly! I've kinda left my feelings soft on this episode due to that fact - we got a whole other half that could expound upon the first in some way! And I do remember Missouri! I suppose she still could've had a hand in John's development as a hunter, but either way it was pretty cool to see they got it passed down from Mary's family. Excited for the next installment!!

thereelrejects
>>28812031

Very good point! I think "pointless" may have been the wrong angle here, I'll have to go back and revisit our discussion at some point haha. But yeah, while we may have gotten hung up on some of the mechanics, I thought we got some really great character beats. Loved the twist with Mary &amp; her family - and that's a great point that he needed to see all this in order to be convinced into going after Sam... Also a good point haha, I think I said it somewhere else, but I'm keeping my feelings on this one soft until we've at least seen the next one. Hard to say for certain, but I think we've been seeing a lot of time-travel scenarios lately with a lot of windy rules (or lack, thereof), so I think some of this maybe had to do with that being fresh in our minds 😅 Either way, glad you still enjoyed the video! Looking forward to the next episode!!!

thereelrejects
>>28812336

Hahaha of course! How could we have been so blind?! 😝 And sadly neither of us has seen very much X-Files 😅we do know Kim Manners' name, but only from his work on various aspects of this show. And yeah, I imagine we're not supposed to have the whole picture by the end of this episode as it directly alludes to being a 2-parter. Did recall Sam learning about the demon blood, but I think there it may have been fuzzy in our minds that we know, but *Dean doesn't* - so that's definitely crucial as well. Logistics aside, though, loved a lot of the character elements, especially with Mary &amp; her family. It's funny, I've noticed that season 4 and 5 often go hand-in-hand when people talk about their favorite stretches of the show. Very intrigued by the layers to come!!

thereelrejects
>>28814710

LOL I suppose you could definitely say that 😅haha glad you enjoyed the reaction! I think we got held up in some of the logistics, but overall still enjoyed it quite a bit - glad we were able to bring ya some giggles!! Also doing our best to remember that this appears to be, at very least, a 2-parter.. excited to see what's next. Much love to you as well!! 😊

thereelrejects
>>28819486

Oh good haha, seems like a minority, but glad we weren't the only ones 😅can certainly see why this episode might make ya a bit suspicious of a lot of things. I feel like someday we'll have to go back over this one haha, but suffice to say - poor Liddy Walsh! Nervous and fascinated as to what the next one's gonna be, as it seems like Dean and Sam are on a collision course 😰

thereelrejects
>>28843557

Ahhh, okay. Some of the finer details, especially from past episodes, can get a bit blurry - appreciate you clarifying! I'm always reminded of Looper when discussions of time travel come up these days.. "that shit fries your mind" 😅 also a good point re: the angels not having interfered in 2,000 years. Guess that makes Dean one of a precious few time-travelers.. Loving getting to know Castiel so far &amp; really enjoying Misha Collins' performance! He does wear that "sense of glorious purpose" (not to ape an MCU quote 😅) really well. Really enjoying the chemistry he and Dean have been developing. And this last bit here is pretty exciting from a writing standpoint! We'll have to keep our eyes all-the-more peeled moving forward. Even though we're only 3 in thus far, it does feel like the writing's taken on a bit more weight - and the format seems further away from being monster-of-the-week-ish. Always fun when we're locked into the mystery with our heroes. Excited for the next one!!

thereelrejects
>>28857716

Likewise! I think the only thing that truly confuses me is what they're saying about destiny here, but I'll wait until we've seen the next part to keep unpacking this haha. But loved the character beats, especially with Mary &amp; her family. As for the Angels, it's definitely a cold dose of medicine for poor Dean, but.. if he's gonna help Castiel pursue Sam, I guess he needed to see all that 😣Nervous &amp; excited to hop on the next one!!

Steve Rivera

I think many people said it already. From a practical standpoint, this is an episode that helps bridge a gap that began in the season 2 finale with Sam seeing his mom knew Azazel. Because of the writers strike, they weren't able to in season 3. And the point of literally taking him there is to drive the gravity of the situation about Sam. Of course, if you just tell him, it is still a grave situation. But he needed to see. He needed to see everything. How his mom felt about hunting. How she also made a deal like Dean. And how it's all intimately connected. All these things that happened in season 1 and 2 happened a while ago, and both Dean and the audience needed to see what actually happened in their history and fill in the holes. And now he needs to stop Sam. Also it seems you guys often forget and yeah you watch a lot of things it's hard to remember I get it but yes, John only became a hunter after Mary died. He didn't know Mary or her parents were hunters. He learned everything himself. That's why it was kind of a shock that Mary was a hunter. And with that revelation, Castiel brings up the theme of destiny. The usual time travel trope arises: maybe Dean NEEDED to be taken back in time. Becasue that is destiny. He needed to be present in the past becasue that is cemented in the timeline. Yay pradoxes 🤣

TALKINGIBBERRISH

It shows that dean can’t save his family, sometimes things are meant to be and can’t change destiny, even tho you probably found this out

Steven Wise

I just recently joined your Patreon I haven’t laughed so hard in a while, but this storyline goes way back to episode home. I don’t know if you recall when Mary told Sam “I am Sorry” in the episode Home. When Sam was pinned up against the wall from the poltergeist. Idk if anyone told you, but Kripke already had the story The Winchester story completely finished. Everything ties in very well together.