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Steve, Hardware Unboxed (Guest Telegrams) (Patreon)

Published:
2021-11-10 01:38:59
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2021-12

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I cannot think of a better guest to have on after Alder Lake's launch than Steve from Hardware Unboxed.  Of course we will be heavily discussing what we think of Alder Lake, Zen 3's competitiveness, AMD's response next year, and upcoming ADL products...but it's almost 2022 - we will also be discussing all of this year's launches and what we are looking forward to in 2022!


It all depends on your comments below!  Right in with your questions and thoughts about everything gaming hardware, and we will get to as many of the well written telegrams as possible!  You have ~48 hours to write in! (Cut off is Thursday Evening US Central Time)


In case you are not familiar with Steve:

https://www.youtube.com/c/Hardwareunboxednow

Comments

Deepest Learners

Could God make a CPU run so hot that even He could not cool it?

Anonymous

Hello Tom, Moore's Law is Dead and Steve, Hardware Unboxed. In a recent video you have discussed the "DDR5 & windows 11 required" mindset behind Alder Lake and how it has negatively effected ADL sales. With Zen 3D rumored to be dropping soon to try and take back the crown from ADL, do you see the consumer wising up or do you see these misconceptions still being mainstream by the time Zen 3D is released? Thanks Steve

B. Fish

I know laptop reviews are normally Tim's area and I know in your recent video you saw very marginal improvement in gaming performance for ddr5 vs ddr4. However, how do you see ddr5 benefitting the integrated gpus in alder lake & amd Rembrandt? Do you think 96 eu's of xe will be competitive with 12 cu rdna 2 with similar amounts of ddr5/lpddr5 given what we know about both architectures?

Anonymous

Hello Tom! And Steve! This question is for Steve and completely unrelated to tech. When can we expect more "Hardware Home Depot" videos from you? Your time lapse videos of your new desk and studio were so well put together that many of your fans have used it for inspiration for our own setups. Love the work man. Much love from us here in the States.

Eleriam

Hi Tom and Steve, great to have you back Steve. As the former owner of a Vega 56, I can appreciate how the i7-12700K can be considered a good product, unlike its high-end power-hogging brother, but isn't 3 months until Zen 3D close enough to offset any enthusiasm over Alder Lake? This reminds me when the i5 7600K launched and quite a few people bought it in droves because they had "no trust in AMD", then saw their 7600K trounced by a cheaper Ryzen 5 1600X two months later. Surely AMD has a proven track record that they're competitive, and worth the wait?

MelodicWarrior

Glad to have you back Steve! My questions are regarding the PCIe Gen 5 and the integrated graphics on the CPU. A few people I have spoken with regarding Alder Lake have already run into some minor issues with using Gen 5 on the platform if they are using any GPU that does not run Gen4 or later natively. Did you have a similar experience when testing? Also regarding the integrated Graphics, it seems that the drivers are being somewhat funky where in normal windows it works fine but when you use games in DX 11 or even some Vulkan titles, there have been reports of random graphical overlays interfering with image quality, artifact lines, UI scaling issues and so on. Did you take a small test ride with those graphics and if so what was your experience?

Dr Forbin

I left a similar question in your discord Steve, first welcome and thank you Tom for the great guest. My question is production work aside, does any processor upgrade mean anything if you already own Intel 10/11 generation or AMD Zen 2/3 if the difference is a few percent since in gaming the GPU'S bottleneck(1080p) even on the highest end GPU'S presently available? If not when will GPU'S make a processor upgrade nessesary?

Anonymous

If I understand correctly processor efficiency drops the harder you push them so given the choice between an older node with no area constraints vs a newer smaller die node pushed to it's max to obtain the same level of performance which is more efficient for a given power budget assuming a fully parallel workload? How much of a node advantage does the maxed out node need for it to beat the older larger efficiency optimized node in performance per watt? This question goes to whoever feels the most qualified to answer it. Thanks!

Anonymous

Hey Tom and Steve. I plan on build a gaming PC and I'm torn between the 5800x and the 12600k. The 5800x is $320 at Micro center and the 12600k is available at $320. From early benchmarks is see the 12600k beat the 5800x in most games, and I know from testing gaming on Windows 10 over 11 doesn't cause a big lost in performance my question is I have a 32gb of 3200mhz CL 16 ram kit and I don't feel like buying ddr5 or faster ddr4. Is the performance lost of using 3200mhz ram on the 12600k enough to make the 5800x a better option. I need both of your sage advice. Thanks again for what both of you do for pc gaming.

Anonymous

Hey Steve, you're famous for not pulling your punches. Do you owe this tenacity to the Australian school system's arguably cruel practice of obligatory student vs. kangaroos brawls, or is it born from your life long battle with Mother Nature's unrelenting "gravity" ...being upside down the whole of your life?

Anonymous

Hi Steve, now that Victorians are out of the world's longest lockdown, how are you going to get tools and materials up those stairs to remodel Tom's attic? I think he could definitely use the Steve(tm) end-to-end wall-mounted desk system (patent pending).

Anonymous

Anthony Gareffa from Tweaktown recently posted an article discussing a twitter post from Greymon55. The tweet, regarding next gen NVIDIA and AMD graphics products, went as follows: "Double the performance, double power consumption, can you accept it?". Mr. Gareffa does, but what are your thoughts on graphics cards approaching 500w board power? Would it actually negatively affect a user's quality of life so much (power bills, room temperature, maybe needing air conditioning) that it becomes untenable?

Anonymous

With the recent news of AMDs Milan X and MCM GPUs, Alder Lake launch with Intel's first foray into hybrid design and Apple competing with their own chips, it seems we're at the cusp of major shift in the industry. How excited are you for the future and the impact it has on your channel?

Anonymous

Good Day Tom and Steve, it feels awesome to write my first reader-mail! It’s been an awesome ride since I joined the MLID train in the summer of 2019! To my question: Why haven’t reviewers pointed out the HEDT-like qualities of Z690 and Alder Lake? When someone actually looks at the block diagram of Z690, it shows the link between CPU and chipset is 8 PCIe Gen. 4 lanes, just like Threadripper and Threadripper Pro. This is double the bandwidth than AM4 & X570! While the platform that Alder Lake is on doesn’t have the same PCIe lanes as the AMD HEDT counterparts, it still gives the buyer more options what he wants to connect than X570 would. Could you really make the argument that ADL-S/Z690 could be a HEDT-Lite platform in terms of chipset bandwidth and CPU performance and therefore the bump in motherboard pricing is justified? Take care and keep on rocking!

Silvannos

Hi, Steve, what are your favourite releases of 2022, other than CPUs and GPUs? Was there something that surprised you or was just really exciting or new?

Anonymous

Intel and AMD might consider what a total price an enthusiast will pay for a new top model. Where do you think the price level will be for low end, middle and enthusiasts around summer next year?

QuickJumper

Hey Steve how do you think Raptor Lake will compete with ZEN4? My assumption is that raptor lake will be very similar in terms of multithreading performance but will have huge TDP. It is similar right now, sure Alder Lake is overall better than ZEN3 but in certain tasks it runs very hot, do you think this trend will continue after Alder Lake?

KarbinCry

Hi, I'd just like Steve's thoughts on my issues with single thread testing. The only use of ST results, IMO, is to measure up individual cores and compare their performance, so for example Golden Cove v Zen3... However, SMT is a part of those cores. How can we use a measure of a thread to compare cores? Especially with fairly slim SMT yields in the newest cores, an ST test tells us little about real ability of a core. Thus I personally wish we moved to single core testing, which could actually provide useful and representative results without having to consider SMT yield math and other factors. This testing would also prevent certain optimizations CPUs have for synthetic ST benchmarks (removing the option to devote everything to a single thread). Unfortunately I am not aware of any benchmarks that offer an easy way to test single core perf. But would you be interested in them? Do you agree with me that single core testing would supplant ST, or if not, why would you prefer ST even if single core testing was an option?

Falto

Hello! Is it true that synthetic benchmarks are not accurate because cpu or gpu makers can "optimize" to look better in them compared to their actual perfo? for example rocket lake technicallly speaking had IPC increase yet it still lost or tied to zen 3/comet lake in applications.

Cleansweep

Hey Tom and Steve, Now that we're entering the wild and wonderful world of combining different sorts of cores on the same packages for different use cases, how will CPU testing evolve? It seems like things are going to get really complicated, really quickly with not just Big.little, but also specialty hardware like neural engines affecting test results in specific tasks.

Deep dish learning pizza

Hello Tom and Steve! Steve, your desk build videos inspired me to purchase a portable bandsaw, now I'm walking around my house looking for things for me to trim down a bit. My wife's heeled shoes look like they could stand to lose a half cm... So thanks for that. I wanted to talk about the idea of game exclusives... but in the PC segment. You read that correctly; I personally believe that in the future we will see PC games released that only run on a certain manufacturer's hardware, or at the very least, run deliberately gimped in performance and features. I don’t think this is hard to envision, as console exclusives have been around for decades, we heard rumors of Nvidia paying developers not to implement FSR into their games, and even little splash screens in games that say things like ‘Nvidia: the way it’s meant to be played’. I know these examples are a far step from locking out games dependent on what GPU a PC gamer is using, but I personally just feel that within the next 10 years we will be saying things like “I wanted to buy the AMD 9000 series, but I really want to play GTA 8.” Anyways, feel free to tell me I’m wrong. Love the shows, keep up the good work.

Alex

G'day Steve The tech tuber scene has been...difficult for people like you recently, with new tech sold out or scalped and viewer interest dropping as a result. Has there been a equally dry spell before or is this the first perfect storm of issues for tech? Now Intel is back trading blows with ryzen (hopefully it'll continue) and their new GPU out soon are the hard times over or do you think this is a temporary reprieve?

Mark Smith

Hi Tom and Steve! Thank you for this opportunity to ask a question. It is easy to see that Intel and the PC tech industry have experienced much-needed new energy and excitement with the recently released Intel products as well as forthcoming products from them as well as AMD and Nvidia. Many people have predicted that the DIY tech industry will become more boutique in nature due to the rising prices of CPUs, GPUs, memory, and other related hardware. Do you think this is where the industry will eventually go? Or do you see a bright future for DIY as it has been for the last decade? Keep up the great work you and Tim do at Hardware Unboxed. I appreciate it.

Anonymous

Hi - With both Intel and AMD effectively overclocking their products from the get-go, what are your thoughts in terms of modifying the review process so as to continue to deliver “real world” performance comparisons? For example, I think it is unlikely a typical 12600k buyer is going to be using a 360mm AIO / top end z690 motherboard and so will never see the cpu boost behaviour and associated performance such a platform appears to offer when looking at reviews.

Sarcastro

Hello Tom and Steve, What do each of you think is the most ground breaking development during the last year of newly released consumer devices for computing? And, can either of you state or given an idea as to what you think will be the most important development in the year 1 to 2 years?

qhfreddy

Hey guys, what are your thoughts on X570 as a platform now that Z590 and particularly Z690 are out. It feels like X570 boards are quite outdated for the price points when Alder Lake boards are offering 4 or more m.2 slots at under $300. It's a shame intel has nothing to go against B550 yet, but it really seems like X570 is basically irrelevant now.

Brad Medlin

Hey Tom and Super Steve, Based on what you have seen so far, how well do you think former generations of AMD and Intel will be in say 5 years. Do you think this decade will be much like the 2000's where 5 years are truly major advancements or will we come to a point where we have another bulldozer moment like the there early 2010's