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Spider-Man: No Way Home (2021) (Patreon)

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2022-06-18 16:39:57
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2023-01

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Full link: https://youtu.be/L-dCmKvAeIY

CAN YOU BELIEVE I'M WATCHING THIS ONE :D. Honestly, It's been such a ride to watch all the previous movies that I can almost not believe I actually got to this movie, haha! I loved it though and boooooy am I grateful that I watched the other movies first. I thought it was already nice when we just had the enemies, let alone what followed after! :) Let me know your thoughts!

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Connor Ellis

The lawyer that caught the brick was Daredevil. He had a 3 season Netflix show and they will be bringing him back.

Anonymous

You should really watch Sonic the Hedgehog and its sequel. Both are so much fun.

Tommy B-Bear

Into the Spiderverse is another absolute must-see, it's breathtaking

Tyler Foster

Like Galen, I have had mixed feelings about the movies and shows in Phase 4 (it produced "Loki," which is maybe my second-favorite MCU entry of all, but then I was not as impressed by Shang-Chi or Eternals), but this is definitely high in the MCU canon. It is incredible how the screenwriters managed to not only continue the arcs set up by the three previous Holland Spider-Man movies, but then also pick up and continue dramatic arcs from five other Spider-Man movies, and weave them together in a way where none of them felt overly short-changed and they all continued with what the other movies had established. The ending also addresses a long-standing complaint from some fans of the comics. As in Sam Raimi's Spider-Man 2, Peter Parker is, in classic comic book history, a kid who is always struggling and comes from limited means. Many people were frustrated that this version of Peter Parker is friends with the richest man in the world, and has all of these fancy gadgets he just handed over to him. By erasing everyone's memory of Peter, Peter no longer has access to the Stark technology and has to make his own suit at the end, and is living in a dingy apartment like Tobey's Peter was, so I think that is yet another clever thought on top of everything else. As for the end credits, the rights relationship between Sony and Marvel is complicated. When Sony licensed Spider-Man decades ago, before the Sam Raimi movies, they received the rights to Spider-Man and his entire rogue's gallery of villains. Later, after the Amazing Spider-Man movies were not as successful as Sony had hoped and they brokered a deal to involve Spider-Man in the MCU, the deal only applied to the Spider-Man character. That means that Sony is still free to make movies based on Spider-Man villains that they have full control over without consulting Marvel. Since Sony can't use Spider-Man without Marvel's approval, their Venom movies don't acknowledge Spider-Man or any other MCU characters, which is easiest to explain by simply saying it's not the same universe. Here, they used the post-credit scene to leave behind a bit of the symbiote, so that Venom as a character can remain in his universe and they can continue to make whatever films they want about him, but they could still potentially do a future Spider-Man story involving the symbiote in co-operation with Marvel.

Daryl

I enjoyed this more the second time around after coming off watching the past Spidey movies more recently. But I had to examine the cause and effect logic in having Peter be forgotten by everyone. He still would have been there for all the previous events, but they just don't remember that he was. Which would explain why MJ and Ned are still such close friends. Less so why Happy knows Aunt May. Or does it? It's a puzzling thought experiment for me.

Tyler Foster
>>86056264

I assume the writers came to the conclusion that while this is complicated, it is 1) magic and 2) they can figure out some version of how that is meant to work in the future.

Mike LL

You were a great sport to see all the 5 previous movies with the previous Spider-Men. As you see, this movie had ALL the feels. And even with all the preparation of seeing those movies, no one was prepared to lose sweet Aunt May. Great reaction to an amazing, spectacular movie. We had even wanted for you to see something to prepare for seeing that blind lawyer at the beginning of the movie. I had suggested just watching the first episode of the Daredevil series that is now on Disney+, it is OK that you haven't, I had suggested it because it introduces an interesting character, and it is a self contained legal procedural episode by itself, that is why I thought you might have liked it. Thanks for being a great sport, Mary.

David Olden

Loved your reaction, Mary, as always. Disney+ drops Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness on Wednesday (June 22, 2022). (3 days 4 hours to go! But who’s counting…)

Tyler Foster
>>86055933

I agree, although Mary will probably want to take a little break before watching a sixth Spider-Man movie!

Tyler Foster

Also, good news, Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness arrives on Disney+ in 4 days (June 22nd).

Bryan Tuck

If you're in a " multiverse" mood, you might really enjoy "Everything Everywhere All At Once." It just came out this year; not sure if it's been released in Belgium yet. But if it's available to you, I highly recommend it. It's funny, sad, exciting, and weirdly life-affirming. :)

Phillip D Piris

You really don't have to get into the venom/morbius side of things. There's a reason why only part of the symbiote stayed behind and that's because the MCU wants nothing to do with the terrible, Sony developed spider-verse. They'd rather make a movie starring Venom that's actually good. 😂 They did make a great animated movie called 'Into the spider-verse' though! I couldn't recommend that more.

Eric
>>86083696

Yeah, I'll second the "skip Venom" sentiment. I think it's a pretty bad movie; it's maybe not terrible, but it's not good and it's *boring*. Venom is a character created when Peter/Spidey rejects the symbiote and it latches onto someone else; it mirrors his powers because it had a relationship with him and both the symbiote and its host have complicated feelings towards Peter. It's kind of the whole deal with the character. To some degree the character has evolved past being tied to Spiderman, its not *just* a Spidey villain, but cutting Spiderman out of its origin story fundamentally changes the character, makes it not really Venom. Theoretically, maybe you could make a good Venom movie even without having access to the rights to Spiderman... but Sony definitely didn't pull it off. To me, it's eminently skippable. As far as I'm aware, the only reason you need to know anything about the SPUMM is because of that after-credits stinger you just saw. So... not at all.

Eric

A couple things: 1 - Uncle Ben would've already told Pete "with great power comes great responsibility", we just didn't see it in the MCU because we already had those 2 origin stories with the Tobey Maguiderman then Andrew Garfiederman movies; the MCU decided to skip that and just get to him being Spiderman, so he was dropped fully formed into Civil War. Aunt May was just reiterating it. But yeah, that was the first time it was said on-screen in the MCU. 2 - I love how quickly your "I love this" when Aunt May said it changed to "I hate this" when she died. 3 - The reason they had the Willem Dafoe Goblin back was... well, you saw it: dude is INSANE as an actor. He pretty quickly broke the GG mask in this one; I assume so he could actually act, which was a perfect choice. Masterful. He's so expressive; he did a great job, as you noted, with Aunt May at the food shelter when he was lost and confused, but then is SO creepy and evil when being the Green Goblin. His performance alone made No Way Home a home run. 4 - Maybe my favorite moment was when Garfield saved MJ; I didn't see that as sad at all, it's great that he was able to be there for her this time, kind of redemptive. 5 - Although the most satisfying part of the movie might've just been the banter between the three Spidermen before the final showdown; just sharing stories and being supportive. The conflict is what makes the story one worth telling, but moments like those are what makes me actually care about the story: because I like and care about the characters.

Tyler Foster
>>86097147

Since we did not see Ben say it, these are saying that in Holland's universe, it comes from May. If she was restating it, then Holland would have had a different reaction on the rooftop to the other two Spider-Men's reveal that Uncle Ben said it on the day he died.

Tyler Foster
>>86083696

The idea that Sony is not entirely to mostly responsible for ALL the Spider-Man movies, including the MCU entries, is incorrect. Per interviews with Feige himself, Sony and Marvel develop the story together, and Marvel approves Sony's picks for major players (Holland, for example, as well as Watts), and they approve the script, but the actual production of the film, from beginning to end, is Sony's responsibility, including marketing and releasing it (it's worth pointing out that a huge piece of NWH's success is based on nostalgia for at least five Spider-Man movies that Sony produced entirely on their own). Marvel was also not creatively involved with Into the Spider-Verse, which I think is the best of all of these movies. It does sound like Morbius sucks, and audiences responded appropriately. I can only speak for myself, but I think the first Venom movie is a delight. It is worth pointing out that the first one almost made a billion dollars and the second one still did about 5x its budget during a low box office pandemic period, so I can't be alone. Admittedly, I don't care whether or not it's a faithful representation of the character, just that they're fun movies and (so far) they have not been dependent or tied into any other movies in an important way, so they're kind of refreshing one-offs where you don't have to know a bunch of stuff or do any homework.

Phillip D Piris
>>86083696

Nobody said Sony had nothing to do with the MCU Spiderman movies. I think we're just saying Sony's recent Spiderman adjacent entries that don't have Marvel's oversight, are lackluster. They're weirdly outdated by today's standards and they have subpar writing. I think it's pretty telling that Marvel took the best parts of the previous Spiderman franchises and incorporated them into the story, and completely left Venom until an after credits scene. A scene that basically says "we want nothing to do with Sony's version of venom. We'll write a new one." I've never been somebody to look at box office numbers and decide that, that's what makes it a great movie. It feels like any success that's been afforded to venom has been whatever they can soak up off the coattails of the MCU. The "In Association with Marvel" logo isn't worth nothing. I'm sure the casual movie watcher has no idea what is MCU and what isn't.

Eric
>>86097147

He becomes Spiderman because of that moment; since he's Spiderman, I assume he had that moment even though it wasn't shown. Just as I assume he was bitten by a radioactive spider despite not being shown it. I'm not sure why his reaction on the rooftop would make somebody think Ben didn't say it first. I don't think it would've been appropriate for him to say "oh yeah, my uncle said it too, but more recently my aunt when she died." It would've been weird to be pedantic about it.

Eric
>>86083696

I just think Venom was bad and boring. I thought not having access to the source material made it an uphill battle, and they weren't able to overcome that. Like I said, not impossible, but they didn't pull it off. And like Phillip said: I don't care about box office. People pay before they see the movie; history is rife with bad movies that made a ton of money, and great movies that didn't. I agree that there's nothing wrong with stand-alone stuff; "Into the Spiderverse" is a great example of a comic book movie that can be great without requiring you to bring a lot of extra background knowledge to the table. Venom... isn't. And it seems like Mary is pretty committed to the MCU, and the MCU is so damn expansive... Venom isn't nearly worthwhile enough that she should watch it over all the great non-MCU stuff; she's got so much comic book material with the MCU, I don't want her non-MCU reaction to be yet more comic book material unless it's *really* worthwhile and I don't think Venom comes anywhere near that bar. For the record: "Into the Spiderverse" does, easily. The X-Men movies don't; a very few good entries, many lackluster, a few bad... it'd be nice, I guess, for her to know the X-Men a bit but, big picture, there are so many movies out there for her that X-Men doesn't make my top-100 list. (Top-200? Top-300?) If we want her to have some X-Men knowledge, I'd go with the cartoon, honestly. The DCU also doesn't come close; I'm a bigger DC fan than Marvel but the DCU is garbage. It wouldn't take much to persuade me to support her watching "Wonder Woman", but that's about it. Nice thing about the failed/re-booted/failed/re-booted DCU is that since the movies don't tie into each other in any meaningful way, she could just watch it standalone.)

Mike LL
>>86097147

To your point 1). It was unnecessary to have Uncle Ben give this speech in the MCU because Peter did learn the lesson. This was revealed by Peter's first scenes in the MCU with his conversation with Tony in Civil War.

Ashleep

Always love your reactions, and this was no different! I viewed the watch-along but I also saw the intro to the edited version on YouTube and had a good laugh--props to you and/or the editor!

Richard Maurer
>>86056264

Well, they still remember interactions they had with Spider-man, they just don't remember he's Peter Parker, In fact Happy mentioned he knew May through Spider-Man. The thing I wonder about is did they forget any interaction they had with Spider-Man from the time after they knew he was Peter. I think they would have to have forgotten. If not, for instance, MJ would remember randomly swinging around the city with Spider-Man for no apparent reason.