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Journalist and former CEDU student David Safran joins us to talk about his experience assisting a detective at the San Bernardino Sheriffs Department in investigating the disappearance of three children from the behavioral modification program CEDU between 1993-2004, and how the department moved to block the investigation and shut it down.

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Joshua Tree

This could be a interesting interview if you guys talked to Bhad Bhabie about Dr Phil and her time at a Provo Canyon School or even Paris Hilton #BreakingCodeSilence https://youtu.be/ShFpGNbUM4A or https://youtu.be/7xS68mYAzDg

A.S.

Good ep. Thanks for this. You guys should bring Nassim Taleb on here. That’d be a joy ride.

Katy Gruenbaum

Best episode by far-I have DM do you all in the past but my name is Katy Gruenbaum and my aunt Ellen Gruenbaum is an American anthropologist who helped and female circumcision in Sudan in the 60s. Her and her husband Norman O’Neill a fellow scholar, live in Redlands California nearing San Bernardino. I messaged you all once before and DMG to have a retreat at her home in California as I am a friend of Brad Troemel’s and I believe I could help you with this case

Katy Gruenbaum

But if you don’t see this while I’m in California jan10-17, I’ll be seeing you in Denvahh! Colorado!!!!!! For valentines… I have a theory on black holes and hearts so how serendipitous

Anonymous

Great!!!

Joshua Tree

Let me just say something about San Bernardino County Sheriff’s Dept. I was on a search and rescue for missing person Joseph John Alvarez Espinosa in May, 2021 who was last seen by his grandmother walking into the open desert with little water and no food. The SBCSD refused to provide air support in the search because a county employee supposedly saw “Joey” walking along the highway. They believed him to be transient and would turn up. They also bungled the missing persons investigation of Lauren Cho who vanished under strange circumstances and then turned up dead months later on the same property she was living on. NO ONE was arrested and her cause of death is inconclusive. They are incompetent at best and have a very outdated mindset when it comes to missing persons in my view.

Anonymous

I went to one of these schools in oregon. Really identify with the part about not being able to seek out therapy because of my experience being experimented on in these emotional growth curriculum program

Jordan Thompson

what is the trueanon take on programs like outward bound? has this been said before?

Anonymous

is this episode the same as the one on spotify? or am i tripping balls

Adam H.

They talk about it in The Game. It's the "detox" stage before you go to the school.

Anonymous

Striking how similar all the tactics are to Scientology. A cult is a cult is a cult.

Cara

The Canadian equivalent of this is just giving up your children to the crown- I know some kids that got sent to these programs in like Utah and while I was a teen living in group homes as a ward of the crown the staff would sometimes hold these places over our heads like at least your not pissing in a hole in the desert right now or w.e

Katy Gruenbaum

Update my cousin is a paralegal for the state of California and they are aware of the San Bernardino cover up. That’s all she can tell me baby