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Edited | Shogun| Episode 10 (Patreon)

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2024-05-16 11:02:19
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2024-05-16 11:06:36
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"A Dream Of A Dream"

Finally able to get this done and posted! Thanks for hanging in there for us! This show has left us utterly speechless. SUCH an amazing and unexpected ending!! Alot of tears these past two eps but we really enjoyed it, and are totally mind-blown by Toranaga's sinister genius. This is absolutely at the top of our favorites list, hands down. What'd you think? Appreciate you for watching!

We're planning on jumping into Fallout for our next live-action! Hope you choose to watch along with us!
-Haylo & Kiss 💕

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Randy Flash

How good is this show? I kinda feel like watching it

Callum Campbell

Blackthorne never made it out of Japan actually. The flash forward is the future that he wanted before but when he tried to take his own life his old it represented his old self dying

Omniousbag

The moment Blackthorne threatens to kill himself for the village is when he gives up on his dream of returning to England, it wasn't a flash forward, just a dream. 'We live and we die' shows him finally understanding what Mariko was trying to tell him about the purpose of death.

Frits__

I want to thank you. Because you started to react to this show I was kinda "forced" to watch it too. And it has been pretty much the best live action show I've seen in years😊

Zach

Pretty sure they announced a season 2 is in the works for this. The book this is based on was a sort of historical fiction with Blackthorn having a real life counterpart. So while there is no book 2 there are historical moments for them to use Toronaga in. Also, Edo becomes modern day Tokyo. Great show, loved your reactions!

Blue Pearl

The flash forwards weren't real, they were a dream/ potential future Blackthorne envisioned but ultimately decided to let go when he decided to commit sepukku and then when he dropped Mariko's cross into the lake. He'll likely never leave Japan, just like the real life person his character was based on.

swingo

I'm Japanese, but I didn't really understand the purpose of this episode. After listening to Haylo's explanation, I finally understood the overall theme of the story. Haylo is too smart.

Alex
>>138163970

After the events of season 1 Japan enters the Edo era with 200 years of peace before the Americans arrived so I'm not sure what kind of content they could squeeze into a 2nd season. I'd rather them just leave this masterpiece alone instead of milking it.

Mahad Ali

Regarding the “have many daughters” line. When it comes to animal breeding, the female of each species is often more valuable than the male. Because u need only a few males to sire hundreds of offspring. But females are limited by the number of offspring they can carry with each pregnancy and the length of pregnancies. So in order to greatly increase the size of her “clan” the falcon needs to have many daughters.

Mahad Ali
>>138172191

I’m Somali and we have a saying that expresses the difference in value of male and female offspring when it comes to animal husbandry. The saying translates to “to the man asleep, a bull is born”. Meaning that if u r not on top of things, you’ll be cheated and your baby cow will be switched at birth with a baby bull.

Mahad Ali
>>138164225

Yes. Although I think the show did a poor job of demonstrating that the flash forward was not real. The Anjin came to Japan for wealth and glory. That was the future he was envisioning. And u see him subtly close off that future when he decides to offer his life in return for the villagers. I only know this because the show runners explained it on the show’s podcast. It was way too subtle on the show.

Dennis Jensen

The episodes name is Dream in a dream. He was just dreaming about getting old, as he actually never left Japan. He also became the first non-japanese samurai. Also when Toranaga tells yabushige "why tell a dead man the future", its actually something Yabushige told Omi in the first episode. Which means Omi have been loyal to Toranaga all this time, even though it didnt look like it.

Zach
>>138163970

Agreed. I wasn't looking for another season with no source material to go off of. I would much rather them adapt another one of the books that takes place at different times in Asia.

BrickHowse

Ok so, Tokugawa Ieyasu (Toranaga), sacrificed alot of people, and he deceived essentially everyone close to him as well as his enemies. And in the end, he ushered in nearly 300 years of peace, economic growth and relative political stability. And this, after hundreds of years of military conflict. He's depicted alot in Japanese cinema and entertainment, for very good reason. But this portrayal of his by Sanada, is by far my fav iteration of the man. So happy you enjoyed this!

Charity Konusser (the chonus)
>>138163970

Yeah - it's perfect as it is, and it did adapt the entire novel, so it should be left alone, but alas, money is king, and Netflix have inked a deal for *two more seasons* of Shōgun. Which is just... sad, really. Not *everything* has to have a sequel.

Charity Konusser (the chonus)
>>138164225

It's not subtle at all - in the "dream" of him as an old man, he and his children are discussing Mariko's rosary, but at the end of the episode he drops it in the water. It couldn't be clearer that the vision of him as an old man in England was just that - a vision. And the title of the episode is there to put an exclamation point on it and underline it.

Matthew Heffner

To quote Ochiba "His secret heart is no secret to me"