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Episode 18: DARPA Marx (Patreon)

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2019-10-15 06:26:12
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2024-03-04 01:50:33
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Brace and Liz are joined by Ben Tarnoff, founding editor of Logic Magazine, to figure out what the hell is going on with this internet business.

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Cal Fenton

I agree with Liz concerning 'digital labour' or whatever we want to call it. Just arguing for a compensation for your commodities data is insufficient, and not a move away from capitalist social relations, in fact, the opposite. It reminds me of the 'Wages For Housework' movement in the '70s arguing that since domestic labour was not commodified and compensated to housewives in the form of a wage, it was a contradiction. It is a helpful argument only to expose the limits/contradictions of capitalism, but not as an actual demand. Labour itself is abstract here and surely the point is that the entire valuation of it needs to be abandoned? Reforms in policy will never be anti-capitalist. Only ending production of value. Labour as a commodity should be abolished, not new forms of it discovered, recompensed and integrated into the market. Also, dead right about the speculative nature of it, they're profitable due to market-valuation, not for necessarily for their production itself. Right now Capital is sitting on these companies and seeing when the crunch happens, how they can open new avenues for exploitation. But I think it's best service to capitalism is as an effective system to channel advertising/propaganda.

L

*ahem* ancestry.com *ahem* Fit bit *ahem* bio data hoarding *ahem

Dr. Lumpenjoker

God porn, of course: Jacking off to infinity while listening to the sublimes

Benjamin Cheney

Everyone must read Surveillance Valley as well

Gabo Goff

Can we get a discount code for logic?

Kevin Tabor

I think the Lutz Dammbeck documentary The Net is a really great companion to this interview.

Kevin Tabor
>>28003475

and Stuart Pivar might have been confused about which Epstein he was connecting to Ted Kaczynski...

Quincy Judd

Great fucking sode

Mike Bilbe-Taylor

Really great episode, where can I find the show notes?

Jacques Robespierre

Having been in the military, Liz’ theory about the professionalization of the military removing many of its ideologues is true, but it’s largely been replaced with the same, softer, quieter ideology that pervades the rest of our liberal bureaucracy that is at times infinitely crueler. I know current and former officers who see no problem considering themselves “on the left” without feeling shame or regret or having any kind of moral opposition to anything they were asked to do.

Anonymous

Nobody mentioned Yasha Levine's book "Surveillance Valley"... seems surprising.

Monty Tenderson

these kinds of episodes (which includes the recent one with Jodi Dean) are incredibly good and incredibly helpful/important

Knosnothing

Awe they were so young and enthusiastic and Liz's voice sounds a little different

Daniel
>>84938999

Her voice really does sound a bit different … guess 200+ episodes of podcasts could do that to a person. V cute to revisit this after nearly 3 years(!!!!). Such home-y vibes when they recorded like this pre covid times