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Buffy The Vampire Slayer S07E06 - Him FULL REACTION (Patreon)

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seekingoutfriday

I really don't like this episode either. But I can't hate it. Because the Buffy/Principal Wood/Spike/RocketLauncher is still the funniest gag the show has done.

s jaco

This is very obviously a light episode to sort of balance out the two heavier episodes that preceded it. Though I love Buffy's quote, that no men is worth your life ever, it's definitely not as strong as the episodes we've seen so far.

HuntingSwan

This episode sucks. Big hairy balls of suckdom. But I think it's the worst of the season so that's a plus.

Second_Strike

A lot of funny bits in an episode that, as you pointed out, just didn't age well. Spike and Xander scenes were all hilarious, especially with the rocket launcher. Also for those keeping track, this is like the third or fourth time Willow has assaulted or attempted to assault somebody (although this time she was herself being assaulted, I'm going to argue that she was not in control of her own actions.) God this is such an amazing show that just has an absolutely terrible track record with consent issues. No joke every main character, and most of the recurring characters have been sexually assaulted in some way. It's unreal.

Holi117

even though this episode has some funny lines and moments, i always skip it. I find it so out of place for the season and where the arc is going, and it has always felt like a "waste of a go" to me. Best part is the shot out of Principal Wood's window, Buffy and Spike fighting over the rocket launcher lol.

Shashank

It's like they were trying to recapture the charm of the problematic but enjoyable episode Bewitched Bothered and Bewildered from season 2. Willow calls on the goddess Hecate which is the same goddess Amy called on in BBB for Xander’s love spell. But these characters are too different and gone through too much for that kind of story to work, the tone feels forced and all the problematic aspects of BBB are even more problematic here. Buffy works best when the writers write from where the charters are now, whatever the tone. This felt like a nostalgic call back that failed, while the ending of episode one was also a nostalgic call back but it worked because it was rooted in what is happening now[Spike having a soul, his craziness and whatever is happening in Sunnydale]. There are a few interesting side things in this, mostly to do with Spike. Weird but intentional [?] minor parallels with RJ and Spike. Both were aspiring poets before they put on a “jacket” which changed them. There is a lot of talk about RJ’s soul and Spikes soul here. It’s implied without the Jacket RJ will just go back to being who he was. What we don’t really know is what kind of a man/vampire a souled Spike will be yet. It’s the main interesting question of the season so far for me. It seems clear it’s not just the old William, much like Angel isn’t just Liam. Though we don’t get an answer here, at least Spikes stepped out of his mental and physical imprisonment in the basement….this episode he felt like he was there with the gang not just in his head or trying on roles for Buffy. I find Buffy’s almost paternal concern for souled Spike endearing. Worst episode of the season in my opinion, but still puts a smile on my face a few times. Also Shan is so right about Buffy’s hair this episode.

Alexandra Wege

I think the spell on the jacket is supposed to work only on girls and women, no matter their orientation (after all it's a spell). I still believe the episode would've been funnier if Willow had actually managed to turn whatshisface into a girl. That would've taught him not to mess with magic.

Holi117
>>18813144

dont think he had any idea his jacket was magic though.

Signe (Seena) Stewart

This episode is so incredibly cringy. Beyond belief!!!! Especially in the beginning. Also, we know Dawn is a great dancer, so her tanking the audition is just weird... out of character. Always bothers me. It is the worst episode of the otherwise great season, though. So no more unbelievable low point.... Spike and Buffy fighting over a bazooka and "alpha mater" are high points for me. It does have genuinely funny moments amid the hot mess

Ekko

So many cringeworthy and problematic moments in this episode but your reaction made it entertaining (also the many "Hey, it's that guy/girl!" moments with Riki Lindhome, Clementine from Westworld and Garrus Vakarian from Mass Effect playing minor roles. As well as the jarringly out of place Coldplay song) I get why the Scoobies are so distrustful of Spike, he tries to rape Buffy then disappears for a while and when comes back he claims to have gotten his soul back, therefore he can't be held responsible for his past bad deeds. It's awfully convenient and, as far as they know, impossible without being cursed like Angel was.

Kelly Marie

The rocket launcher was the funniest part of the episode.

Bisibia

Meh... I like this episode. It's a candy one, but I mean, don't we need a few of these after the intense depression of season 6 and the super heavy themes of the first 5 episodes of this season. This feels like a throwback to a random filler episode in season 2 or 3 to me.

John Boehmer

31:30 Anya's side-eye game is strong.

Lisa Irv

Not my favorite episode but also not my least favorite of the season. Some great funny bits and callbacks, and I agree it was nice to see Xander and Spike working together. I also really like the Buffy and Anya moment at the beginning.

chris bullers

I mean we dont know the nature of the spell that was invoked so the details of whether Willow should have fallen, or whether a gay man would have fallen for RJ are sort of academic, but is it any more weird than Dru falling for Xander??? Anyway, its really down to business after this episode so lets move on!

Bria Bey

Spike scenes were my favorite part of the episode. Mainly the scene at the beginning when he moves in with Xander. I didn't mind this episode much because it was just meant to be a light and funny episode not to be taken too seriously.

CaptainNice

Love spell stories do have an uncomfortable nonconsensual element to them... In Marvel, Thanos' half-brother Starfox has that ability, don't think we'll see him in the MCU. This was Riki Lindhome's 1st or 2nd TV appearance (2002, age 23). You didn't link "Him" for pretty much the same reasons you didn't like the "Another Period" pilot, her 1st co-created show. (Did someone suggest the watching order, or was it just by chance?) Did starting her career with this messed up story cause Riki to be the way she is? Riki is also half of the duo "Garfunkel and Oates", they have a bunch of equally messed up (and kinda funny) songs. I found out about them when Weird Al did a cameo on their song "F**k You"... Anyhow, glad to see you didn't melt into a puddle from the heat, I was starting to worry :)

Bruce Trogdon

OFV I didn't like this one much either but I'm not sure I understand your comments at the end. Doing bad things to people was presented as being bad in the episode, not endorsing them. Dawn laid out the thesis for the episode,“I just don't understand these relationships where you all do insane things” and Buffy summarized it with “Get ready to feel even stupider when it's not [because of a spell].” Buffy can't explain her feelings about Spike. They just happen. Like magic. Some of the other things I like: *Buffy tries to prove herself worthy of someone's love without the benefit of a 'moral compass' and doesn't do any better than Spike did in Season Six. *Characters SAYING how unimportant Dawn is even though we have SEEN how formidable a person she has become. *Dawn's mistaken way of copying Buffy's sacrifice from “The Gift” to show how much she loved RJ. *Spike doesn't even like decorative Angel nic-nacs. *All of our main characters are back in place (sorry Giles, you're a recurring character) and all are human or have a human soul. Whatever the thing is that's coming, they are all at risk now. Time to start Season Seven.

Emma goldsbrough

I just love Spike and Buffy chase one another. Also when Dawn was in the office, she got up and left her bag and in the next scene she got her bag.

Talmet

I don't understand what you are talking about Shan, or other people here in the comments. I understand that the characters in the episode are doing some very questionable/horrible things....but isn't that the case in many episodes? I mean, the characters in Buffy are (generally) extremely well written, in large part because they are not perfect. They have flaws, make mistakes, do stupid/questionable/horrible things just like real people.

GottiHoncho

On the plus side people, buffy looked ridiculously hot this episode.

Jarrod Wild

I do really love Coldplay, one of the few positives of this episode.

Jarrod Wild
>>18814045

I do kinda like this episode too. It does feel like a season 1 episode even. When Buffy was in the stands wearing her shades, with the bangs hanging over her forehead, she looked a lot like season 1 Buffy. I was having flashbacks. :)

Mike Woodcock

Willow flayed a guy alive of her own free will. She prepared a gender-change spell under the influence of the jacket without her own consent.

Nick Velasquez

One of my least favorite episodes of the show. Until today I refused to rewatch it since it aired

Brian Rayburn

Not my favorite episode, but I enjoy it when I do happen to see it. I'm surprised it was Willow's spell that bugged Shan the most rather than Buffy being a counselor and taking advantage of a student. That's the only part that still leaves me feeling weird, yet some of the objections in the comments above are a perhaps a little over-the-top? Despite that, I still would rather watch an episode with one or two dated and cringy scenes but with some comedic quality than a more socially-current TV show that's mediocre in everything else.

UTU49
>>18811623

"... the Buffy/Principal Wood/Spike/RocketLauncher is still the funniest gag the show has done." Buffy and Spike fighting over the rocket launcher WAY in the background is just SO funny to me. And Principal Wood is completely oblivious. Hilarious and creatively silly.

JoDaNa81

At least the next episode is one of the best of season 7.

Bisibia
>>18817500

I LOVE Garfunkel and Oates. Their songs might be considered problematic sometimes, but they're 2 very open-minded liberal ladies who just tell things like they see them... so I never get offended by their comments.

KiwiJello

This was such a filler episode. I don't think it advanced the plot at all. Just a funny, little side jaunt. Now back to your regularly scheduled program :)

FernWithy

This was like a season 1 episode that wandered into season 7.

FernWithy

Okay, okay, real comment. I think that there are definitely consent issues, but don't think that wasn't a thing then--it was okay to joke about it, but it was certainly something that was out there and known. This was about the same time that the end of Harry Potter was coming out (well, a couple of years earlier), and the issue of Merope Gaunt's love spell on Tom Riddle was absolutely discussed when that happened. (Checked: It was 2002 for this, 2005 for HPB... an eyeblink in time.) That said, it was also a subject considered okay for humor (as in the far superior Bewitched, Bothered, and Bewildered). I assume the jacket is enchanted to attract women rather than men--about what RJ wants, rather than what the target wants. If RJ were gay, it would probably effect straight men, but not straight women. In general, I find this cringy on a lot of levels. I don't judge the under-a-spell women for what they do under the influence because consent and magic, but it does highlight a certain cavalier attitude toward older women preying on young boys (in this case, the boy was preying on them, which exonerates them, but the show doesn't have a great history with this... even as far back as Praying Mantis Lady, the problem seemed to be more with the fact that she was a praying mantis than with the fact that she was, you know, an adult in a position of authority). There's also the whole humiliation tango with Dawn at the beginning. I tend to crawl under things when there's public humiliation going on. It was also just not all that well put together as an episode, and it feels super weird at this point in the series.

Ariel17

I understand the negative critiques about this ep. Definitely not one my favorites but...I will never not laugh out loud at the part when Anya says: “His physical presence........has a PENIS!” 🤣 Emma Caulfield (much like Charisma Carpenter) has a real talent for delivery, especially comedic delivery.

raymond julien

Fantasy episodes like this can explore concepts like consent and make people think...(humour is a good tool because it's always based around elements of truth). Buffy's rocket launcher attack is terrorism, but so funny when Spike ran away with her launcher. Society is better off today because of shows like this. PS great reaction and comments from everyone.

mrvlgrl

but The Breeders are playing at The Bronze!

Brandon Wiesner

I get what you're saying. You have to remember though that it was a different time when the show was made. Of course this ep would never fly today but neither would a lot of the things they say and do on the show in general. Sometimes you just need to laugh or whatever and not be bogged down by modern sensibilities. This ep is comedic gold to me. I respect your position though.

cil

One of the worst episodes in the series.

Patrick Lyke

All I can say right now is I *CAN'T* wait to see next episode's reaction - one of my personal favs from the season! :)

Jarrod Wild
>>18835483

"I can work around it!" Willow's response is equally delivered well.

Richard Lucas

I’ve not watched season 7 since it originally aired, so I remember certain things that happen in the season, but other stuff is almost new again. I had completely forgotten that extra song from the Buffy musical last episode for example! So here are my thoughts for this episode: 1) I LOVED their use of the theme from (the movie) A Summer Place (you hear it when Dawn first sees RJ and elsewhere). I bet it cost Joss a pretty penny to use as it was a huge number one in the 60s. Usually he features new music that wants to be on the show so they probably get it pretty cheap. But that theme was PERFECT for the moments it was used. 2). I get the feeling that neither RJ nor his older brother knew what the jacket was doing, and so were not evil. I think they just thought they could turn on the charm and get any girl they wanted. Obviously some evil mage, whether their dad or long before that, put a fucked up spell on the jacket, but I feel like they were both clueless. 3) RJ reminded me from certain angles of the sexy blond brother on True Blood. I wonder if it’s the same actor when he was a bit younger? 4) Note how Willow’s power level rises and falls for plot convenience. A season ago when she was with Amy at the Bronz, she turned a guy into a girl by just pointing, but now she needs an elaborate ritual spell. 5) this was just a lightweight episode. One thing that surprised me was I thought the big train set piece at the end was very poorly shot to convey what was actually happening. Not common at all in Joss Whedon shows.

DavidRoel
>>18863964

<fanwank>Gender changing the guy at the Bronze was a superficial temporary glamour (as Jonathan's glamour spells, obviously cheap and easy spells), the spell for RJ was intended to be permanent.</fanwank>

CaptainNice
>>18853303

S7E07 is written by Jane Espenson, those are always fun and a bit quirky. She also wrote "Rm w/a Vu" and created Dennis. She also wrote 30 episodes of "Once Upon a Time", so we can expect that series to be fun and a bit odd. :)

Richard Lucas
>>18863964

I thought in general it was a bit weird as I always thought of Willow as bi, but leaning more lesbian. She truly deeply loved Oz, including being physical with him. She wasn’t using him as a beard. Just because she fell in love with Tara, I don’t think it suddenly made her 100% gay. And alt dimension vampire Willow was clearly bi, loving both vampire Xander and innocent Willow. I think the writers just did it in this episode for a cheap laugh. Not bad enough for my 10 worst Buffy’s, but kind of meh.

Bisibia

I'm actually pretty surprised by this reaction. You don't typically seem to get offended by much, especially not gender stereotypes, so I didn't expect this to make you feel so uncomfortable. Always keeping us on our toes Shan.

Ron Fehr

I'm guessing that Michelle Trachtenberg had to work hard to look like a really clumsy potential cheerleader. Apparently, she took ballet lessons when she was younger. Sidenote- That was the reason for her special scene in 'Once More With Feeling'.

Ron Fehr

Shan. You seemed confused about a couple of things when Buffy was going to kill principal Wood. Maybe a reminder helps. I think that the vehicle she drove was her mom's (the one she crashed in Band Candy). Although I don't know where it's been. Secondly, I guess she still had the rocket launcher from season 2.

Anonymous

Your reaction and some of the comments made me realize that I don't know as much of what's OK or not today as I thought. I thought I had a good sense of it but I clearly don't. Not that I ever really did, having Aspergers, but still. I think I'm getting old. :P

Jordan Haddow

First, I think that every time a love spell has been brought up in this show, it has always been looked at and shown to be a disasterous thing. I won't get too far into the Willow conversation other than to say to not forget that the spell was going to make Buffy murder a man and Dawn commit suicide by train. Lesson being, they were insane. One thing I found really neat about this episode was how it played how most people view Dawn. Notice how long Dawn's reaction to the spell was played out? Be honest, before Buffy started acting wacky, how many of you thought Dawn was under a spell? How many of you just thought Dawn was just getting out of control all on her own. I'm betting more would be the latter and that the numbers would have been different if it hadn't been Dawn. I don't know if they did it on purpose, I think they may have.