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Buffy The Vampire Slayer S06E10 - Wrecked FULL REACTION (Patreon)

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Anonymous

Yup, that is the same guy who played the crazy vampire.

s jaco

Buffy is projecting onto Willow and therefore not seeing the problem. Spike and Buffy are very odd in these moments 'Smashed/Wrecked), because they could kill each other, Spike has no soul and thus actually no moral compass. I love them together so much but they are little messed up at the moment. It's so easy to forget he's got no soul because Spike is so very human in a lot of ways.

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2021-07-09 12:48:38 I had to skip some parts hold this. I hate the direction of magic use here. I'm all for willow being addicted to something. But turning magic into a drug? Hate it, I'd much rather see actually drugs. Like have her addicted to a magical drug like the one from the Angel episode where Kate's dad died. I don't like the idea of magic being a drug, I like the idea of it being addictive but I guess I just hate all the symbolism. Makes me feel like the show is scared to show real drug use and has to use magic as a stand in.
2018-10-04 19:03:03 I had to skip some parts hold this. I hate the direction of magic use here. I'm all for willow being addicted to something. But turning magic into a drug? Hate it, I'd much rather see actually drugs. Like have her addicted to a magical drug like the one from the Angel episode where Kate's dad died. I don't like the idea of magic being a drug, I like the idea of it being addictive but I guess I just hate all the symbolism. Makes me feel like the show is scared to show real drug use and has to use magic as a stand in.

I had to skip some parts hold this. I hate the direction of magic use here. I'm all for willow being addicted to something. But turning magic into a drug? Hate it, I'd much rather see actually drugs. Like have her addicted to a magical drug like the one from the Angel episode where Kate's dad died. I don't like the idea of magic being a drug, I like the idea of it being addictive but I guess I just hate all the symbolism. Makes me feel like the show is scared to show real drug use and has to use magic as a stand in.

Anonymous

Thank you for that speech at the end. You can see Buffy thinking about herself and Spike several times while talking to Willow, so there is a parallel there.

UTU49

They went "full drug metaphor". Everybody knows that you never go "full drug metaphor".

UTU49

My take is that the gang all noticed Willow's magic problem and they were worried about her, but they didn't know what to do about it. There were strong indications that Willow would not listen... like her reaction to Tara's attempts to address it. I think the gang also no longer trusted Willow to not respond with anger... and they may even have been afraid of her power. And I agree that they are all in their own little worlds right now.

Jarrod Wild
>>16047351

The arc bugged me mainly because of how on the nose it was, it was just too obvious and hardly a metaphor. Although a couple things still get me emotional, like Willow crying in the shower after whatever the hell Rack did to her when he took his "tour", and Willow getting slapped by Dawn and collapsing in tears. I mean, she deserved it, but it still had an impact one me.

Holi117

"I won't hide MY blushing eyes..." ahaha! Right there with ya!

4Tom4lepus4
>>16047351

The only thing I liked about this story is how it revealed how much self-hatred Willow has. She loathes herself and thinks being a witch is the only thing that makes her special and worth something. I wish they had focused more on the psychological aspect of it and less on making magic a drug

Vicky Y.

Re. the Spuffy. I first watched this in my early twenties. Seeing it again more than a decade later, I'm much more aware of how genuinely painful Buffy's interactions with Spike are for her. She may be attracted to him but that doesn't mean her disgust and distress are feigned. Let's not forget, she is still in a very bad place emotionally as of the last few episodes. Getting with Spike doesn't change that and the way Spike talks to her is equal parts truth and manipulation. And let's be clear, he is taking advantage of her distress and emotional vulnerability here. He may not see it that way, but he is. Watching this now isn't the same as watching it all those years ago. It's painful and angering.

Andrew Pulrang
>>16049416

The only one who really called Willow out was Giles, but after that they sort of forgot to come back to Giles having those concerns. This whole arc is interesting, but not very well executed, which is why all these story problems keep cropping up.

Andrew Pulrang
>>16053948

Also, it’s hard to miss the equation of sex and violence. If you dig down, it ends up being a fairly complex take on the subject, but on the surface at least the message seems to be that REAL love and passion comes with anger, loathing, and violence.

Vicky Y.

Wait wait wait. Is Rack played by the same guy who played the psycho vamp who stalked Buffy's mom!??

cil

the metaphor in this one was about as subtle as a sledgehammer.

peggin
>>16047351

I'd mostly agree with you, if it wasn't for the fact that we've known that people in the Buffyverse sometimes use magic to get some kind of high since The Dark Age.

peggin (edited)

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2021-07-09 12:48:35 Regarding Amy knowing "a guy" -- it doesn't surprise me. There had to be some way that, between Witch and Bewitched, Bothered & Bewildered (less than a year) Amy went from being someone who'd never used magic to being someone who could turn Buffy into a rat with almost no effort. The only part I have a problem with is, how can she be so sure he'll still be around and she'll still be able to find him after three years living in a rat cage?
2018-10-05 00:09:01 Regarding Amy knowing "a guy" -- it doesn't surprise me. There had to be some way that, between Witch and Bewitched, Bothered & Bewildered (less than a year) Amy went from being someone who'd never used magic to being someone who could turn Buffy into a rat with almost no effort. The only part I have a problem with is, how can she be so sure he'll still be around and she'll still be able to find him after three years living in a rat cage?

Regarding Amy knowing "a guy" -- it doesn't surprise me. There had to be some way that, between Witch and Bewitched, Bothered & Bewildered (less than a year) Amy went from being someone who'd never used magic to being someone who could turn Buffy into a rat with almost no effort. The only part I have a problem with is, how can she be so sure he'll still be around and she'll still be able to find him after three years living in a rat cage?

FernWithy
>>16047351

There are a few things that are a problem about the "addiction" metaphor. Being on the nose is one of them, but it's also forgetting that this show already had a symbolic use of Willow's magical powers, as seen in season 4. You can't take a pre-existing symbol and re-assign it for no good reason. Now, this is Buffy, so no matter what, there are going to be some good parts. "When did the house fall down?" is a great line, and I actually like how weird and complicated the Spuffy relationship is. He's trying so hard to be the Big Bad, and she's not actually rejecting his behavior. She's being deliberately cruel and he's not exactly taking it anymore. It's weird and it's acknowledged in text to be weird and troubling. And yet it's not without any basis. And Willow's shame at her actions was an excellent performance by Hanigan. But on the whole, this is a super-uncomfortable arc.

FernWithy
>>16053948

Which is what Buffy has stated in the past that <i>she</i> thinks love has to be. Well... here's the test, Buffy.

FernWithy

It's a good point about the self-involvement. I think, in the case of Tabula Rasa, they were writing it off as oh, ha-ha, another of Willow's wacky spells like "Something Blue." They didn't know it came off of mind-wiping Tara earlier. But yes... someone should have noticed in general. Really, all of them are behaving abysmally toward each other. I'm not sure why they went down this road. I don't find it an enjoyable part of the series. Worse, I don't find it a <i>believable</i> part of the series. It's like they took a kind of weak-tea conflict from the end of Season 4, which was resolved satisfactorally, and said, "Hey, let's do that again, only we'll crank up the melodrama dial and make it look like a supernatural Lifetime movie."

Bruce Trogdon

I am not now, nor have I ever been 'hip,' so after this episode first aired I learned what “You taste like strawberries” was a reference to. A strawberry was (is?) a person who would trade sex (typically oral sex) for drugs. The Buffy-Willow parallels don't surface often but they've been hitting us over the head with this one for a couple of episodes now. I wonder if either of them recognize that WHAT they're doing and WHY they're doing it are two different things? Those were very interesting questions you raised at the end of the episode.

Chaotic Cam

On a more lighthearted note, cross aside, in the last shot she also had garlic strung everywhere, lmfao.

Amarantax

I don´t like this episode much for a lot of reasons already commented, but I looove the first Spuffy scene, the dialogues, the acting, is so funny and harsh at the same time. I love that the Spuffy relation is so complicated right now because this is complicated, Buffy is depressed and Spike is a vampire. The story could have gone into a more romantic easy going way but that would be least believable and cheapen the story, but hey we are talking BTVS here.

Michael Roach

Loved your thoughts at the end of the episode, you're exactly right.

raymond julien

Or there's a fine line between pleasure and pain.

raymond julien

Loved that song when Amy and Willow are tripping on magic(?), Laika 'Black cat bone'...its on one of the Buffy soundtrack albums.

Tatjana
>>16053948

Vicky Yan, THANK YOU!!! Finally someone acknowledging it!

s jaco
>>16059979

Oh I agree, it has to be messy. Buffy is going through Hell and Spike is a Demon. It would be weird if this was all rose and candles. Spike lacks the morality to see Buffy's mental state and Buffy doesn't care enough to see how much Spike is letting her use him. It's what makes them work at the moment the way it does

Anonymous

I respect your opinion. But the drugs storyline makes Willow more likeable to me, because she isn't just a goody two shoes, she has her own issues and things going on with her that add layers to her character. We are seeing a side of her we didn't and yeah it sucks what she's doing but I'd rather see Willow go through something and hopefully grow from it than remain the quiet sidekick that she has been before this plot line.

Beauty Effulgent

Damn Shan was dropping some major truth bombs at this end of this vid y'all lol. I completely agree. Except I kind of like this storyline for Willow. There is no arguing that the metaphor is problematic in execution, but I like that it gives Willow's character more depth. The main reason everyone loved Willow's character up until this point is because she was practically flawless. The only consistent flaw that she's had throughout the series is her caviler and irresponsible use of magic. So this storyline serves 2 purposes: a) it finally gives us a pay off for the seasons worth of foreshadowing that Willow's magic would eventually lead her down a dark path. b) It makes Willow more flawed, which adds realism and complexity to her character. In the end it makes me love her even more.

Jarrod Wild
>>16049416

Giles called her out and her reaction was to threaten him harm. That's a big problem.

Jarrod Wild
>>16086033

The whole magic thing was originally foreshadowed way the hell back in Becoming Part 1 when Willow first attempted the soul restoration spell and Giles warned her about where it could lead.

Melazond

"how do you know a guy?" SERIOUSLY . She should be asking everyone where she can hook up with that dealer again. And none of them would know, because it's been 3 YEARS!!! If they are really going to take the analogy full bore.

Claire Eyles
>>16058259

Strawberry was more of an old LA cop type slang that was used in the 80s, and possibly before that. Here's a link to a 1989 Times Magazine article where they talk about the murders of prostitutes happening since 1985 in Los Angeles, and reference the 'Strawberries' slang. <a href="http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,957152,00.html" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,957152,00.html</a> NWA also makes reference to 'Strawberry' (the neighbourhood ho') in their 1988 song 'Dopeman' <a href="https://genius.com/Nwa-dopeman-lyrics" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://genius.com/Nwa-dopeman-lyrics</a>

Ryan Wilson

Shan, I'm like you without your pepsi. Only I drink Diet Mountain Dew

UTU49
>>16058259

Hi, Bruce. I've never heard that use of the word "strawberry". I guess that means I'm even less hip than you are. Yay me.

UTU49
>>16100284

I used to be addicted to blueberry muffins. I'm in recovery.

Ryan Wilson
>>16100284

I have tried to get off Diet Mtn dew several times without any luck. Hell I can't even cut down on any of my drinking of it. :(

Richard Lucas
>>16058334

I found that interesting as rarely if ever do we see garlic used against vampires in the show. I thought Angel or someone said in an early episode that that was a myth.

Richard Lucas
>>16086033

Believe it or not, it’s actually foreshadowed in an episode of season one! The one where Willow has a fear of being on stage and has to sing opera with a Pavarotti type. But I didn’t know this til I watched Passion of the Nerd’s take on that episode. It blew my mind!

Chaotic Cam
>>16058334

Yeah Angel said it was a myth. I'm pretty sure the overabundance of garlic was just showing how hard Buffy was trying to remind herself of what Spike is and why it should be wrong, perhaps going, well, a bit overboard, as I'm sure she knows garlic doesn't do anything either but its still associated with vampires as a reminder. It wasn't about not letting him get to her, but reminding herself that she shouldn't want to go to him. I'd imagine it's also in some part comedic effect.

Clara V.

I was never a huge fan of this arc myself. To be fair it does make perfect sense for the kind of person that Willow is and always has been (as well as the situation she's in right now) to eventually struggle with addiction on the one hand and lust for power on the other hand and it has been extensively set up for several seasons now. But I can't help feeling like it was handled somewhat clumsily. The writers clearly had something to say, but when they mix up the power thing with the addiction thing and try to wrap it all up in a neat little magical bow without taking the time to adress the very real and tangible causes that led to it, it muddies the waters of what the actual message is supposed to be here. (Other than drugs = bad, which is extremely simplistic and on-the-nose and also eerily reminiscent of how everyone judged her for getting drunk in Something Blue, which I am to this day still mad about, I mean what the actual hell guys?) That said I am very glad you don't blame this entirely on Willow (not that she's blameless or anything either), because you made some very good points at the end about her friends, if we're being honest, just straight up not being there for her when she really needed them. And with Buffy it makes a certain amount of sense because of how emotionally detached she has been this season, but it feels like the show wants us to see this a lot more one-sided than it actually is and that feels borderline condescending at times. I don't know. I like what they tried, epecially for its time, but it just falls a little flat.

HelloPatreon
>>16049416

Thats true, I hadn't thought of that. Its hard to confront someone who could turn you into a toad if she didn't like what you were saying... Or make you forget again. Given the crazy amount of stuff Willow had to do for the resurrection spell, how many times did Tara confront her? Willow had that herb at the ready in OMWF