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By the year 2000, what is the Reform platform? Everything. It’s centrism, libertarianism, blood-and-soil authoritarianism, Black nationalism, and communism. It’s pro-life, pro-choice, pro-gay rights, anti-gay rights. Name a thing and it is both for and against that thing. Nothing means anything anymore. Bear witness as the weirdest collection of wingnuts, cranks, careerists and scumbags ever assembled in American politics presides over the righteous and necessary implosion of what inevitably became the pointless anti-movement we call the Reform Party.

This is Jon, by the way. Thanks so much for watching, hope you enjoyed it. This is just the beginning. Every month through the end of 2024, I’m gonna drop a brand-new, super-early episode of Pretty Good just for you, our beloved subscribers. In between, we’re gonna have new episodes of our podcast The Annex, Dorktown feature columns, and more. We’re really serious about making this worth your money. How serious? I mean, I’m capitalizing! I’m punctuating! I never do that! How do people do this all day? alright yeah i’m not doing that anymore. anyway, seriously, thank you so much for joining us onboard this thing. it means the world to us, and we’re gonna make it worth your while.

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Rafał Brzeziński

Honestly, as a non-American, I only ever heard about the Reform Party from that one joke in Futurama.

Ben Johnson

As an American, I had only heard of the Reform Party from that one joke in Futurama

NowIOnlyWantATriumph

Dang, Jon’s breaking out the good china (punctuation and capitalization) for us here

Dennis Owens

Fantastic series. Can't wait to see what else comes from this.

Matt Kirner

the KKKK is taking me out

JerJin

Cheered seeing Hagelin

Adam Doud

Just something to consider. The die is cast and all that, you've hitched your cart to patreon, but it's pretty not awesome watching this content on patreon. Limited to a phone, or screen casting, neither of which is ideal. Anyway it's fine, I'm here, but if you ever decide to open YouTube memberships (you can set videos to be members only) please do let us know so I can migrate. The caveat is I haven't installed the patreon app -- id rather not, so it might be totally different there. 🤷‍♂️

Demure

Man what a wildly bizarre story and profound ending. Absolutely loved it

Hagan Ledda

Oh yeah. This is the good stuff.

Christian Kirby

The last 20 minutes or so of this part are some of the most impactful and important I've seen in any video content (at least as it relates to politics). What a fantastic series.

Kiwi

Just finished, amazing work as always, def the perfect story for Pretty Good’s return

Tony Heron

A sudden and powerful yearning for a "angels may rush in but don't fear to tread to your seat" tramp stamp

Forrest P

Another KPM soundtrack banger on this one. Top notch series!

Bob

"god damnit gerry"

John Pazniokas

As a dues-paying member of a third party (Libertarian) that seems to be convulsing, almost shot for shot, down this very path, this hits too close to home. Impressively ironic is that this was released on the very day that the national Libertarian Party announces a speaker at their national convention later this month... ... Donald Trump.

Cody Cook

Dang, that was Pretty Good!

Mylo Grams

Oh my god the choking ad "what would he say anyway" is fucking incredible

Brett Phillips

Damn way to stick the landing

Mylo Grams

Oh God I get the release of this in September. We get the gang riled up to support Jon and then everyone joins in when election season hits full swing. Hell yeah

donborvio

The LP lost its way a few times, one of the Koch bros; Bob Barr - one of the architects of the Patriot Act that turned coat, etc.

Phegan

Jon Bois does not miss.

June Guts

Thank you for the early birthday present, I assume this counts for the rest of my life.

Soendldn

Oh Jon that was so so good. I couldn’t agree more, this needs to be required reading for a high school history class. I can’t believe how timely the ending is , I can’t help but feeling like it should be shared more broadly right now.

Davin Pavlas

I was not thinking I'd get choked up at a new Pretty Good but hey here we are at the end of part 3

Begemott

What a wild ride. Great work as always!

Gwen Dallas

I remember being a freshman in college (UT-Austin) during the 2000 election. I was flabbergasted when Perot endorsed Dubya. This video series makes it make sense -- Perot was so thoroughly disgusted with Buchanan by the fall of 2000 that he was looking to obliterate him. FWIW Perot also played a key role in education reform in Texas in the 1980s. This is back when "education reform" meant "more teachers" and not "herp-de-dur let's give all our money to hedge fund voucher hucksters."

americand0lphin (edited)

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2024-05-04 22:41:24 Amazing work
2024-05-01 23:54:44 Amazing work

Amazing work

THE BATLORD

Hey that was pretty good

mags

This rules. at long last i understand the gag in futurama season 3 episode 21 'future stock' at the timestamp of 17:43... a new world has opened up for me

Scarlet Android

Not cool when all the problems in the fun silly party made it the worst in existence, but thankfully Mr. Moan was there to make it better. Great work Jon!

SomeBloke

Gary Moan being reduced to tears by the callous political machinations of literal Nazis felt like a profound metaphor for the fate of the entire party after three tremendous episodes of build-up. What a ride this was.

May Contain Fox-Like Substance

Jon Bois managed to take a political position I vehemently disagree with and package it in a way where I was very much willing to hear him out at the end. Because I am "that guy", the one who excoriates the Stein voters in 2016 and the Nader voters in 2000, the one who absolutely believes that with the stakes what they are, "the second least-bad option" is the only sensible choice, and I point to the Supreme Court as currently constituted and the horrific things it has done over the past few years as having been a self-inflicted wound by the same people who protest the loudest when they weren't there to do the one and only thing they could have done to stop it, which was to hold their nose and vote for Hillary Clinton. But Jon presents a position—that holding to the strength of one's convictions is ultimately more morally valuable than pragmatic violation of one's deepest-held beliefs—that, while I still think is daft and childish in the real world, I do respect as a human being. And only someone as eminently reasonable as Jon Bois, a man whose sincerity in his convictions is absolutely above reproach and who is more than capable—he even said so in as many words—of acknowledging that maybe the point I expressed two paragraphs up might be right (for certain values of right he leaves undefined, another very sensible framing piece in the argument.) If we had more of that in America, maybe this country wouldn't be so utterly screwed up. Bravo, Jon. May you continue to exercise your right to vote and your right to express yourself in exactly the manner you see fit and right. (anyway, sorry for prattling on, I swear I wasn't planning to prattle in essentially agreeing that yes, Jon does not miss.)

smoov22

It’s no wonder he wanted to publish last bits right as elections kick in

Kief Ledger

I loved this, amazing stuff!!

The Real Ben Shapiro

There also wasn’t much of a fight put up to push through Obama’s nomination while he was still in office. I agree with you, just pointing this out because it’s the typical way- they just roll over and their constituents get flattened.

Joe Jennings

Jon, stop making me feel ennui.

Lane Kamphausen

Takes the floor mic is so funny

Ben Peltz

Am I sensing more political content, perhaps with the Chapo bois?

Nick A

Halfway through this, all I could think was "too soon." Thank you for addressing what was foreshadowed with all that 2000 campaign coverage.

MrAH2010

Thanks John. I've always loved the music of the series. Loved the use of the clouds album. Maybe your hope for something other than the 2nd worst option is like a fleeting cloud, but I'm glad it exists. ☁️

Matt

It's a good thing that this won't go onto YouTube until September because the ending is something that will resonate with a lot more people when we're right in the middle of what's looking to be a brutally petty and divisive election cycle.

Lachie Wappet

a perfect story told perfectly — it's too good to be pretty good! i think the finished visuals would make amazing tshirts/merch in general. yeah, nothing would be readable, but they're striking from a distance and the iykyk factor would get me frothing. cheers Jon and team!

Casey Kutnyak (edited)

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2024-05-04 22:41:24 My dad worked with Pat Buchanan on both of his major campaigns for President, and this is the one I’m old enough to remember well. I haven’t started this yet, but I can feel a lot of feelings coming up just anticipating it. Pat was just my dad’s hero, and in 4th grade they had to add him to our school’s fake ballot so that I could be the only one in the school to vote for him. I feel like Secret Base has already done more than anyone to help me process the big experiences in my life. Fighting in the Age of Loneliness with the Aughts, the last episode of the Falcon’s series for election night 2016. The opportunity to process this - these childhood experiences running around busy rooms of miserable smiling people, my father’s passion and excitement and anger and grief, I never saw coming. As an adult, Pat could never, ever have gotten my vote. Honestly, he couldn’t get a handshake from me today. But I’m so excited to revisit a moment in my life, and a person who had a huge impact on my family. Thanks guys ❤️
2024-05-04 22:41:24 My dad worked with Pat Buchanan on both of his major campaigns for President, and this is the one I’m old enough to remember well. I haven’t started this yet, but I can feel a lot of feelings coming up just anticipating it. Pat was just my dad’s hero, and in 4th grade they had to add him to our school’s fake ballot so that I could be the only one in the school to vote for him. I feel like Secret Base has already done more than anyone to help me process the big experiences in my life. Fighting in the Age of Loneliness with the Aughts, the last episode of the Falcon’s series for election night 2016. The opportunity to process this - these childhood experiences running around busy rooms of miserable smiling people, my father’s passion and excitement and anger and grief, I never saw coming. As an adult, Pat could never, ever have gotten my vote. Honestly, he couldn’t get a handshake from me today. But I’m so excited to revisit a moment in my life, and a person who had a huge impact on my family. Thanks guys ❤️
2024-05-02 04:25:25 My dad worked with Pat Buchanan on both of his major campaigns for President, and this is the one I’m old enough to remember well. I haven’t started this yet, but I can feel a lot of feelings coming up just anticipating it. Pat was just my dad’s hero, and in 4th grade they had to add him to our school’s fake ballot so that I could be the only one in the school to vote for him. I feel like Secret Base has already done more than anyone to help me process the big experiences in my life. Fighting in the Age of Loneliness with the Aughts, the last episode of the Falcon’s series for election night 2016. The opportunity to process this - these childhood experiences running around busy rooms of miserable smiling people, my father’s passion and excitement and anger and grief, I never saw coming. As an adult, Pat could never, ever have gotten my vote. Honestly, he couldn’t get a handshake from me today. But I’m so excited to revisit a moment in my life, and a person who had a huge impact on my family. Thanks guys ❤️

My dad worked with Pat Buchanan on both of his major campaigns for President, and this is the one I’m old enough to remember well. I haven’t started this yet, but I can feel a lot of feelings coming up just anticipating it. Pat was just my dad’s hero, and in 4th grade they had to add him to our school’s fake ballot so that I could be the only one in the school to vote for him. I feel like Secret Base has already done more than anyone to help me process the big experiences in my life. Fighting in the Age of Loneliness with the Aughts, the last episode of the Falcon’s series for election night 2016. The opportunity to process this - these childhood experiences running around busy rooms of miserable smiling people, my father’s passion and excitement and anger and grief, I never saw coming. As an adult, Pat could never, ever have gotten my vote. Honestly, he couldn’t get a handshake from me today. But I’m so excited to revisit a moment in my life, and a person who had a huge impact on my family. Thanks guys ❤️

Clayton Hurdle

Well if this wasn't an existential journey. Also, a sentence that can't be uttered enough in the English language: "Fuck Pat Buchannan."

Will Keve

Buchanan's campaign "was" the worst well funded presidential campaign... Until Michael Bloomberg

Enoch Kim

hey friend for what it's worth yt-dlp supports patreon video if you extract cookies from your browser. yt-dlp is spooky software that runs in your command line but it does work.

Lance Tankman

I gotta know where you get your music. Do you just go straight to google and search "funk bangers to run a failing detective agency to" or is it more involved?

James Valentino

You’ve made something beautiful Jon! Thank you.

Casey Lin

political jon bois lowkey the best jon bois. would love more stuff like this

Brian Wise

Watching this I was truely hoping I was not the only person making parallels to Buchanan's take over of the Reform party and What Trump is currently doing.

Jim

My dad was a Perot and Ventura voter, to the point I still have that same doll from his commercial sitting on my desk right now. I remember being just old enough to become informed about politics in the 2000 election and my dad's (and thus my) absolute sense of betrayal when they nominated Buchanan - the dude was a goddamn Nazi!

Skinner McLane

"-and she is supporting Buchanan." I literally shouted "WHAT!?" at the top of my voice.

yeggog

Jon, I am not that much of a sports guy. I watch the Super Bowl every year, I made a bunch of angry tweets about my college cutting its hockey program right after I graduated and went to a few games this past season now that they brought it back, I check in on how the Pittsburgh teams are doing, plus the Mariners and funnily enough, Seahawks because my dad likes them, but my sport of choice is Formula 1, a subject you have confirmed that you will likely not cover, which is fair enough. So, I rarely know exactly how the story is going to go. Sure, of course I knew how Super Bowl LI ended, Pretty Good Episode 5 tells you upfront how it's going to end (a fact which you acknowledge in the video), but I usually do not know how these things are gonna go, which makes the videos very exciting. I am very much a politics guy. I didn't know every detail of how this was going to go, but in terms of the election results, who gets nominated by the party in 2000, Trump entering and exiting, Jesse Ventura, you know, the big stuff easily Wiki-able, I knew exactly how it was gonna go. So this was a unique opportunity to watch one of your videos where I already know the story ahead of time, which logically ought to make it less exciting. In actuality, and this might be recency bias, but I think it might be my favorite thing you've ever made. It might actually be more interesting to know most of the main story beats and still see how you tell them. Thank you for making this. And also, thank you for making me feel less bad for, in my first presidential election, which was 2016, as an 18-year-old driven by Reform Party-esque political idealism, voting third party. In a swing state. That Trump won. Agggh I still don't feel good about it. When I see the things Trump and his team talk about doing right now, the fact that, like Buchanan, you just kinda have to hope and pretend to yourself he doesn't mean the horrible things he says, it's hard to justify political idealism at the moment, at least for myself. It's especially depressing that the lead third party candidate is so damn terrible. But I won't vote shame or tell anyone else what to do, especially in safe states like New York. And when someone literally talking about suspending democracy (sorry most annoying people on Earth, republicanism) is no longer in the picture, maybe it'll be time for that again for me, and for the rest of America, too. One can only hope.

yeggog

If Gary had gotten over 5% in 2016, the gold rush to take advantage of the funding would have looked a lot like this I'd bet.

Andy Eck

Lenora Fulani's story here is an incredible example of the power of both-sides-ism. A self-described militant black Marxist ended up deciding that neither the Dems nor the Reps would represent her views (roughly equally accurate at the time), but then out of frustration she somehow decided to ally with Pat (edit: corrected to Buchanan from Robertson, my bad and thanks for the correction folks), the worst possible option

Hurry the Peace

Thank you for acknowledging your biases but not letting it affect the overall story. I guess technically you were bias towards Pat Buchanon but I doubt anyone will argue with you on that front lol. Amazing storytelling, great work. It's sad how much the reform party bungled this so much.

Jace Anders

My dad talks about voting for Ross Perot. It was nice to see how it all happened in that typical Jon Bois style. I'm sure I'll be back again when it drops on YouTube in September

Based Keith Hackney punching that total scumbag Joe Son in his shitty little dick and balls

Incredible work as always, Jon. As a New Zealander watching the insanity of American politics from a considerable distance, it has always annoyed me that third parties are almost never given a fair shot, and the biggest reason why is America's refusal to consider alternative election systems beyond what you have now. I know people want to get rid of the Electoral College, but that should be just the start. First past the post voting almost always results in a two party system hostile to outsiders, thus the perception that a vote for anyone other than those with a D or R next to their names is wasted. A proportional system like the one we have in NZ to elect our parliament, while not perfect, is infinitely better because it allows those who are otherwise on the fringe to be heard for better or worse. Hell, our Green Party, of which I am a member, is far from a joke and has been in government a few times. Just sayin' you don't know what you're missing.

Ari Partrich

I have so many incredibly intricate things to say about this and sprawled them out in my notes app but honestly i just want to make note of that nice little—purposeful—moment of auditory stillness after the credits music… my ears needed that after this binge

liz

exceptional work as usual jon; fascinated by lenora fulani (on top of everything else, she endorsed bloomberg for NYC mayor in '01?????)

Dingers

Robertson ran for president in 1988, actually. But yes they’re probably referring to Buchanan

Gocubbies

outstanding work to Jon and everyone at SB! Been a longtime fan, glad I can financially support yall finally. Just one question though: Will there be a Music Playlist for this series soon unlisted on Youtube or will we have to wait til September?

Carey

Gerry Moan has rapidly become one of my favourite Pretty Good characters. What a character.

Kiaayo

Oh, that's why you're waiting so long to upload this publicly.

jo

pretty good

Kalen Bogart

Jon Bois is the best documentary filmmaker working today, fight me.

Marc Baugess

Amazing work as always, Jon. Thank you for doing everything that you do.

Dawn Quixote

The ending ruined it for me, especially knowing he plans to release this a month or two before the election. The key point is that the Reform Party -- and all opposition -- was strongest before it splintered. We have the worst dreams of Buchanan currently running for a second term to try and avoid prison, and the LAST thing that can be afforded right now is telling people it's fine to throw their vote away on idealism. The opposition to Trump *has* to be unified as much as possible, or it will fail, and just like Buchanan took over the Reform Party and hollowed it out into a shadow of its former promise, Trump will do the same to the country as a whole. The lesson that should have been learned here is that Jack Gargan was principled, courageous, and bold -- and yet he could do nothing but stand on stage and watch as the Buchannanites jeered and cursed and fought their way into a total takeover of his ideals. Throwing your vote away out of some sense of proud idealism is a great way to leave you standing on the stage, holding your head in your hands, shouting "This is illegal" at a crowd that, in its ignorant bloodlust, doesn't listen and doesn't care. We cannot allow the country to suffer that fate.

Ben Watson

Good shit Jon. Keep doing you.

firesofthemind .

If the voting public can't handle the nuanced message of "Build an alternative rather than just trust any third party messiah who gets picked" rather than just throw their votes then they wouldn't have the capabilities to be convinced to pick Biden even if the video wasn't made.

Any Key

Maybe faced with the electoral juggernaut of 5000 Secret Base subscribers on Patreon, Joe Biden will be forced to grit his teeth and adjust his position somewhat.

Alex Hollis

Interesting read, and I understand that regret but I hope you don’t feel it as much after what Jon put forth at the end. I mostly agree with his points.

Patrick Griffin

Marvelous and eerily prophetic.

David Rybak

This was great. Thought you wore your own politics on your sleeve but made something anyone can enjoy. As a Canadian who moved to the U.S. 5 years ago, it always sort of drove me crazy how R's and D's were really the best two options America had to offer. Great piece of content, subscribed to make sure I could watch it immediately.

Ethan May

I appreciate that, after all this time, when Jon cuts away to himself it still looks like he’s filming with a potato. I love this goofus.

Clayton Zeno

11:27 a classic Bois theme from Dieter Reith

Redshift

Awesome stuff dude. Keep up the great work.

vitaflo

FYI, you're missing a few bars for Dem and GOP in the final votes in '92, '96 and '98 in the final chart with the white background. You know, if you wanna fix that before it goes out to YT.

AotD

What an excellent series. Thanks as always

MC

Paul Walter Hauser would be perfect for a Gerry Moan Biopic, that's the kind of perfect casting that might actually get someone (me) to write a Gerry Moan Biopic

bep world

I will be sure to vote for jon bois in the next election even though he adamantly refuses to run

J. Ryan Buck

I absolutely hate this app but if it's what I have to use for more Jon then it is what I must do.

squid named Finger

I don’t think it’s especially “idealist” to vote against a president currently funding and advocating for genocide. I think it’s one of the only courses of action necessary.

Dawn Quixote

There is no president "currently funding and advocating for a genocide" on the ballot, and it's frankly absurd to pretend there is.

Moe Boom!

Sounds like Joe Biden should work harder for voters if he wants to win, that Trump guy sounds bad!

Sam Schwartzstein

The man on the phone bot being able to speak regardless gave me a good chuckle

RealGhsmp

It is actually idealist. We are guaranteed to live in a future where one of two people will be the president. If either candidate is even a little bit better than the other, you have a moral obligation to vote for that one.

Alex Kuron

thanks for this jon. i've recently decided i'm voting 3rd party, so this was, pretty good.

Michael Canter

Everyone has always said JUICE is Jon's avatar for himself, and that second paragraph is the clearest evidence yet.

Chris

holy shit jon this was amazing. not that it isn’t par for the course but this really spoke to me on a different level. 10/10

The Playing Field

Gotta say, I converted one of my bass guitars to a fretless bass, and I love hearing all the fretless bass in the soundtrack. Great music selection. Also the videos were cool.

Ebbe Haugaard

extreme new york voice: "eyyyy i spent 5 bucks for dis?? glad i did, it was really good! thanks jon!"

Casey Kutnyak (edited)

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2024-05-04 22:41:24 Random story re: fuck Pat Buchanan My dad took my brothers and I to a Pat Buchanan event in Rochester, NY, in what must have been early Fall 2000. The big thing I remember about the 2000 Reform campaign was how much more miserable my dad was than he had been after Pat won the Republican New Hampshire primary in 96. Everyone there seemed miserable. There had been some paid luncheon fundraiser thing, but my dad was working so we hadn’t paid, so us kids weren’t allowed to eat any of the food. Looking back, I’m 99% sure us kids were there to look cute for cameras, which I guess worked because a picture of us holding signs was in the paper afterward. But besides the pictures, there wasn’t a lot for us to do. There was a big scuffle with a guy who came with a Pat sign on a stick, then ripped it off to reveal a sign for a different candidate I can’t remember, and we all yelled at him and chased him off. My dad was so mad. Anyway, the luncheon had ended and there was a tray of cookies left out, and I asked a lady if I could have one and she said yes. So I gobbled it up, and right as I was done chewing my dad came around the corner walking and talking with Pat. They came over and my dad said “did you eat one of the cookies?” And I lied and said no. And he said “well you’ve got crumbs on your face” and then Pat ABSOLUTELY SCOLDED THE SHIT OUT OF ME. For lying, but ALSO FOR EATING THE FUCKING COOKIES WE HAD NOT PAID FOR. fuck that guy
2024-05-04 22:41:24 Random story re: fuck Pat Buchanan My dad took my brothers and I to a Pat Buchanan event in Rochester, NY, in what must have been early Fall 2000. The big thing I remember about the 2000 Reform campaign was how much more miserable my dad was than he had been after Pat won the Republican New Hampshire primary in 96. Everyone there seemed miserable. There had been some paid luncheon fundraiser thing, but my dad was working so we hadn’t paid, so us kids weren’t allowed to eat any of the food. Looking back, I’m 99% sure us kids were there to look cute for cameras, which I guess worked because a picture of us holding signs was in the paper afterward. But besides the pictures, there wasn’t a lot for us to do. There was a big scuffle with a guy who came with a Pat sign on a stick, then ripped it off to reveal a sign for a different candidate I can’t remember, and we all yelled at him and chased him off. My dad was so mad. Anyway, the luncheon had ended and there was a tray of cookies left out, and I asked a lady if I could have one and she said yes. So I gobbled it up, and right as I was done chewing my dad came around the corner walking and talking with Pat. They came over and my dad said “did you eat one of the cookies?” And I lied and said no. And he said “well you’ve got crumbs on your face” and then Pat ABSOLUTELY SCOLDED THE SHIT OUT OF ME. For lying, but ALSO FOR EATING THE FUCKING COOKIES WE HAD NOT PAID FOR. fuck that guy
2024-05-04 04:58:04 Random story re: fuck Pat Buchanan My dad took my brothers and I to a Pat Buchanan event in Rochester, NY, in what must have been early Fall 2000. The big thing I remember about the 2000 Reform campaign was how much more miserable my dad was than he had been after Pat won the Republican New Hampshire primary in 96. Everyone there seemed miserable. There had been some paid luncheon fundraiser thing, but my dad was working so we hadn’t paid, so us kids weren’t allowed to eat any of the food. Looking back, I’m 99% sure us kids were there to look cute for cameras, which I guess worked because a picture of us holding signs was in the paper afterward. But besides the pictures, there wasn’t a lot for us to do. There was a big scuffle with a guy who came with a Pat sign on a stick, then ripped it off to reveal a sign for a different candidate I can’t remember, and we all yelled at him and chased him off. My dad was so mad. Anyway, the luncheon had ended and there was a tray of cookies left out, and I asked a lady if I could have one and she said yes. So I gobbled it up, and right as I was done chewing my dad came around the corner walking and talking with Pat. They came over and my dad said “did you eat one of the cookies?” And I lied and said no. And he said “well you’ve got crumbs on your face” and then Pat ABSOLUTELY SCOLDED THE SHIT OUT OF ME. For lying, but ALSO FOR EATING THE FUCKING COOKIES WE HAD NOT PAID FOR. fuck that guy

Random story re: fuck Pat Buchanan My dad took my brothers and I to a Pat Buchanan event in Rochester, NY, in what must have been early Fall 2000. The big thing I remember about the 2000 Reform campaign was how much more miserable my dad was than he had been after Pat won the Republican New Hampshire primary in 96. Everyone there seemed miserable. There had been some paid luncheon fundraiser thing, but my dad was working so we hadn’t paid, so us kids weren’t allowed to eat any of the food. Looking back, I’m 99% sure us kids were there to look cute for cameras, which I guess worked because a picture of us holding signs was in the paper afterward. But besides the pictures, there wasn’t a lot for us to do. There was a big scuffle with a guy who came with a Pat sign on a stick, then ripped it off to reveal a sign for a different candidate I can’t remember, and we all yelled at him and chased him off. My dad was so mad. Anyway, the luncheon had ended and there was a tray of cookies left out, and I asked a lady if I could have one and she said yes. So I gobbled it up, and right as I was done chewing my dad came around the corner walking and talking with Pat. They came over and my dad said “did you eat one of the cookies?” And I lied and said no. And he said “well you’ve got crumbs on your face” and then Pat ABSOLUTELY SCOLDED THE SHIT OUT OF ME. For lying, but ALSO FOR EATING THE FUCKING COOKIES WE HAD NOT PAID FOR. fuck that guy

Christy Mc Morrow

John Hagelin walked so Marianne Williamson could run

Bob Getty

sounds like a party of angry white dudes turned into a nazi party... shocking

James Goforth

Man that video of Gerry Moan at the convention just makes your heart hit the fucking floor

Michael Epp

I’ve been watching the Pretty Good series since I was literally in middle school. Safe to say they still don’t disappoint

JD Rasco

Stick to politics jon

Enzo White

this whole thing was pretty good

Eddie

What a fantastic episode, jon bois and Co. Always producing intensely engaging and interesting stories

Vince

Loved the series. I voted for Nader in 2000. While I was not in a swing state so practically it did not matter, I did later feel regret. The Buchanan Reform party run was so forgettable until I watched this series I had forgotten about it. I think at the national level, there are too many anti-democratic features in our electoral system for a third party run to be viable. The electoral college more or less guarantees the best possible outcome of a third party run would be to deny any candidate 270 electoral votes, which would just throw it to a gerrymandered house. Possibly why third parties tend to usually only attract fringe candidates and more viable ones gravitate to the two major parties. Like you I'm just a guy who reads the paper, so not like I got any answers.

Griffin Cain

the main issue is just the game theory of politics, even parliamentary politics. in order to win support/votes, the most successful organizations are going to be those that sacrifice ideological value in order to cast a wider net. and this will always end up with two primary groups who mostly oppose each other; even in European systems with several parties, they will usually group together into larger coalitions in terms of governing. it’s just a Darwinian aspect of politics and human nature we’re stuck with

Joe Molloy

Fantastic video, and wonderful series. I love this new venture, moving outside sports but still, at core, telling stories. Don't get me wrong, I love the sports videos and look forward to more of them in the future, but this series has been equally (if differently) excellent. But those last 10 minutes? "You have no right to be fed up." Damn. Just like the last 10 minutes of the Dave Stieb series, the last 6 or so minutes of the Minnesota Vikings series, even the the last few minutes of the "saddest punt in the world" video, you take the time to zoom out and try to see the bigger picture. You draw us into these incredible stories, with all their intricacy and quirkiness, and let us live there for a blissful moment. And then you tap us on the shoulder and say "hey, I know it's been a blast, but in case you forgot, there's a whole world out there." As if to say, "now it's time to make your own little story in that big world." And that is marvelous. One small thing, and god it's trivial to the point that I feel bad even saying it, but: at about 20:30 you talk about Buchanan running around local conventions and assessing their loyalty, and describe it (using the terms of a contemporaneous journalist) as a coup. I disagree; it wasn't a coup, it was a purge. What happened to Gargan in Tennessee was a coup – a group of 'soldiers', inspired by a leader, usurped control away from the duly appointed official. Having been properly appointed by the rules of their own organization, they were bound respect his office, but they declined to do so because they believed in something (here, someone) else more than they believed in those rules. By contrast, what happened in 2000, when Buchanan (already in power) went around removing those who might oppose him, was a purge. While a coup is bound up in momentary emotions and panicked decisions about who to support in the hopes that you might simply survive, a purge is a calculated destruction of anything that might oppose you. A purge is much, much worse than a coup, and purge is what it sounds like Buchanan did.

Danny K

wow what a great series! thanks so much for making it

Kalvin Filarski

Thanks for your work on this Jon, and the rest of the secret base team who were a part of this. More than happy to pay to be a patron of this channel if it means we end up with more masterpieces like this. Despite the handful of jabs at the lack of follow through on things like gay or women’s rights in relation to the libertarian party across all 3 parts, I’m still delighted to vote 3rd party every election and will continue to do so at every opportunity I’m given.

Martin C

I forget which previous video Jon says that politics is America's latest most popular sport, but this is the vibe I got from this series and I loved it. Showing those pointed years in our history, like in the Vick episode of HTAF, was just *chef's kiss.*

Merkwerdichliebe

Watching Jerry Moan watch the dream die right before his eyes was absolutely brutal.

Joel Fisher

I guess if the dems can lose yet again to a historically unpopular fascist clown, we'll be hearing a lot of "It's not OUR fault! It was Bois and those damned YouTube videos"

Griffin Cant

This series was an absolute joy and I'm really glad I can support secret base even more now! thanks for all of this!

Maxwell James

The scene where Gerry Moan watched the convention get taken over by Buchanan ghouls might be the most gut-wrenching moment I've experienced in a SB video. Julio Franco's bad hop still might take it though.

Austin Priest

Jon, you're gonna get so much shit for the last 10 minutes when this goes live to the public. But thank you for saying it.

neuracnu

Keep in mind the "you are allowed to have this" message is directed at everyone, not just left-leaning folks.

Michael Karkar

love listening to jon talk politics. i know you might be known as the sports guy (and sometimes the sandwich shop owner) but i think you have a unique and special voice that captures modern american sentiment perfectly. keep talking politics, you make the stuffy guys gals and everyone else in suits bearable to figure out.

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2024-05-08 00:09:20 Adding Gerry Moan to the list of Secret Base-inverse characters that made me cry
2024-05-07 16:38:23 Adding Gerry Moan to the list of Secret Base-iverse characters that made me cry

Adding Gerry Moan to the list of Secret Base-iverse characters that made me cry

Grezzzo

Only Jon would be the one to get me so invested in a political party that I had no idea about when it was going on

Samuel Andrade

I am so glad Jon is a marxist. Give the order, camarade, let us wokers unite.

Amit Vahia

Fantastic series! I’m about Jon’s age so I felt transported back to grade school days watching this. Glad to be a supporter of Secret Base and looking forward to the A+ work you all put into the channel!

Erik Williams

Jon Bois is a master storyteller. Never thought a three-part mini-series about the insanity of the Reform Party would have been so engrossing, but it was. :-)

duncathan -

Ah. I see why this is coming out in November now. I'm looking forward to it, Jon

Kristofer Mc Cormack

Did not expect to be choking up for a guy called Gerry Moan, but here we are.

Will Talley

"You're allowed to dream of a better, idealistic third option" is worlds away from "hey guys, please vote for RFK Jr. in November." In fact, for about 5 minutes before that line, Jon lays out a detailed argument *for* strategic voting.

Carl Miller Jr.

1:09:52 There's an excellent timeline on alternatehistory.com called “A Giant Sucking Sound” that delves into what might have happened if Perot was elected president in ’92.

lizard_man69

wow good video, youve influenced the way i view voting

Dirky

Great goddamn stuff

Matthew Brandin

Militant Black Nationalist Marxist in the same party faction as a Klan Wizard and Pat Buchanan - man, if the Reform party isn't proof of Horseshoe theory, I don't know what is

Sam Aronow

What Griffin said, with the additional caveat that it's a function of how votes are counted in most US states. First-past-the-post offers no upside to third parties unless they're hyper-regional (UK) or the third party can attract a sufficiently distinct voter base (Canada). With party-list-proportional representation you get multi-party democracy but a constant reshuffling of party identities with no local representation and no voter accountability for individual politicians. This is why I prefer instant-runoff or single transferrable vote.

Charles Daigle

he is really good at making me think about human behavior and how irrational we can really be. like I didn't think we could be this irrational until now.

Joel D.

Man, this was so good. The last 10 minutes encapsulated so much of my feelings it struck a powerful chord. As a disenfranchised conservative who feels politically homeless and voted third party/write-in in the last two elections (and probably will this time around too) alarmed by the extremism and tribalism in both parties, I’ve been hoping and praying that a sensible, rational independent party would take hold. This series has shown the pitfalls and potential promise of that pipe dream, but nonetheless… I can dream.

Cole Buchanan

Really nice work, Jon. You have outdone yourself once again.

Doctor Robotnick (Nick)

Mangia shouting this is illegal after he basically forced this to happen is the definition of reaping what you sow.

Luke H

"If you can't stand up for the rule of law and principles of reform there's no point in having a party." Oh my God. Literally a centrist's centrist: less than a decade after the party is formed, it has an attempted coup from the far right and the battle cry for standing by and letting it happen is respectability politics. Centrism literally letting itself self-destruct out of centrism towards its own party. It's like an ouroboros of indifference. I don't know if I've ever seen something so perfect in American politics before.

Terakahn

That big sheet had so many blank spaces up until this episode that I was starting to get concerned. Boy did I have no idea what was coming. You know have a problem when Trump says you're too crazy for him. I can't wait to see what you guys do next.

yeggog

Hey Jon, in that Pablo Torre interview you said you were afraid of people taking away from this that they should vote for RFK Jr. Uh, well, guess who the Reform Party just endorsed? You may want to add something to clarify you're not endorsing any current third party candidates when it goes up on YouTube, there is now an even better chance of someone getting the wrong impression

Jeff Good

There's definitely a place for 3rd parties and Ventura (and Angus King) showed it: At the state level. That's where it's possible for one to win, and you can build on that to challenge at a national level if your party doesn't get hijacked. The GOP is a sinking ship and there is going to be a fight for the 2nd party in the coming years. No doubt it will be even more messy than the Reform party was.

Alex_98

im not American, nor am I particularly checked into politics, so I wasn’t sure if I would enjoy this video as much as your sports content, but I was presently surprised at how much I enjoyed this. I really learned a lot from this and it was so interesting. theres a message in this story, about what happens when idealists dont have a solid plan, which means there hard work can be ruined, no matter how good their interests are. that message is useful in a variety of situations. also gerry moan crying on the podium was so heartbreaking. one of the few voices of reason left in the party watching the dream die before his eyes

CSharp

fuck yeah

Jonathan Bennett

15:29 Too bad maharishi didn't have to find one percent of the square root of the world pop. Then he'd only have to recruit about 700 people. I guess that just isn't the nature of the unified field.

Singe Stheos

this was so, so lovely. jon bois always finds the best way to wrap up. i felt disheartened by Buchanan taking everything and giving nothing, advocating for the death of the free spirit, but still getting trounced in poll results. no percentage, no place, no pride. no reward for his bigotry, insanity, racism, interstellar eccentricity, /nothing/. there is nothing in the world of politics for Pat Buchanan any more, now that the old atomization of the 1900s has passed. the weave of interconnectivity today gives Pat nothing he could possibly gain for his ideas. jon didnt ream him for his failure to gain any standing on a wall. instead, he gave us hope that we can, someday, have what we want.

Laeb

Jerry moan is now my favorite manager of a third party of American politics in U.S history so far

Isaac Knockel

I have been inside Mariashi University. Wild place

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2024-07-08 16:26:37 Many people drew parallels between this era of the Reform Party and the recent infighting within the Libertarian Party, with the latter being increasingly taken over by culturally right-wing forces loyal to Trump. What I certainly didn't see coming is that the old wing ended up winning out at the convention. They booed Trump when he spoke there, and they nominated a pro-Palestine, openly gay man as their nominee, much to the chagrin of the far-right wing which was happy to torch the entire party if they didn't get their way. Of course that nominee is also very right-wing fiscally, but yeah, he's a libertarian. It is possible to say that in rejecting Donald Trump, the Libertarian Party played out a version of reality where the Reform Party in 2000 nominated... Donald Trump. What I even more certainly didn't see coming was a similar, though not identical, dynamic playing out in the Democratic Party. At this point it's pretty clear to everyone paying attention that Biden is not a strong candidate. No, he is not "far-right" (even if I suspect I might get pushback for that assertion), but electorally, he might be similar to running Buchanan. Of course he would get many, many orders of magnitude more votes than ol' Pat, but that's a given as the nominee of a major party, even more so when the other major party candidate looks as though he may institute literal, unironic fascism, with literal institutional pushback thanks to the recent Supreme Court decision. The mere fact that we're even unsure whether Biden will win is a testament to how bad a candidate he is. And now, after the "primary" is already over and it's too late to do it the proper way, now is when major party figures are starting to realize it might have been a mistake to keep him as the nominee. Biden refuses to go, meaning things will absolutely get ugly within the party unless they disarm and just let him be the nominee, which could be one of the only ways the Democrats actually lose the election. So, on one side you have a very ideologically disparate faction of people united around the cause of removing Biden as the nominee and replacing him with Harris, and on the other side the Biden loyalists who are growing increasingly militant and vindictive to anyone who suggests nominating him would be a bad idea. The latter group, incredibly, seems to include the majority of the hardcore supporters of Kamala Harris when she ran for president in 2020. It's obviously not a perfect parallel, but it sure is starting to look a bit similar, isn't it? Two factions internally united by nothing but who they're pushing to be the nominee. Both featuring some of the most improbable allies, who, if this was an ideological schism, would certainly be on the other side. Both digging in their heels so hard that the resulting clash could tear the entire party down from within. And the stakes? Avoiding the potential electoral suicide of nominating a deeply unpopular old guy for president. With, of course, the caveat of the whole country being on the line this time. Fun!
2024-07-08 16:11:34 Many people drew parallels between this era of the Reform Party and the recent infighting within the Libertarian Party, with the latter being increasingly taken over by culturally right-wing forces loyal to Trump. What I certainly didn't see coming is that the old wing ended up winning out at the convention. They booed Trump when he spoke there, and they nominated a pro-Palestine, openly gay man as their nominee, much to the chagrin of the far-right wing which was happy to torch the entire party if they didn't get their way. Of course that nominee is also very right-wing fiscally, but yeah, he's a libertarian. It is possible to say that in rejecting Donald Trump, the Libertarian Party played out a version of reality where the Reform Party in 2000 nominated... Donald Trump. What I even more certainly didn't see coming was a similar, though not identical, dynamic playing out in the Democratic Party. At this point it's pretty clear to everyone paying attention that Biden is not a strong candidate. No, he is not "far-right" (even if I suspect I might get pushback for that assertion), but electorally, he might be similar to running Buchanan. Of course he would get many, many orders of magnitude more votes than ol' Pat, but that's a given as the nominee of a major party, even more so when the other major party candidate looks as though he may institute literal, unironic fascism, with little institutional pushback thanks to the recent Supreme Court decision. The mere fact that we're even unsure whether Biden will win is a testament to how bad a candidate he is. And now, after the "primary" is already over and it's too late to do it the proper way, now is when major party figures are starting to realize it might have been a mistake to keep him as the nominee. Biden refuses to go, meaning things will absolutely get ugly within the party unless they disarm and just let him be the nominee, which could be one of the only ways the Democrats actually lose the election. So, on one side you have a very ideologically disparate faction of people united around the cause of removing Biden as the nominee and replacing him with Harris, and on the other side the Biden loyalists who are growing increasingly militant and vindictive to anyone who suggests nominating him would be a bad idea. The latter group, incredibly, seems to include the majority of the hardcore supporters of Kamala Harris when she ran for president in 2020. It's obviously not a perfect parallel, but it sure is starting to look a bit similar, isn't it? Two factions internally united by nothing but who they're pushing to be the nominee. Both featuring some of the most improbable allies, who, if this was an ideological schism, would certainly be on the other side. Both digging in their heels so hard that the resulting clash could tear the entire party down from within. And the stakes? Avoiding the potential electoral suicide of nominating a deeply unpopular old guy for president. With, of course, the caveat of the whole country being on the line this time. Fun!

Many people drew parallels between this era of the Reform Party and the recent infighting within the Libertarian Party, with the latter being increasingly taken over by culturally right-wing forces loyal to Trump. What I certainly didn't see coming is that the old wing ended up winning out at the convention. They booed Trump when he spoke there, and they nominated a pro-Palestine, openly gay man as their nominee, much to the chagrin of the far-right wing which was happy to torch the entire party if they didn't get their way. Of course that nominee is also very right-wing fiscally, but yeah, he's a libertarian. It is possible to say that in rejecting Donald Trump, the Libertarian Party played out a version of reality where the Reform Party in 2000 nominated... Donald Trump. What I even more certainly didn't see coming was a similar, though not identical, dynamic playing out in the Democratic Party. At this point it's pretty clear to everyone paying attention that Biden is not a strong candidate. No, he is not "far-right" (even if I suspect I might get pushback for that assertion), but electorally, he might be similar to running Buchanan. Of course he would get many, many orders of magnitude more votes than ol' Pat, but that's a given as the nominee of a major party, even more so when the other major party candidate looks as though he may institute literal, unironic fascism, with little institutional pushback thanks to the recent Supreme Court decision. The mere fact that we're even unsure whether Biden will win is a testament to how bad a candidate he is. And now, after the "primary" is already over and it's too late to do it the proper way, now is when major party figures are starting to realize it might have been a mistake to keep him as the nominee. Biden refuses to go, meaning things will absolutely get ugly within the party unless they disarm and just let him be the nominee, which could be one of the only ways the Democrats actually lose the election. So, on one side you have a very ideologically disparate faction of people united around the cause of removing Biden as the nominee and replacing him with Harris, and on the other side the Biden loyalists who are growing increasingly militant and vindictive to anyone who suggests nominating him would be a bad idea. The latter group, incredibly, seems to include the majority of the hardcore supporters of Kamala Harris when she ran for president in 2020. It's obviously not a perfect parallel, but it sure is starting to look a bit similar, isn't it? Two factions internally united by nothing but who they're pushing to be the nominee. Both featuring some of the most improbable allies, who, if this was an ideological schism, would certainly be on the other side. Both digging in their heels so hard that the resulting clash could tear the entire party down from within. And the stakes? Avoiding the potential electoral suicide of nominating a deeply unpopular old guy for president. With, of course, the caveat of the whole country being on the line this time. Fun!

Tolerance

I swear Jon is a way better journalist than those on TV the guys research is unbelievable. Being an African I can’t believe the African Americans who supported this dude lol it doesn’t make sense. Supporting someone who will destroy you hahah ok