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AMD’s RDNA 2.0, Intel Rocket Lake, NEW x86 CPU, $600 4K 144Hz|Broken Silicon 34 (Patreon)

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2020-02-04 07:31:52
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This episode is really all about Next Gen EVERYTHING. Next Gen AMD RDNA. Next Gen Nvidia Ampere. Next Gen Rocket Lake and Lakefield. Things are heating up in low power…

1) 0:30 Intro Banter

2) 7:27 Quantum & Crypto

3) 12:50 New x86 Competitor in DIY!!!

4) 15:35 Finally reasonably Priced 4K@144Hz Monitors!!!

5) 23:20 Rocket Lake, Intel Price Cuts, & PCIE 4.0

6) 38:00 i5 Lakefield, Intel on 14nm Globalfoundry

7) 40:00 New Intel Vulnerability, 7nm Intel GPU’s

8) 49:45 MX350 is Pointless

9) 57:00 Renoir and RDNA 2.0

10) 1:07:30 Big Navi vs Nvidia Ampere

11) 1:25:00 RX 5600XT BS, and AMD’s Indecisiveness

12) 1:39:00 AIO vs Air Cooling for CPU’s, The USB-C Mandate

https://www.anandtech.com/show/15446/zhaoxins-x86compatible-cpus-for-diy-enthusiasts-now-available

https://www.kitguru.net/peripherals/monitors/james-dawson/eve-introduces-its-new-spectrum-monitor-series/

https://evedevices.com/pages/order

https://adoredtv.com/intel-rocket-lake-cpus-to-use-separate-die-for-integrated-graphics/

https://wccftech.com/intel-desktop-pc-cpu-price-cut-2020-tackle-amd-zen-3/

https://twitter.com/TUM_APISAK/status/1222049248297930753

https://www.techspot.com/news/83754-researchers-disclose-new-cacheout-attack-targets-intel-processors.html

https://adoredtv.com/exclusive-intel-second-generation-dg2-gpu-to-use-tsmcs-7nm-node/

https://youtu.be/lb7qh4dtA7c

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-mx350-and-mx330-to-feature-pascal-architecture

https://wccftech.com/rumor-intel-moving-select-cpus-to-globalfoundries/

https://www.techpowerup.com/263318/intel-400-series-chipset-motherboards-to-lack-pcie-gen-4-0-launch-pushed-to-q2

https://www.notebookcheck.net/This-is-why-Ryzen-4000-Renoir-APUs-can-offer-59-higher-performance-per-CU-despite-still-being-on-Vega.449849.0.html

https://www.techpowerup.com/263384/amd-to-debut-2nd-gen-rdna-architecture-in-2020

https://www.techspot.com/news/83771-amd-reports-record-quarterly-yearly-revenue-navi-refresh.html

https://wccftech.com/nvidia-next-gen-ampere-gpu-75-percent-faster-existing-gpus/

https://youtu.be/qcAwR49zRCg

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TSPCFS

lake field discussion seems to start about 35:30, not 38:00

The Immortal Cameraman

•My first point is regarding the MX250: Dan, there are laptops with 4K displays (usually 2-in-1 laptops) with MX250 GPUs. I even see MX150s once in awhile with 4K touchscreens. Or GTX 1050/1050 Ti laptops with 4K displays. It's kind of annoying how common those are compared to how rare 4K displays are in laptops with a 2070 or 2080. The MX150, MX250, and MX350 have no business being in laptops with 4K displays, period. They should be relegated to laptops below $900, ditto any GeForce xx50 SKU. I'm sick of seeing near-$2000 laptops rocking either GPU. •Regarding Vega 30 (Renoir Vega), I know Big Navi is coming and the RDNA 2.0 architecture is imminent. However, I would love to see a Radeon VII successor with the same tweaks to the Vega architecture seen in Renoir. If that happened, AMD would need to market such a GPU as a prosumer product instead of a "gamer" product. Given Vega's ability to render and game in parallel, I'd rather get a 3rd Gen Vega card over RDNA 2.0. Unless the biggest Navi card can do everything Vega can, but way better (50%+ in every aspect). I think RDNA compliments Vega's (GCN's) weaknesses enough to justify a prosumer card that could game on the side, similar to 3rd Gen Threadripper. Since Vega doesn't scale linearly, I don't doubt a hypothetical 45% increase in performance for a 3rd Gen Vega replacement to the Radeon VII, 60CU and all. I don't make enough money to justify a workstation, so I'd like my card to be a jack-of-all-trades, similar to Radeon VII. I ❤️ Radeon VII, fight me. •Speaking of Renoir, I would love to have a 5700M or 6700M (next year, I hope) laptop paired with a Renoir APU (4800H or its successor) that had the gaming chops of an RX 560/570 with a 4+ hour battery life. Basically, it's either efficient enough to game for at least 4 hours on a 65Whr-74Whr battery, or GIGABYTE comes out with an all-AMD Aero 15 with its 94Whr battery. You know what? Someone needs to invest in Sapphire and have them design AMD laptops. •As for "disruptive 4K performance," I agree Big Navi and "Nvidia Killer" would need to slap the 2080 Ti and Titan RTX with 4K60 @$649 and 4K120 @$949 USD, respectively. And stack a couple of SKUs between those price points, with a $719-$779 4K75 GPU and $829-$879 4K90 GPU. All at Ultra settings, of course. Considering Radeon VII can do 4K60 at high settings and the 5700 XT approaches 4K60 with mixed settings, I don't see why AMD wouldn't do this to screw with Nvidia.

TSPCFS
>>32147718

regarding your last bullet..... that is way to many SKUs at that pricepoint, I would think. If you wanted to do that, a better way would be "watercooled edition" or something. Where MSRP is higher because water cooling is required by AIBs. That would also allow higher baseline clocks, yeah?

The Immortal Cameraman
>>32147718

Water-cooled editions work. I just want AMD to have more than two options at the high-end. Partly because of yields, so they could cut down the die for lower SKUs, and partly to force Nvidia's hand into pricing their products more aggressively. The 4K75 and 4K90 SKUs could be a single 4K90 SKU. The 4K 120 Could be the LC edition or something.

MooresLawIsDead
>>32147718

I mean I agree that a Prosumer version of 128CU Arcturus would be incredible if it worked how we would ideally want it to. Ideally for me would indeed be a 20% IPC increase with more CU's (96-112?), 24-32GB of HBM2E, and all of this still fitting in a <350w dualslot card. In otherwords - it would need to be 50% higher gaming performance than the RADEON VII, and an even greater increase in rendering/encoding/multi-tasking/etc performance for under $1500. However I think it is worth mentioning that there's a decent chance this "Arcturus" thing legitimately won't be able game more than 20-40% better than RADEON VII, if it can even game at all (There are rumors it straight-up won't game at all). Even with that massive CU increase and a ridiculous amount of memory & bandwidth - GCN is kinda tapped out in gaming. Additionally, I wouldn't rule out the possibility that a 80CU RDNA 2.0 with refined drivers may blow even a 128CU GCN card out of the water in most professional tasks. Although I do somewhat doubt it could ever multi-task as well...but if you think about it, Vega was always good at multi-tasking mostly because it just wasn't utilizing those thousands of SP's effectively. Heck I know a direct quote from an AMD engineer that stated the Fury X was only ever really hitting 75% utilization. GCN was never really meant to go past 3072 SP's for gaming...

The Immortal Cameraman
>>32147718

"Additionally, I wouldn't rule out the possibility that a 80CU RDNA 2.0 with refined drivers may blow even a 128CU GCN card out of the water in most professional tasks." I'll cut off at that part just for the sake of briefness. I love multitasking and Vega definitely does that well because of how much it stalls. However, I'm not eliminating the possibility of an upgrade to the top SKU RDNA 2.0 or RDNA 3.0 (let's go with that for now) if it's more than "competent" at the tasks Vega excels at. If I insist on compromising and end up having both cards, I'd have to go ATX to enjoy the best of both worlds..