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00:00 Sexual attraction with safety

02:19 Cheating monologues & overt conversations

15:35 Blindsided without closure in therapy

25:04 Can a therapist wear too many hats?

34:21 Is it normal not to do intake paperwork?

40:45 Are fast and loose ethics helpful?

56:12 Is there a wrong reason to be a therapist?

1:05:14 Couples Therapy

1:12:55 Recording with Bob

1:17:11 Gifts for Bob

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February 16, 2024

The Psychology In Seattle Podcast ®

Trigger Warning: This episode may include topics such as assault, trauma, and discrimination. If necessary, listeners are encouraged to refrain from listening and care for their safety and well-being.

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Anonymous

I don't think Kirk coddles men. On the contrary, he's incredibly fair-minced in every reaction video I've watched (alas, not a YouTube channel member, so I haven't seen the Couples Therapy ones).

SeattleTransAndNonbinary ChoralEnsemble

Usually I agree with Kirk & Bob’s advice, but what they said to the second writer made me feel like I was from another planet. 1. From my observation, searching through a person’s phone is done with a subconscious motive of externalizing emotions of anger and jealousy onto the unfaithful partner by finding something to get mad about. Let’s say the writer is a petite white diabetic and the porn is of super sized big beautiful black ladies sitting on cake. If she had found evidence of an affair she would be upset because of the prior infidelity. If she had found neither porn nor email histories but had found a dick pic she would get mad thinking “who are you sending these to?” If his whole phone was squeaky clean but he watched an episode of Nailed It once, she’d be mad wondering “I bet he’s fantasizing about Nicole Byers every time we make love.” If she found cake recipes because he was going to bake her one for Valentine’s Day she would be upset because it brought back bad memories. There is no instance where looking at your partner’s phone when you’re still mad about them cheating on you, will make you feel reassured or love them more. 2. I agree with Dan Savage that the universe’s punishment for snooping is having to see things you don’t want to know about. You had a don’t ask don’t tell agreement because on some , level, you know that hearing or seeing evidence of it, will make you miserable, whereas out of sight out of mind. You are violating the spirit of the agreement and subjecting via amplifying jealousy, yourself to torture for no good reason. 3. Letting your partner look through your phone is like taking a polygraph test from the police; Whether you are cheating on your partner or not, it is only going to make things worse by giving them things to misconstrue and creating a power dynamic where you having no privacy is normalized. You can’t control whether someone wants to hang you, but you don’t have to volunteer to braid the rope for them as if that good deed is going to delay the execution. 4. human beings are attracted to more than one person. Of course he is looking at ChubbyCakeSistas.xxx when he has the real thing to satisfy his need for women who look like you. In a certain sense, wouldn’t it be worse if he were looking at porn of women who looked like you because that would imply that you weren’t enough? 5. On that note, no person satisfies every single one of their partner’s sexual interests, many of which may be mutually exclusive. as a bisexual who dates other bi people, I know, for a fact I can’t satisfy all of my partner’s desires, because I am not a woman. I could be 7 feet tall, with well groomed beard, giant tits, a dick AND a pussy and still not satisfy him because I’m not a pair of anime twins with cat ears. Having a variety of tastes does not mean that they will never be monogamous. It just means that I need to accept that they’re going to have a fantasy life that involves people that don’t look like me. Take a tip from the bisexuals of the world and understand that even within heterosexual relationships those fantasy lives, and other surmountable incompatibilities like different sex drives, different fetishes, and all the other things out there that people either get over or let ruin their relationship. 6. Perhaps the biggest danger of demanding access to your partner’s phone is not his lack of privacy nor your lack of reassurance nor its ineffectiveness at deterring infidelity, but that coming to believe that it is normal will slowly and insidiously turn you into the sort of demanding, controlling, invasive partner that will repel the love of your life, the person who wouldn’t have ever considered cheating, but also isn’t willing to tolerate even low level coercion in their relationships. 7. Like me. I’ve never cheated on a partner in my life, but one who wanted to read all my messages would be a deal breaker. Sadly, they would probably leave assuming that they dodged a bullet because they believe the cultural lie that considers jealousy to be a positive or necessary part of relationships and thus assume that I would only insist on having privacy if I had something hide. 8. When does the suspicion stop being reasonable? Installing surveillance cameras? Setting up your phone to alert you every time they leave the apartment so you can track them on gps? Calling them asking where they are when they’re a minute late from work? Madness! Being cheated on sucks, but the paranoia and suspicion are what will destroy your relationship, your future relationships and eventually your mind.

Anonymous

I see what you’re saying with a number of the concerns you have. That being said, your response gives me the impression you have an axe to grind here. You’re making a lot of definitive statements, like “this will never work” and “this will destroy your relationships.” I feel the reality is that neither you nor I (nor anyone else but the listener) knows what will or won’t work for them. It’s clear you feel strongly about this topic, and I respect that and your perspective, but I do think you’re approaching this very dualistically without much room for the nuance inherent in these complicated situations.