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Edited | Attack On Titan | 4x15 (Patreon)

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"Sole Salvation"

NO WAY.
We are in shock and disbelief after this revealed plan..... Such a tragic and cruel world to grow up in 😭💔 Nearly every single episode of this season has been SO draining emotionally and mentally, but we love it so much and we're trying our best to grasp it fully!! We appreciate your support and can't wait for the next one!
-Haylo & Kiss 💕

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Bishal Adhikari

"That's so opposite of Eren" loved it..never thought of it that way

Jeremy

Off topic, but the patreon video player always takes so much longer to load than a youtube video at the same quality.

Aaron Herndon

The shock was priceless lol

James Lyles

What makes this show so great, and y’all will come to learn it, is that it makes you question who truly is right and wrong.

PKS

Such a critical detail, its utterly necessary to have a good throw for being a beast titan 🫡

Monkey D. Tomy

Better plan than some other one 👀💀

Jonathan Charles

It's okay to be confused. All in due time!

Reginald

Freedom from suffering from inexistence

Reginald

I AM SO GLAD YOU SAID SOMETHING(im not gonna say who said it or what they said cause i know what happens next but i am very glad it was said)

Corey Hughes

As a huge fan of the show, I genuinely don't understand why Eren and Zeke choose not to touch in that scene. Why wait?

Nervous

That was Commander Magath, not the armored titan.

Solemnity

"Because I was born into this world" doesn't necessarily conflict with "There's no greater salvation than never being born"

Reginald

Not to get too serious, but as someone who has experienced racism As well as witnessing others experience it. I have DEFINITELY FELT EXACTLY HOW ZEKE FEELS. Freedom from suffering through non-existence for me and everyone else in this group. This was before I’ve even seen or heard of this show. I used to think it was just me that think so dark and depressive. But when i saw this episode for the first time, i had no blame for zeke and completely understand him. Which is funny to think of talking about a fictional character. My biggest question tho is, HOW IN THE FUCK DID ISAYAMA KNOW THIS IS A MINDSET SOMEONE WHO ENDURES THIS TREATMENT COULD ARRIVE TO? I swear that man is a genius. Also I understand the nature of topics like this, so i wasn’t trying to open that conversation i was just trying to help in the understanding of how a “zeke” can get to that mentality.

Reginald
>>137621382

They were too far away. They also dont know what would happen.

Reginald
>>137620703

Grisha isnt wrong for trying to teach his son these things. But zeke isnt wrong for just wanting to have fun.

Reginald

Also can you guys create a private pateron youtube that you can link your patreon videos to. Because patreon has been pretty buggy. Idk if its just me Thats experiencing this

Charlotte (edited)

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2024-05-16 15:26:24 as a casual watcher, same.
2024-05-16 15:26:24 as a casual watcher, same.
2024-05-16 15:26:24 as a casual watcher, same.
2024-05-10 13:44:37 as a casual watcher, same.
>>137621382

as a casual watcher, same.

Xanakone SPT

I can't wait to see u guys watching all final season and got answers for every questions after ton of 'what' during watching this show.

Nik Maxwell
>>137621382

I assume it's to give them enough time to get Zeke's people in power in Paradis.

Stephen Ray

At least the sterilization plan was able to distract you from Levi.

Jake the Movie Geek

Here we go! I love Zeke’s perspective. For me after watching the Season 3 finale and Zeke killing Erwin and then finding out he turned in his mom and dad I was like: well makes sense. He’s the villain after all. After I watched this episode and got Zeke’s side of the story I was all “Yes! Report them!” I mean Dina was kinda nice trying to be supportive of her son but Grisha…. Man Grisha used his son as a tool and nothing more. He was even fine with his son dying in 13 years. So by the ending when the former Beast Titan tells Zeke that reporting his parents to Marley Public Security is his only hope I was all in agreement.

Kevin
>>137621382

Uhh. There’s lots of answers to this but I’m afraid talking about a lot of them will be spoilery. One easy one though is they don’t know what exactly will happen, but they do know they’re deep inside enemy territory atm. Imagine if they started enacting a plan and the Marleyans searched and found them. Easy slice and dice, dead Yeagers, plans over. If they both knew exactly what would happen and how to use the power maybe, but without that knowledge touching is super risky in Marley.

Kyu
>>137622027

I dont get it why people have problems with understanding Zeke its just a logical point of view. People dont need to share his views but should be able to understand, dont know...

B.G.

Great after show discussion, with some big brained points and ideas that were brought up.

Reginald
>>137622027

Zeke can even sometimes not see people as a person. But how can he be blamed for that belief when he himself was not treated as a person Not just by the world even his own family…not. Saying i blame grisha at all cause the dude was so locked in to getting revenge for his sister His marriage was a tool to get that.

Reginald
>>137621599

My friend its Theo Magath. But i appreciate you trying to help

Charlotte (edited)

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2024-05-16 15:26:24 Depends on your priority I guess :/
2024-05-16 15:26:24 Depends on your priority I guess :/
2024-05-16 15:26:24 Depends on your priority I guess :/
2024-05-10 14:11:13 Depends on your priority I guess :/
>>137620723

Depends on your priority I guess :/

Gabriel Rodriguez

yeah i mean the thing about trying to take the titan power away would make sense. but it’s not gonna change how people treat eldians. Leaving the kids to still suffer from systemic racism essentially and still end up slaves to other races bc of the past is why this plans makes the most sense i think

Charlotte (edited)

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2024-05-16 15:26:24 When I was a kid and went to see The Land Before Time at the movies I screamed at the baby dinosaur to run away from the T-Rex Anyway same energy from Kiss in this one
2024-05-16 15:26:24 When I was a kid and went to see The Land Before Time at the movies I screamed at the baby dinosaur to run away from the T-Rex Anyway same energy from Kiss in this one
2024-05-16 15:26:24 When I was a kid and went to see The Land Before Time at the movies I screamed at the baby dinosaur to run away from the T-Rex Anyway same energy from Kiss in this one
2024-05-10 14:17:22 When I was a kid and went to see The Land Before Time at the movies I screamed at the baby dinosaur to run away from the T-Rex Anyway same energy from Kiss in this one

When I was a kid and went to see The Land Before Time at the movies I screamed at the baby dinosaur to run away from the T-Rex Anyway same energy from Kiss in this one

Joshua Martinez

I love that little sis always looks over at her big sis / Haley for confirmation anytime a point of interest happens in the show, its mad adorable haha

Hungery Hobo

Love this! have all the puzzle pieces but don’t know how they fit together this is amazing can’t wait for more episodes!

Christopher Andersen

4 more episodes until the greatest 3 episodes ever. 😎

Merfhew
>>137620345

Interesting. I never have that issue. What device are you watching on?

Costosou

One of my favorite episodes of all the show... I hated Zeke so much, but this backstory made me change the perspective about him

Randy Flash

I have watched AOT at least 10 times, and Haylee just made me realise something lol, it is true that the Euthanization plan fits Eren's initial goal of killing all the titans... like Holy Haylee!!! 🤯🤯🤯

Eric Dean Draven
>>137629708

It's easy to ask that, right? But then what can defend Paradis from outside forces and what use are the Eldians to Marley? They would all be killed :\

RawrSaur

Sooo... When will you start doing 20 episodes a day? .. I need more xD

Kevin Narciso

When you mentioned Eren is acting out of character, that is ESSENTIALLY this entire season. Hardcore fans who refuses to take off their rose tinted goggles just can't accept that you can be a fan of something but still criticize it. Everyone acting so differently is Isayama san's way of trying to distact and confuse people in order to move this convoluted plot forward with ulterior motives and double double double double crossing agendas. IMO, it never hit it's landing and comes out extremely forced story writing instead of genuine.

PKS
>>137629708

Make Eldians so they are Unable to turn into Titan, thats not in Founding titan hand. God who made titan will be above Founding titan. Otherwise during vow renouncing war, King Fritz would have done so.

PKS

If founding titan can change Eldians so they dont turn into Titans, then King Fritz who stopped the Great Titan War, would have done so instead of creating vow to renounce war.

PKS
>>137647230

then you only skimmed through 9 times.

Randy Flash
>>137647230

I just never thought about it, u can't tell me that you do not constantly get new stuff after each rewatch

Iceman Radioactive formerly Joe (Moore)-An, a.k.a. No Meds Muscles Ripley, Stalwart Neelix Defender, currently adrift in space
>>137621382

this is one of the major problems in this story. being linked through the paths means distance is not an issue. people being in power in paradis means nothing. the plan is enacted and once done cannot be undone. marleyans finding them means nothing cause they can just transform and run. any warriors trying to stop them could be controlled by the founder. i hate when you stretch out a story because you dont know where its going, and then your solution ultimately makes no sense in context. watching these reactions are fun, but where it goes......ooof

Iceman Radioactive formerly Joe (Moore)-An, a.k.a. No Meds Muscles Ripley, Stalwart Neelix Defender, currently adrift in space
>>137629708

as stated in this episode, the founder can change all eldians dna through the paths. eradicating a plague is no different then changing the nines spinal fluid so they cant transform. passing one of the nine through the paths upon non transfer death can also be prevented through the founders will. basically the founder is all powerful in any situation dealing with titans. this is where the writing starts to fall apart unfortunately

Maia Brodsky

The guy training Zeke and the other candidates was Magath. He's still doing the same job.

Rafael Ramirez
>>137621382

Maybe Zeke wanted to set up some safeguards to make sure Eren and enough people in Paradis would go ahead with his plan. Zeke has to be sure Eren is with him, as well as keeping Paradis from taking the Founder from Eren and reversing the euthanization plan either immediately or much later once Zeke and/or Eren have passed. By having Yelena and the Jaegarists control the island they can maintain order for long enough for the Eldian population to age and not be a threat.

Hans
>>137660119

Criticizing it is fine, however it isn't that deep when it comes to what you said about Isayama. The story is about the characters and how they navigate real world issues. Some people just want a simple shonen or "good guy defeats the bad", and that's okay too, but this is not that.

Anguis Viridis

Great reaction to this gutwrencher! Honestly, it reaffirms the importance of being a good parent, every time I watch it. Add in all the other moral dilemmas brought forth in this episode and you have one of the greatest of this incredible show.

nikito1

Eren is the son Grisha wanted in Marley! Zeke is the son he wanted in Paradise Island

Charles Malo (edited)

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2024-05-16 15:26:24 Haylo/Kiss. I want you to play a little mini game with me. Every episode (including this one), I want you in the post discussion to ask yourself: who's right/wrong, or who's MORE right or MORE wrong? And better yet, ask yourself, what would YOU do if you were any of the characters that the episode focused on, to solve this problem. And watch how your own stance is going to flicker left and right every single episode. PS: Good on you for noticing that "this doesnt sound like the eren we know, Eren's always taken PRIDE that he was born in this world, that he is free to do whatever he wanted because he has the right to it by simply existing...which is a steep contrast with what this nihilistic approach that Zeke, his own brother, has : aka : freedom was never having been born in this world, because all the pain and suffering that comes with it (done to you or BY you), isn't worth it. PS: The "Euthanization plan is more along of the lines of not having children again, not to eradicate eldians right now. It's genocide but futuristic genocide. But I guess the question is: would eren agree to this if it meant that his friends and family can live freely and just LIVE even if they made them all infertile basically to have their own kin/children." Also : MY GOD that callback to when he was in contact with annie in season 1 and was kinda "high on rage", and he was yelling "I'm going to kill all the titans, I'm going to kill everyone." is such a nice callback that reactors often forget about, and yeah it's definitely scary how this show leave little tidbits (whether by the writers, or animation team, or just by the character themselves) that make it so that Eren's actions now, however "off brand" they are to the eren we were watching before... kinda still feel ON brand for the same eren we watched, except, it's kinda just been something eerie happening in the background, not the foreground. Whether any of this matters, is a good question, but the fact that it makes reactors look back at this mometn and go "wait... is this ACTUALLY out of character for eren or was he always this way and we never actually wanted to believe it?", that little SHRED of doubt or evidence in itself, makes this arc so interesting because you actually cant tell where Eren's allegiance or goal is... Heck, it makes you even think back at the time when Eren was running away from annie in the forest with Levi squad, and he had to make "the choice" that levi told him about: take matters in his own hands, or rely on his friends and comrades... At the time he chose to rely on his comrades and immediately regretted it, which is something levi warned him not to regret. Also i just realized that Levi told his squad "leave him be, let him make his own decision, you cant tame a beast or monster, and he's a monster on the inside and i can feel it... do what you want you want to do eren, either go in and attack alone, or rely on us and trust in us.. i dont know what is the right answer, but whatever you decide, pick the thing you'll regret the least." In fact Haylo/kiss: fun fact: Notice how in earlier seasons we were hearing eren's monologue almost nonstop? But this season we've mostly just been seeing eren's ACTIONS through other people's eyes or memories or monologues, or from what eren says instead of "thinks"? The writer is intentionally not letting us in inside of Eren's psyche mind right now, and we're meant to draw our own theories and conclusions.
2024-05-16 15:26:24 Haylo/Kiss. I want you to play a little mini game with me. Every episode (including this one), I want you in the post discussion to ask yourself: who's right/wrong, or who's MORE right or MORE wrong? And better yet, ask yourself, what would YOU do if you were any of the characters that the episode focused on, to solve this problem. And watch how your own stance is going to flicker left and right every single episode. PS: Good on you for noticing that "this doesnt sound like the eren we know, Eren's always taken PRIDE that he was born in this world, that he is free to do whatever he wanted because he has the right to it by simply existing...which is a steep contrast with what this nihilistic approach that Zeke, his own brother, has : aka : freedom was never having been born in this world, because all the pain and suffering that comes with it (done to you or BY you), isn't worth it. PS: The "Euthanization plan is more along of the lines of not having children again, not to eradicate eldians right now. It's genocide but futuristic genocide. But I guess the question is: would eren agree to this if it meant that his friends and family can live freely and just LIVE even if they made them all infertile basically to have their own kin/children." Also : MY GOD that callback to when he was in contact with annie in season 1 and was kinda "high on rage", and he was yelling "I'm going to kill all the titans, I'm going to kill everyone." is such a nice callback that reactors often forget about, and yeah it's definitely scary how this show leave little tidbits (whether by the writers, or animation team, or just by the character themselves) that make it so that Eren's actions now, however "off brand" they are to the eren we were watching before... kinda still feel ON brand for the same eren we watched, except, it's kinda just been something eerie happening in the background, not the foreground. Whether any of this matters, is a good question, but the fact that it makes reactors look back at this mometn and go "wait... is this ACTUALLY out of character for eren or was he always this way and we never actually wanted to believe it?", that little SHRED of doubt or evidence in itself, makes this arc so interesting because you actually cant tell where Eren's allegiance or goal is... Heck, it makes you even think back at the time when Eren was running away from annie in the forest with Levi squad, and he had to make "the choice" that levi told him about: take matters in his own hands, or rely on his friends and comrades... At the time he chose to rely on his comrades and immediately regretted it, which is something levi warned him not to regret. Also i just realized that Levi told his squad "leave him be, let him make his own decision, you cant tame a beast or monster, and he's a monster on the inside and i can feel it... do what you want you want to do eren, either go in and attack alone, or rely on us and trust in us.. i dont know what is the right answer, but whatever you decide, pick the thing you'll regret the least." In fact Haylo/kiss: fun fact: Notice how in earlier seasons we were hearing eren's monologue almost nonstop? But this season we've mostly just been seeing eren's ACTIONS through other people's eyes or memories or monologues, or from what eren says instead of "thinks"? The writer is intentionally not letting us in inside of Eren's psyche mind right now, and we're meant to draw our own theories and conclusions.
2024-05-11 00:04:51 Haylo/Kiss. I want you to play a little mini game with me. Every episode (including this one), I want you in the post discussion to ask yourself: who's right/wrong, or who's MORE right or MORE wrong? And better yet, ask yourself, what would YOU do if you were any of the characters that the episode focused on, to solve this problem. And watch how your own stance is going to flicker left and right every single episode. PS: Good on you for noticing that "this doesnt sound like the eren we know, Eren's always taken PRIDE that he was born in this world, that he is free to do whatever he wanted because he has the right to it by simply existing...which is a steep contrast with what this nihilistic approach that Zeke, his own brother, has : aka : freedom was never having been born in this world, because all the pain and suffering that comes with it (done to you or BY you), isn't worth it. PS: The "Euthanization plan is more along of the lines of not having children again, not to eradicate eldians right now. It's genocide but futuristic genocide. But I guess the question is: would eren agree to this if it meant that his friends and family can live freely and just LIVE even if they made them all infertile basically to have their own kin/children." Also : MY GOD that callback to when he was in contact with annie in season 1 and was kinda "high on rage", and he was yelling "I'm going to kill all the titans, I'm going to kill everyone." is such a nice callback that reactors often forget about, and yeah it's definitely scary how this show leave little tidbits (whether by the writers, or animation team, or just by the character themselves) that make it so that Eren's actions now, however "off brand" they are to the eren we were watching before... kinda still feel ON brand for the same eren we watched, except, it's kinda just been something eerie happening in the background, not the foreground. Whether any of this matters, is a good question, but the fact that it makes reactors look back at this mometn and go "wait... is this ACTUALLY out of character for eren or was he always this way and we never actually wanted to believe it?", that little SHRED of doubt or evidence in itself, makes this arc so interesting because you actually cant tell where Eren's allegiance or goal is... Heck, it makes you even think back at the time when Eren was running away from annie in the forest with Levi squad, and he had to make "the choice" that levi told him about: take matters in his own hands, or rely on his friends and comrades... At the time he chose to rely on his comrades and immediately regretted it, which is something levi warned him not to regret. Also i just realized that Levi told his squad "leave him be, let him make his own decision, you cant tame a beast or monster, and he's a monster on the inside and i can feel it... do what you want you want to do eren, either go in and attack alone, or rely on us and trust in us.. i dont know what is the right answer, but whatever you decide, pick the thing you'll regret the least." In fact Haylo/kiss: fun fact: Notice how in earlier seasons we were hearing eren's monologue almost nonstop? But this season we've mostly just been seeing eren's ACTIONS through other people's eyes or memories or monologues, or from what eren says instead of "thinks"? The writer is intentionally not letting us in inside of Eren's psyche mind right now, and we're meant to draw our own theories and conclusions.

Haylo/Kiss. I want you to play a little mini game with me. Every episode (including this one), I want you in the post discussion to ask yourself: who's right/wrong, or who's MORE right or MORE wrong? And better yet, ask yourself, what would YOU do if you were any of the characters that the episode focused on, to solve this problem. And watch how your own stance is going to flicker left and right every single episode. PS: Good on you for noticing that "this doesnt sound like the eren we know, Eren's always taken PRIDE that he was born in this world, that he is free to do whatever he wanted because he has the right to it by simply existing...which is a steep contrast with what this nihilistic approach that Zeke, his own brother, has : aka : freedom was never having been born in this world, because all the pain and suffering that comes with it (done to you or BY you), isn't worth it. PS: The "Euthanization plan is more along of the lines of not having children again, not to eradicate eldians right now. It's genocide but futuristic genocide. But I guess the question is: would eren agree to this if it meant that his friends and family can live freely and just LIVE even if they made them all infertile basically to have their own kin/children." Also : MY GOD that callback to when he was in contact with annie in season 1 and was kinda "high on rage", and he was yelling "I'm going to kill all the titans, I'm going to kill everyone." is such a nice callback that reactors often forget about, and yeah it's definitely scary how this show leave little tidbits (whether by the writers, or animation team, or just by the character themselves) that make it so that Eren's actions now, however "off brand" they are to the eren we were watching before... kinda still feel ON brand for the same eren we watched, except, it's kinda just been something eerie happening in the background, not the foreground. Whether any of this matters, is a good question, but the fact that it makes reactors look back at this mometn and go "wait... is this ACTUALLY out of character for eren or was he always this way and we never actually wanted to believe it?", that little SHRED of doubt or evidence in itself, makes this arc so interesting because you actually cant tell where Eren's allegiance or goal is... Heck, it makes you even think back at the time when Eren was running away from annie in the forest with Levi squad, and he had to make "the choice" that levi told him about: take matters in his own hands, or rely on his friends and comrades... At the time he chose to rely on his comrades and immediately regretted it, which is something levi warned him not to regret. Also i just realized that Levi told his squad "leave him be, let him make his own decision, you cant tame a beast or monster, and he's a monster on the inside and i can feel it... do what you want you want to do eren, either go in and attack alone, or rely on us and trust in us.. i dont know what is the right answer, but whatever you decide, pick the thing you'll regret the least." In fact Haylo/kiss: fun fact: Notice how in earlier seasons we were hearing eren's monologue almost nonstop? But this season we've mostly just been seeing eren's ACTIONS through other people's eyes or memories or monologues, or from what eren says instead of "thinks"? The writer is intentionally not letting us in inside of Eren's psyche mind right now, and we're meant to draw our own theories and conclusions.

fr0st

Really enjoying how the discussion segments at the end are slowly getting longer as y'all ask all really good questions and discuss some really cool stuff you're picking up!

fr0st

Also good questions but consider that the Eldians are between a rock and hard place. Either they are historically dangerous killers because they can turn into titans at will or they could have no powers at all but would the world believe them if they said that and just take the chance or just wipe them out anyway for safety

fr0st
>>137662259

Yeah imagine being the adult who has to train and select at least two generations (where a generation is 13 years of "service") of kids to be child soldiers and eventually titan shifters, shortening their lives by a lot

j m

It's interesting to see the connections and discussion you two have. Its a bit different from when we had to wait for the episodes to release and literal years for new seasons. You two are so smort

Charlotte (edited)

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2024-05-16 15:26:24 I understand the point of view, I just don't get where he thinks he gets to make that decision for an entire people who has survived for a hundred years despite those circumstances
2024-05-16 15:26:24 I understand the point of view, I just don't get where he thinks he gets to make that decision for an entire people who has survived for a hundred years despite those circumstances
2024-05-16 15:26:24 I understand the point of view, I just don't get where he thinks he gets to make that decision for an entire people who has survived for a hundred years despite those circumstances
2024-05-11 09:46:58 I understand the point of view, I just don't get where he thinks he gets to make that decision for an entire people who has survived for a hundred years despite those circumstances
>>137622027

I understand the point of view, I just don't get where he thinks he gets to make that decision for an entire people who has survived for a hundred years despite those circumstances

Reginald
>>137622027

Grisha Jeagar - “Zeke you’re going to save everyone” Its not just about eldia

Reginald

SPOILER WARNING SPOILER WARNING SPOILER WARNING SPOILER WARNING SPOILER WARNING SPOILER WARNING SPOILER WARNING ⚠️ ⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️ I just realized that Mr Ksaver’s titan is on the desk of his dead family memory.

kabinyo

Just to let you know you guys are coming up on another 3 episode run like the one in season 3 and earlier this season, that'd be good for a multi drop. Episodes 19-21 would work great for that.

baja
>>137660119

Its not as convoluted as you say The whole season does not show eren's pov/inner dialogue/ thoughts and screentime. And yet every movement happening is due to him. It was to make you question his actions the same way the 104th squad is doing because he is a beloved character, both among the personalities in the story and irl. Its forcing people to as conflicted as his peers

lexellent

"My mind is blown to pieces" "Yeah,like hopefully Levi isn't" 😂😂 😂

Golden Hotdog

This was the episode that made zeke my favourite chracter in the series.

aryan2k2
>>137705180

This is more of a fun fact than a spoiler tbh... like agreed it's not something that is revealed to them but at the same time it's not something that spoils the story or reveals any particular plot point in the future.

liu shi

Crazy Grisha and his two fucked up sons.

dreg

SAVE US HANGE

Phillip

im just freaking out... yes the different stories are both propaganda...you can kinda piece what really happened together but there is no absolute truth because both sides use almost myth like stories and histories and both sides skew the truth to fit their side genocide is NOT the answer!

Kevin
>>137621382

@Iceman. My dude. Just because you don’t understand a story or plot doesn’t mean it’s bad. I’d strongly suggest learning some humility and recognizing that you aren’t the smartest person in the room. You could simply ask others who understand the plot rather than insult the author.

jake thomson
>>137835208

But there is actually more proof that marleys version is more true than eldians because of the ymir flashback and seeing how eldian was actually infant a military dictatorship that used titans to subdue marley and the other nations

Phillip
>>137835208

"more proof" its interesting to the extent of how the story unfolds (and we will never have a complete factual version of events objectively) but its not who is more right or wrong...the point is both side use propaganda to justify their side and war is bad lets try to stop the genocide