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Burn The Stage Ep4 (Patreon)

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Hey CCW VIP Primos!

We are back with Ep4 of Burn The Stage! And our second video of the day! Man these episodes have had us 😱

Today's episode was another intense one!! I think we just witnessed our first BTS "fight" 😳😨

Let us know your thoughts in the comments!

-CCW

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Andrea G

fav episode let's goooo

sarah

Before armys used to go to the airport in America but it doesn’t happen that often now because we’re all growing up and we believe they deserve privacy and respect. If people come to the airport nowadays it’s like less than 20 fans. I think armys collectively agreed to stop going to airports in 2019 or 2018 so when it happens nowadays the fans get criticized for it as they should. Bc the only way fans know if they’re coming to airports is through kmedia and stalker content so we’re trying to not normalize it

Curious MK

Kam.sa.ham.ni.da :-)) [Also, Ko.map.seum.ni.da.] in Korean for thank you.

Mireille

Jimin was the last to join and had to shortest training pre debut so probably why there wasn't enough time to focus on vocal lessons. His singing has really evolved and so proud of his progress

Laysla Emanuele

I admire how they showed vulnerability in such a real way and that they are also human beings like us, and that's what I appreciate about all the members, they don't hide that they have imperfections or run away from reality, they face it. The maturity and growth of the group and their relationship over the years despite all the fame and recognition is truly incredible.

Dani

Ahhh anyone else tense 😬

Rochelle Dunlap

Jimin only had a 6 month training period before debuting, during which they were also recording their first album, learning choreo, and preparing for debut. He's said before that they didn't give him vocal lessons so he would sit outside where JK and Tae were getting theirs and try to practice what he heard on his own. He did eventually start working with a vocal coach.

KarinaxBangtan

Thanks for the reaction! Regarding Jimin, he had the shortest training period before debut (6 months if I'm not mistaken) and he didn't receive any singing lessons unlike the other members. He has mentioned how during that time he imitated what the other members were taught and tried to improve from that. Surely after debut he received more singing lessons, but it must have been difficult to combine with the activities that being an idol entails. Every day I’m more surprised and proud of the work he has done and continues to do, and I think he has a really beautiful voice! 💜

Khadijah(deejahkosmos)⁷

Also at the beginning, thank you can be kamsahabnida and komawo. Komawo is an informal way of saying thank you while kamsahabnida is more formal

Ailaudy93
>>115860067

He became a trainee 1 year before the debut day. So he has a 6 months training période and after that the group had 6 months to prepare their debut together

Betty Suwan

I don’t think you guys have seen the spring day choreography have you? the dance part where Taehyung and Jin were arguing about, was from that very song. Worth checking this choreographed Spring Day performance as it has such a beautiful choreography and together with the stage setting it’s such a mesmerizing live performance from the 2017 melon music awards: https://youtu.be/HLvTw0LsiRI

CJ

The bgm at the last part is Whalien 52. It’s a great song with an awesome back story/inspiration. Hopefully you get to check it out one of these days. ☺️💜

Criza

If you check the fancams during the Prudential Center concert and watch closely Taehyung and Jin, you'd see the awkwardness. They don't even stand close to each other unless it's for the choreography. Both of them felt bad that day and probably regretting what they said to each other.

Jeon Selim

Now it’s time to put Whalien 52 on the poll. 🥰💜

Phoedia

🥰🥰🥰

Shna Faruq

It doesnt matter much. But I have seen the performance they were talking abt and V had actually walked really far, almost double the distance of what it actually shud be. Making it difficult for both of them to run back to their position.

tori

not sure if anyone has told you yet but showing up at the airports or their personal schedules/following them around is NOT a good thing and armys try to discourage it especially now in 2023. it wasnt as bad yet in 2017 but now there is no tolerance for it. please react to how the bts army changed fandom culture by boracity magazine channel to understand what i mean

Yuktha
>>115861779

Also it would be great along with the OG choreo they react to the lovely version choreo from 2019Festa just to see the fun side of it.. https://youtu.be/8ZbPyzh3pio

송다 미

안녕하세요...[annyonghaseyo]..hello in Korea..

Santarrah

I just remember in one of their muster (when TaeJin performed it's definitely you -from kdrama hwarang ost where V played a role) the members have included/mentioned this episode and said that it really made TaeJin closer. 💜 Hope to see you react to that song/performance soon. Thanks for full packed Wednesday uploads 💜

Dquiettype

Aww my dear Jimin, always so hard on himself, I wish he could see himself from ARMY eyes, he has the most beautiful voice I have heard in a guy🐥💜 I love how even if the fight is between 2, they all give their point of view and solve the fights 🥰

Kearyce Moore

If you want to see a few clips of bts at an airport, watch one where they are coming out Los Angeles airport where armys got together and did a project called "The Purple Ribbon Project" for BTS to go smoothly through the airport with purple ribbons as protection. That's one of the most respectful things i have seen in my life for people that are famous💜. Another one is when bts leaves korea to go to the grammys so ill put the links here for you. https://youtu.be/rCiIeKM1sCc ( i tried to find a good quality one so it might be blurry. https://www.youtube.com/live/_jPv83uOhNE?feature=share ( i will put the time stamps cause it's long, you can watch a little of the beginning if you want to) 27:27 to 31:58 and 58:34 all the way to end. Sorry there is no subtitles enjoy tho💜

Em

People in the comments have already mentioned that BigHit asks ARMY not to show up at airports (it’s a fanclub rule actually), but I think it’s important to note that almost any time people do show up it’s because someone in the airline/inside knowledge sold BTS’ private flight information to fan sites/saesangs (i.e. stalkers/paparazzi). Stalkers will actually use the info to get seats near them on commercial flights. Now at airports they mostly use private entrances, but not every airport has that.

Angela McDonald

I think when RM said you take your joking to far. He was talking to V, and reminding him that Jim is older so be respectful Oh I see maybe you’re right Thanks for the response 💜💜💜💜💜💜💜

Nana

2017 was actually the year the started breaking into the US market for real, i don't wanna spoil anything cause you'll see in the next episodes but know that there was a huge before and after for BTS in 2017

erica Mozzeta

I think for me seen this side of them in the last episodes 2, 3 and this one.. makes me understand even more that these are human beings just like I am.. as much as we may wish to see the perfect side of things. We should owez remember that yes they are bts but they are human first before anything else...🤗

Alwena Willis

When RM said to Jin he takes his jokes too far sometimes he said straight after that and ‘you also often let things slide too much,’ which he does with the Maknae especially Tae and Jungkook. That is why Jimin pointed out that they are sometimes disrespectful to Jin. I think you missed it because you were talking about what RM said. Jin is also the first to admit that sometimes his jokes go wrong and he feels bad when that happens. He has stated it’s because he finds it hard to discipline the younger ones when they have gone too far, and it ends in an argument because he says he is not charismatic enough to discipline them correctly. You could say he is the fun dad of the group while RM is the disciplinarian. He also was not joking about taking smaller steps, he was serious and for a reason. I feel this documentary was sadly lacking in the editing of this incident which ended up with Jin getting an extreme amount of hate messages from Tae’s fans for making him cry and ignoring his efforts to improve performance. This of course caused a retaliatory hate from Jin’s fans toward Tae. There is an excellent video called ‘Taejin fight- analysis resolution and proof (Burn the Stage)’ by BangtanmyBangtan on You Tube that goes into it in more detail which everyone should watch. 💜💜💜💜

clover
>>115864836

No, RM said to Jin that he took his joke too far. Because V was talking about the choreo and Jin was joking a bit at first. That’s why Jin apologized to V that he should have taken him more seriously. And yea, RM (and Jimin) did remind V to be more respectful to Jin since he’s older.

J.N

Actually Summer and Daniel they were just starting to blow up in America around that exact same time in 2017 which was like 6 years ago 😂 Now in 2023 they would have the entire city people and news on their behinds if they were seen out and about in public

IDEA Girl

It's not that Jimin didn't have time to take voice lessons. The company could not afford to give everyone voice lessons. They really were not rich yet. And they didn't have in house staff that were voice coaches yet. JK and Jin were getting voice lessons. And if I remember correctly Jimin would go and sit outside the lessons to glean as much as he could. It seems someone else remembered V was getting lessons. I don't remember that info from anywhere. I'm just telling you what I know. One thing that has not really been discussed. Jimin couldn't afford to pay to get his own private voice lessons. He still owed the company money for being a trainee. They had to pay to be trained! This is never discussed in detail anywhere. I don't know how much it cost them to be in the training program. But that's why JK said...Jimin isn't able to take voice lessons yet. I highly recommend their new book. "Beyond the Story". I purchased an auditory book for only $14.95 from Google Play. The book has details as to why Big Hit was nearly bankrupt. I had always heard they were close to shutting down, but I never knew why. No spoilers from me. You might consider listening to rhe book to react to it chapter by chapter with your subscribers. There's a lot to talk about. And a lot that finally makes sense. Like Jimin not getting voice lessons. Not only did he not get voice lessons, but he didn't get any positive feedback from mgmt. I guess they didn't know Jimin's insecurities and he cried every time he had to do a solo! He always had to ask the members how he did. But he was so highly self critical he never was able to hear anything positive. I do know he is getting voice lessons right now. He told Suga he was getting lessons on a vlive after Jimin visited Suga on his concert tour. To this day Jimin thinks he is still not good enough. Anyway, I know not everyone can afford the book. Every chapter I have learned something new that's not in print, or heard in an interview, or shown on video. The author was able to dig deep and divulge more than I expected. Just an idea from ideagirl.

J.N
>>115865816

Right? 2017 was them breaking into the American market and finding great success paving the way for the industry and this was 6 years ago. I can’t wait till CCW start watching the more recent documentaries/ performance stadium venues so they can see the big difference in their growth here in America. They cannot set foot anywhere in the world now without being mobbed (which is sad but true)

IDEA Girl
>>115864736

I have seen them enter and exit privately only a few times. The media stations televise fans waiting for hours to see them arrive and depart. Each time it gets more dangerous and dangerous. The mob descends on them and the bodyguards have a hard time keeping them from touching them. Just today as V is in Paris trying to get into his car a fan grabbed the top of V's head and grabbed his hair as V had to pull away from the fan grabbing his hair to get in the car! It's ridiculous to me. Someone will get hurt someday! If not just then...pulling out V's hair!!!!!

Bangtanlicious

I just wanna clear something up, BTS have always what to do on stage all the way up till the last moment, it's not like they procrastinate until the last minute to go over what they need to do. Y'all need to see more behind the scenes content that's all

Ali
>>115863094

No, it doesn’t matter. At all. When this episode originally aired there was a lot of people trending hateful hashtags towards Jin or V. A lot of antis and solos used this episode as fuel to point the finger of blame at one member or the other. This is a big reason why we (Army) made it a standard practice to not pick sides over who was “correct” or “right” in ANY of the arguments or conflicts we see between the boys. First, we don’t know the whole story, only the parts they want to share. Second, and most importantly, we NEVER repay the members being willing to be vulnerable in front of us by casting any sort of judgment on them. That’s not how our fandom operates.

IDEA Girl

Just a little more. Big Hit was so poor they had to make a horrible decision about the boy's living situation. Again, no spoilers. I really want you and your patreons and subscribers to find out yourselves. And Honestly, I was in shock. So we're the boys. And again, I've never heard it discussed anywhere. I heard it first time in the book. But it will help you understand why they couldn't pay for Jimin to get voice lessons.

IDEA Girl

It's interesting to me that there's no director around. And they were discussing their own set list and set list order. So when exactly did that info get to the band? Or the sound people? Or lighting directors? Or to all the tech ? Or everyone? They decide what needs to be louder? They do their own sound check? To me that sounds so disorganized being a theatre director. But that's what happened in their early days. And it worked for them. Until they could get better. Now they do have a performance director. It's the same guy that used to be their choreographer. And then the V and Jin thing. You are right. That has to be sorted out at a rehearsal. You can't just talk about it. You have to walk through it and rechoreograph it to work it out. But again, it's the director or choreographer's responsibility to work out all of that and have the final say. They have NO director. Just RM saying no one is right or wrong. We have to work it out later. Which was true. Not to be discussed 10 minutes before performance time. But at least Jin apologized before they got on stage. 54:24. Daniel's final thoughts. South Koreans are respectful when they see them in public . Ummm??? No. Not at the airport. Check out every terminal entrance on their flight out of South Korea and them incoming back into the airport terminal on their return. You just haven't seen the footage yet of them being mobbed. It's so scary. The only time they've truly been respectful is when Hybe and the government said Army could NOT show up to the military base entrance to say goodbye to Jin and JHope. And Army respected that. There were a few identified media cameras that had the okay to film the car entourage going in.

Lisa M T

I believe that we (English speakers) can't catch on to tone and inflection changes that native Korean speakers do. For instance: in English the phrase "Get out" Our inflection determines its meaning. GET OUT go away, get out of my room OR no way, you can't be serious

Lisa M T

Bang PD was a genius in making the rule even if only 2 fight it is discussed and resolved by all 7. It is a huge benefit teaching conflict resolution. It may seem more difficult airing your issue in front of others, but it actually diffuses emotions and gives the 2 parties emotional support and validation.

Ali

Fun fact about airport culture: Nowadays ARMY make it a point to praise the ARMYs of a particular country when they DON’T bombard them at the airports. It’s really frowned on when they are mobbed. There’s been some very unsafe situations the members have been placed in due to fans (I refuse to call them ARMY) gathering en masse in places we shouldn’t be.

Alwena Willis
>>115864736

When Jin arrived in Argentina to perform ‘The Astronaut’ with Coldplay there were literally thousands waiting for him at the airport and it was deemed unsafe for him to exit the normal exit, dangerous for both him and the fans who might stampede in the effort to get close to him. He was taken out of a private exit and given a police escort to his hotel. The police escort continued his whole visit in Argentina wherever he went. It is usually reserved for high ranking officials and visiting dignitaries, that’s how important our SeokJin was in Argentina! 💜💜💜💜

Ali

I don’t know if you remember this but one of the things Bang PD said in one of your first videos is that conflict between the members is not considered a bad thing to him. The clip you saw where he says this doesn’t go into further detail, but what he’s essentially speaking about is how BTS was encouraged to share their emotions with each other as they felt them. And if they had a problem with a member to talk about it then. Don’t let bad feelings or resentment fester for the sake of peace in the group at one particular moment. Because eventually you are going to explode with it. There are numerous stories of KPop groups and bands breaking up or having permanent rifts between members because of humongous fights. Interviews after their break up will show members bringing up slights and resentments from years ago. They kept everything inside so as not to rock the boat, but it resulted in permanent feelings of ill will between them. This is something I’ve learned from BTS that Ive tried to implement in my own relationships and it’s made them so much healthier. The bond you forge with someone after working through a conflict and coming out the other side still caring for each other is worth dealing with temporary discomfort.

moonie εïз

the boys are actually very meticulous about their performances no matter where they’re performing. they don’t just change everything before stepping on stage. i hope you react to more behind the scenes of their performances so you actually see how they work and plan stuff😊 also like many have mentioned going to the airport is looked down upon. of course our fandom is way too big to be able to discourage everyone but not going to the airport is something we push. i also don’t like to call people who mob them armys, they’re stalkers who don’t care about the boys safety. (it’s also a lot of media and locals that make up the crowds :/) armys are the ones who respect their wishes,safety, and privacy because we know those things are important to the boys. people who respect those and put the tannies well being and safety first, they’re army.

tabii ⁷
>>115865816

someone grabbed tae hair today when he was trying to greet the armys and now i’m just genuinely mad

Maritza Islas

Korean/Hangul related. I found as someone who speaks Spanish...picking up Korean was pretty easy to me and least to pronounce certain words. Ive learned how to read it... but dont ask me what anything means lol. Im not there just yet

AGB
>>115869596

yeah, even Jin had to pay for his own vocal lessons in the beginning. he was proactive w/ it

AGB

ARMY is strict with the rules in not showing up in airports and on private schedules. Bighit has imposed that rule. Flight details are often leaked and sold by insiders to sasaeng or stalkers and paparazzi. Showing up in airports can turn into mobbing which have happened a lot of times before with BTS. They could get hurt and the fans themselves and other passengers in the airports could get hurt. Some of the members especially Taehyung have been vocal about it. Jungkook recently said in his live that he’s okay when a fan will come up to him only if they just happened to be in the same place as he is but what he doesn’t like or discourage other fans to do is to purposely show up in a place just to follow him. They have said how it scares them. Just a couple of hours ago, there’s a video of of a fan pulling Tae’s hair when he was getting on the car. He’s in Japan for a public schedule. It’s okay to show up in a public schedule but what happened is the reason why we strongly imposed the rule that ARMY should not go to airports and prvt schedules. On private schedules, pretend you don’t see them and don’t bother them.

Angel

crazy thing is fans who were there and took videos of the actual performances ended up looking back and seeing that jin wasnt the one who made a mistake, he had to make up for tae going off his mark (not blaming him, in the heat of the moment it can happen) but v didnt know bc he's in front of jin and then jin has to make up the distance to get to him for their dance move/moment, then they both turn and run to the others formation which means jin has to run farther than usual bc tae went too far that night hence they dont make it to the others in time but tae didnt realize it until too late, theres a whole analysis video with actual footage of both nights if anyone needs it so no wonder jin felt attacked for no reason and got defensive, but at the end of the day this is a team and they resolved it and theyre actually very close/best friends bc of their past makeups so it all worked out

IDEA Girl

That clip of that person grabbing V's hair as he got in the car crossed the line. My question is...why don't airports and city governments with media events create laws saying you CANT come within 25 feet of the celebrity? A law to protect someone from being touched or pushed or assaulted or 20 cameras in their face. If one person fell down...they all would fall down and crush the celebrity. I don't get it. I've seen people way way to close to BTS and other popular Kpop bands. Sometimes they Block the car from leaving the airport parking area. I've seen them swarm completely around their SUV's . During BTS's solo time I've seen them guarded by 6 to 8 body guards. Never enough to dissuade crazy fans. Only one time have I seen where BTS left the airport from a private exit.. I don't remember where. You can tell me. Was it Singapore? My opinion. It has gotten so bad they should only use private VIP entrances and exits to the airport!!!

J.N
>>115865816

Yeah I just saw that video of someone touching his hair 😤 I thought fans in Japan were more chill? I’m real disappointed

Angel
>>115863094

its not picking sides to just objectively look and see what actually happened on stage and why the whole ordeal even started

Maya
>>115859436

that's true, and remember when in suchwita Yoongi said that the team was making Jimin take rap lessons. Jimin said he would watch Tae and JK during their lessons and then practice by himself.

Maya
>>115860067

Jimin moved to Seoul in May 2012, he was announced as a bts member in January of 2013.

Helen H

bighit was so poor they couldn’t hire actors but use managers as actors in their music video so vocal lessons etc for jimin they can barely afford

Lindy

In 2017, BTS performed at the 25th-anniversary concert for Seo Taiji, a revolutionary Korean music legend from the 90′s who was known for openly criticizing the Korean education system (at that time, school days for teenagers went from 7 am to 9 pm daily). BTS, especially in their earlier years, also openly criticized the Korean education system (in contrast to other K-Pop groups, who desperately avoid politics at all costs). The intense, high-stress Korean education system is viewed as being one of the many factors behind the high suicide rate in youths in South Korea. Seo Taiji’s most famous song, “Classroom Idea,” is known for being particularly anti-the oppressive Korean school system. BTS and Seo Taiji performed the song together at the anniversary concert, wearing Seo Taiji’s original performance outfits, meant to look like rebels/revolutionaries. They also waved flags featuring Seo Taiji’s original anti-Korean school system symbol. The event was seen as Seo Taiji passing on his flag/symbol to BTS, the next generation of young revolutionary socially-conscious Korean artists. Seo Taiji feat. BTS - Classroom Idea live @ SEOTAIJI 25 TIME : TRAVELER 2017 [ENG SUB] [Full HD] Please react https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdswxGURNmo

Thea
>>115870115

I’m not understanding why you think it’s disorganized that they’re they ones deciding which songs they want to soundcheck?? Why would a director have to tell them which songs to soundcheck. They actually make a lot of decisions themselves regarding their performance. They’re the ones wearing the in-ears so of course they’re deciding what they need to be louder for themselves. And they always get together to go over last minute details and reminders amongst themselves. They still do it now bc they’re very meticulous about their performances and ultimately no one knows better than them what they need to do as individuals and as a team. It’s teamwork. It doesn’t mean they don’t discuss other things beforehand or during rehearsal. Idk if you’re new around here but pretty much all their patrons/subscribers are army. This is different from some theater show in which everyone on stage is an actor and has a direct script and sometimes choreo to follow. They are artists and musicians giving a show and they have full autonomy and a lot of say so. They dont just do whatever they’re told. They work in tandem with their staff and they’re not at the mercy of a director for every single thing.

VALERIE MORAN

That really really high part of whalien 52 is jimins voice and an instrument combined (I am pretty sure) it's basically his note pitched way up and produced like an instrument. They do that in several songs

Ailaudy93
>>115860067

People tend to mix training period and period before debut. The training period is before the choice of the members. But when the members are picked they have months before the debut since they need to prepare it and work on they synergie. Like BTS was formed at the end of 2012 but they debuted in June 2013. Before that they made covers … But since Jimin came to be a trainee in may 2012, he needed to catch up in a short time to join the selection And some idols had really short training period before selection like a member of Super Junior had 3 months, a member of Loona had 1 day. But obviously they didn’t debuted the next day. There is a period of preparation before a debut. Training period (months/years) > Preparation period (months) > debut day

Ailaudy93
>>115864736

1- When it’s an official trip, BigHit officially inform the press. 2- the worst was when Jin participated in the show In the Jungle. He was so pissed and I completely understand it. He is always so kind and smiley. That time he was really upset

raeven b.

I think that was all our first bts fight haha. Realistically, I know there will be fights between friends, but it's never easy to watch. It's so mature of them to be able to resolve issues so quickly, because I STILL am bad at resolving disagreements. I know I couldn't pretend nothing's wrong while performing for a concert, knowing there's an unresolved issue to be taken care of afterwards. Not emotionally, anyway. My stomach would be in knots and I'd be a crying mess lol

Rokm_

Rewatching this again with you it makes me so sad to know that after Jin received so much backlash from “fans” when this first aired, we haven’t seen them being so raw and showing us all sides (the good and the bad) of being BTS like this anymore, ever. Our boys used to be very honest with us and wanted to show the throughout process to everything related to the group. It’s so upsetting how some people just had to ruin everything and be mean to Jin because of an argument between band mates. BTS are real people who love each other but also will fight with each other at times. And one thing that’s really important to point out to is how our side of the fandom (the international side) sometimes simply forget they are first and foremost korean man born and raised in korean culture. Things like respecting people older than you in their culture is very important. I’m saw that you guys probably didn’t pick on what Jimin said to Taehyung about alerting him that Jin is older, therefore he should be more respectful. And of course, V’s intention was never to disrespect Jin, he just wanted to make sure the choreography went as smoothly as possible for him and for the team, however it is important to keep in mind while watching korean content (from BTS and other groups) to understand better the full context of things. The next time we heard about them having an argument was probably the dumpling incident, and the rain fight incident, which was told by the members but they made sure to not give out more than a few details and end up making it a funny memory instead (probably so the members don’t get attacked again by stupid people in the fandom, sigh). Thanks for watching.

Unamused

Idk if anyone said this yet but fansites & the media will leak their flight information. So that’s often why there’s people at the airport it’s often chaotic & there have been a few incidents.. Even recently a sasaeng (obsessive ‘fan’ that stalks or violates the privacy of an idol) ran up to Jungkook at the airport. It was pretty scary. So a lot of Army encourage people to not show up or circulate the pictures from private schedules as it is an invasion of privacy.

Sadie

I would like to see y’all react to V and Jimin talk about the “dumpling incident” 😅

Sang Lee

Opening song is called: Outro: Her, from the Love Yourself: Her album. This is the 1st album in the LY series. This song, is saying, answer/her/tear, which is the titles for the Love Yourself album series. Love Yourself: Her, Love Yourself: Tear, Love Yourself: Answer. Easter egg album name reveals! They know what they're doing...hahaha!

Cinta

Abby - I don’t like conflict and confrontation yet saying play it again has to be the highlight of the episode 😂

LoriG

If you watch the Taejin Fight -Analysis you will see that they eventually changed the choreo a bit during the tour and made it a cute moment that fans went crazy over!! Like Tae said, they resolved it that night and were back to best bros.💜

Ali
>>115863094

If you were an Army anywhere on twitter after this episode aired, you saw under every single BTS post the videos showing “objectively” what happened during their choreo. There are the ones that show Tae being too far away and the ones from another angle showing Jin being too slow (and comparing it with other performances where he was faster, just to show what “really happened”). But don’t forget the videos showing the performance from yet ANOTHER angle proving it was actually another member’s mistake that caused the fight because see right here’s so-and-so messing up, that’s what made V or Jin to mess up. And then there’s the video compilations with a tally of how many times V or Jin messed up in every single recorded performance of the song. Or just every time one of them messed up the choreo on ANY of BTS’ songs. But that’s not all, because the fight was not ACTUALLY about the choreography mistake, so here’s some clips of V throughout the years being disrespectful to his hyungs. Or it was due to Jin not taking V seriously, so just check out this compilation of every time Jin goofs off at inappropriate times and the members get frustrated with him. Then we get the videos analyzing Jin and V during every single concert after this one with “proof” that they were still fighting. Or we can see videos where V was “obviously” mad because here’s “proof” J-hope, as the dance leader, took Jin’s side. Or the clips of RM “ignoring” Jin to comfort V. And also the TONS of videos showing every time Jin was mean to V. And don’t forget after the 2018 MMA speech where Jin addressed that they had considered disbanding, this whole mess was brought up AGAIN and Jin, V, or both were blamed for being the member that caused BTS to almost break up. Jin felt guilty, that’s why he talked about it. V felt guilty, that’s why he cried so much. Keep in mind members were very active on twitter during this time, so to know they are seeing stuff like this under practically every post for literal months…well, it’s very understandable why they now only talk about “funny”fight or refer to them very vaguely. So, I apologize if I’m sensitive when it comes to this, but after living through THAT I cannot help but question why someone would feel the need to search out the “truth” of what “really happened” Shouldn’t we be satisfied with what BTS themselves say about it; if they wanted us to know what “really happened” wouldn’t they have shown it to us themselves?

Angel
>>115863094

thats why i say its okay to see why the ordeal started, not to blame one or the other but to see the real footage (not edits) and witniss what happened with their own eyes because if you dont see what happened how can anyone improve or fix it or even speak on it. thats how bad things escalate bc people are too afraid to talk about it.

Angel

(also as a few tidbits. jimin is extremely talented and a sweetheart, he eventually got a teacher but at the start he learned what he did by being the +1 for his fellow members vocal lessons but his on stage charisma has always been A+! also he is the cutest when he came in to tell jin/tae its time to go to bed, i honestly think the jimin/jin/tae trio is the cutest, they were besties and went climbing together for fun right before the group debuted, i think they understand each other very deeply bc they arent afraid to be real with each other and make up and then go out and have fun later. believe me they are SO CLOSE I adore them, p.s also i am now in the mood for chili dogs bc of this video)

Velle

The song played at the end is Whalien 52 and I believe the high whistle note is to imitate the loneliest whale's calls. Honestly it's in my top 5! It's amazing the vocal line gets to showcase each of their unique sound

Thayná Vieira

I think this fight strengthened them even more, that part of the Spring Day choreography, where Tae bends down, Jin comes, touches his shoulder, and then he comes back. They have to run really fast to give them time to start the choreography, so I understand that for Tae at that moment it was a great thing, for he felt that they did not follow the time. Sitting down and talking about it is the best way, and this is essential if you live and work with the same people 24/7. This ep makes me cry, always, because Jin is my utt and Tae my bias and I like to see them always well with each other.

Shreya

I think you guys need to watch a concert as a whole from start to finish a lot of your questions will be answered like the format of the concert and also you’ll understand what they are saying a lot more when you get the whole format of how their concert goes and yes they used translators sometimes the members themselves speak in local language in that case they practice what they wanna say beforehand in that particular language

LSD_02

Good episode! Love to see them talking out the issue.

L
>>115867530

Bighit actually doesn't do trainee debt and never has. A Harvard business paper came out a few years ago that dug into bighit's early practices and revealed that. They write off that expense as development. I can find the source if you're interested. While they certainly were nearly bankrupt during BTS's trainee and early years, they absolutely could afford a vocal teacher by the time they were touring for wings. Both as a company and jimin personally. It's not that expensive. I think he just didn't have the time for it.

L

Y'all please don't assume bighit was broke for THAT long. Yes it's true they were nearly bankrupt during BTS's trainee days. It was so bad they told rapline to disband and go home because they couldn't afford to keep them but rapline refused and bighit found an investor and was able to debut bts (there are good articles/interviews with that investor years later). Yoongi talks about it during suchwita. But this is all pre debut and pre INU days. By the time wings tour came around they could absolutely afford a vocal teacher if they really wanted one. Both the company and jimin. He just didn't have the time. Vocal teachers are not that expensive. You could hire one for many lessons for much less than the cost of some the bags or watches the members were wearing at the time. BTS and bighit certainly worked very hard to get to where they are and started from the bottom but let's not assume they were still a broke ass newbie group during wings era! 😭

Barbara Cromwell

This is the title on YouTube "Taejin Fight - Analysis, Resolutions & Proof (Burn The Stage)". I just watched it after Lori suggested it. It is a fantastic analysis and shows the choreography moment for all of the remaining concert stops. They changed it almost every time and it's very endearing.

Ali
>>115863094

Ok, Angel, you’ve lost me there. I don’t understand why, as a fan, there is a need for us to search out “real footage” of what happened. Or be a “witness” to anything more than what they chose to share. Footage that BTS didn’t think was relevant for us to see; otherwise, they would have included it in the episode dedicated to the argument, wouldn’t they? I’ve never considered it my responsibility to help BTS improve their choreography or their communication (? I honestly don’t know what you mean by “how can anyone improve or fix it”, so I’ve made a couple guesses here). And BTS wasn’t afraid to talk about it; that’s why the fight is included in the series (? Again, I don’t know what you mean by “people are too afraid to talk about it”?) However, they made it clear in the episode that what “actually” happened during the choreo ISN’T important. The problem, as stated multiple times, is that neither Jin nor V let the argument go; it wasn’t the time or place for it, but both of them got their feelings hurt and their pride dented and could not move past it. What started the argument -the choreo- is irrelevant. The subject of the confrontation could have been about anything. It was the awful timing, unprofessionalism, and refusal to back down that instigated the need for an after concert pow-wow between the members. So when you say it’s not important to know “who” was right, you are missing the point that NEITHER of them were right. IMO, that’s the reason BTS even allowed this argument to be shown; for the very simple reason that there is NO right or wrong here, just two wrongs (as is so often the case with fights between friends/family). They would not have shared something with us if they thought either of the members was going to get dragged for it. So, to me curiosity or to cast judgment are the only logical explanations for WHY someone would need to know what “really happened” during the choreo.

Jinnie

Jin became my ultimate bias after I watched the original choreo. He seems to be goofy all the time but he’s very mature!

Angel
>>115863094

um okay, did you miss the part where I said real footage vs *edits* or what. when did i say its not important to know 'who was right'. I said that its fine to want to see how the entire ordeal started bc otherwise why is anyone reacting to it or discussing it. seems like youre trying to start some weird debate here but regardless you dont need to add or change my words and put a sentence in my mouth that i never said. if anyone didnt want us to look at the actual footage of the choreo, they wouldnt have released the argument in the first place, and its not like its a sin or a crime for anyone to want context on what they were fighting about when its released officially- even the very reactors youre watching wanted to see it too. youre bringing up dragging but who here in this comment section is dragging them? a bunch of drama for no reason, its instigators that cause problems in the first place trying to guilt trip anyone who wants more context and to develop their viewpoint.

Angel
>>115863094

also if youre going to add like ten edits and two paragraphs every few minutes then make a new comment, I replied to what you said originally and then youre switching up as if im going to keep up with new questions and you being mad over something that wasnt said. good day and goodbye.

Linda Buford

These moments are so heartfelt. I CAN wait for you to see Festa 2022..... omg...hardest thing ever.... but going through this journey with y'all, I completely understand the process.... but when you see the last festa :(

K
>>115905292

yes! i would really love for them to watch festa 2022😭

Ali
>>115863094

I was not aware you were waiting for me to finish? When I’m typing on my phone, I accidentally hit post at least three times when making any sort of comment. Sorry that this bothered you. Have a good night.

Seneca

BitHit actually repeatedly requests army don't come to the airport for the guys' (and airport goers') safety! 😮 But unfortunately, the press digs for info on BTS flights, and their arrival times inevitably get publicized. I think paparazzi is a given, but BH specifically asks army to let the guys arrive in peace. Some people don't listen... lol But if you think about it, way more army in the area DON'T show up, than do show up. So most people know to leave them alone haha They often go through private entrances to avoid crowds!

Elsa

Jimin wasn't given vocal training before their debut, he joined so late that they didn't provide him any. Jimin said that he used sometimes watch Jungkook and V get vocal lessons, and then he would imitate it at their dorm and practice by himself.

Samidare_tt

I really love this episode. Thank you so much for reacting to this series! 🥰💜💜

Nadilynn

I attented both nights of that concert. It was so obvious there was something wrong. V rarely showed his face. Kept his cap on and had minimal interactions with members. Others looked at him repeatedly. But it was very different than the other night. my friends said they didn't notice. But after this series I did get to say....I told you so.

Bells

I´m watching the part where you guys wonder why there was no crowd in the aiport of new york, and they usually keep their flight info private, but it had happened before where sasaengs (crazy dangerous stalkers) pay huuuuuuge amounts of money to get info from airport workers to know the time they are arriving to airport (and sometimes even fly the same flight as them, so scary) but also they have been using private doors to avoid the crowd when is too much and it could get ugly very fast. So yeah...I´ll keep watching

laura

2017 was the biggest year for bts' when it comes to the impact towards the western industry. They were the first korean group to attend at the popular award/talk shows we know here in America. First to perform at billboard, first kpop group to sell out arenas, first to win an award. I remember the exact day i found out they were coming to LA, it was so exciting and new, me and my sister right away bought tickets to see them perform at the AMAs for the first time. If you watch the bangtan bombs from that time you will notice all the celebrities confused or excited when bts appears... they always had the loudest cheers. It was hilarious to watch all the confused faces lol. They still are the artists that get the most interactions when it comes to award shows, often celebs want to meet THEM and take pictures. Im so proud of how far they've come. I hope you guys are able to watch one of their concerts soon, you will notice how entertaining they can be through out 2-3 hours... they work so hard and the concerts prove it. Ive been to many many concerts and not one comes close to BTS'.

essi
>>115911611

it's not a real story. they are just holding hands because they want to and someone made a joke that joon made them hold hands.

KumiKo
>>115869233

Exactly. The last people on earth who will cram for a performance, let alone a major world tour is BTS. They are meticulous performers wanting every space, movement and formation perfect down to the tiniest details. I agree CCW should delve into more behind the scenes to see more production and rehearsal content. I was shaking my head the entire time they were discussing why the boys had to make changes the last minute like, guys!! they would never! it’s them polishing their routine! 😃

LouCas27

I like that a fight over food would be much worse 😅.

Shalia
>>115905292

i still cry watching it eventhough i 've watch it multiple times. BTS being so raw with their emotions always gets me.

Itami

they mentioned another famous BTS squabble in this episode XD after the famous dumpling incident between Jimin and V, we have the banana incident between Jhope and Jungkook hahaha

blue

i love the comedic timing of yoongi saying “i don’t think fighting is a bad thing” right after all the chaos lmao but he’s so real and i feel like his dead pan delivery and dry humor sometimes overshadows how incredibly wise he is. there’s a lot to learn from all of them tbh i was already a big fan of them before this ep aired but watching this unfold definitely made me gain even more respect for them. Also, hopefully y’all ignore the people who are suggesting for y’all to watch the analysis video for that performance. pointing fingers at a certain member and picking sides after the fact is completely unnecessary. bts didn’t share this vulnerable moment with us so we can dissect the performance and see who was actually at fault??? it’s childish and unnecessary.

Zaya sh

🥹💜

Yolanda Humphrey

I’ve been to a sound check and it is awesome!!!

clover
>>115875099

i think you missed the part where they mentioned the stage for prudential center is much bigger than the other stages. that’s why rm even mentioned they have to cover a lot of space.

Min Jet

I think it's time CCW react to one whole concert!! and I strongly reccomend The Busan Yet to Come concert. The boys were immaculate and the band was amazing, I am so sure you will enjoy and love it so much. I know it takes a lot of time, but please please consider about it.

Rae Avilez

I really love this episode and the way they deal with issues that come up. They deal with every issue as a group and I think that was one of the best things that BAngPDnim ever did was to have them resolve issues in this way. They have always said that you can't be afraid of arguing and armys have said that they didn't even notice anything during the performances. And the way that Namjoon leads the team too, is so amazing. New Yorkers and Angelinos don't really get crazy about celebrities. They are all over the place so it's not as big a deal to them. Although they do get swarmed some times but only when they can't hide who they are. Does that make sense?

Alwena Willis
>>115932077

I disagree the analysis video does not point fingers at anyone it just explains what happened and how they resolved the choreography problem. Yes from Tae’s fans point of view it seems it’s blaming Tae but the fact is it shows what actually happened that everyone makes mistakes and Tae was completely unaware that it was his error and it shows how delightfully they turn this situation into a bonding moment between the two of them over the following weeks. It is far from a blaming video!

blue
>>115932077

i feel like if you want them to watch the bonding moments between taejin after that incident there are plenty of fancams that are available. i just don’t see the point in seeing an analysis video breaking down what went wrong in that particular performance? even if the creator didn’t have bad intentions and it was made to get to the root of the misunderstanding it still feels invasive and uncalled for. It’s easy to just respect bts and the things they chose to share candidly without the need to overanalyze everything and dissect their every move!

Minh
>>115988002

About fans showing up at the airport, in America BTS have been more private about their flight schedules and been secretive in regards to their flight arrivals and exits so fans don’t know where and when BTS are at the airport. In contrast before they became massive stars, notice early in their careers fan turnout at airports were large when fans knew the exact time and location of when BTS were at the airport, such as the time BTS first flew to Los Angeles seen in American Hustle Life and there were fans waiting and greeting them.

RGardiola

This episode i really feel bad for Jin like.. you can really see somehow that at the end he is quiet serious about it too not really just joking but somehow ended that way so he just accept since everyone think he is really just joking when's really not. But anyway i love how tae and jin became more close after that

Angel
>>115875099

they have to cover a lot of space but in an actual choreographed dance formation there are marks that need to be met hence after this timeframe the choreography was changed because before the argument started you can see the other members saying 'the gap between you and i is too large' so its an issue if someone is off the mark and theres too big of a distance between them bc they still need to be in formation

smilehoyaaaaa💜

When Joon said "It's not about V, Jin or Namjoon" during the huddle right before the concert started after the fight 😭 he's such a good leader!! I love how they always come together and solve it as a group so that everyone can move on from it. As someone who grew up in a very emotionally abusive household, seeing them resolve conflict like that and move past it really touched me. There's always something I'm learning from my forever 7🥺💜 APO BANGPO😊💜

smilehoyaaaaa💜

Btw (this is probably random lol), in recent years BigHit has asked for fans to NOT go to the airports because it becomes very chaotic and dangerous and some "fans" get out hand so it's always adviced not to go but ofc some people still go. So in terms of the NY airport where there weren't ARMYs, maybe the day of arrival wasn't announced to fans or idk lol😂

Alwena Willis
>>115932077

I see you’re happy though with the documentary that leaves everyone thinking that Jin made an error that poor Tae was just trying to correct but Jin was being stubborn and not listening to him! That is my problem with this documentary and it is why it caused so much debate in the first place! The analysis is done tastefully and accurately letting army know the actual truth behind the incident without actual blame and how it was resolved. It was not resolved overnight as portrayed in the documentary. We may have seen visions of Tae crying in the documentary but there is plenty of fan cam showing Jin trying very hard not to cry and visibly upset on the night, yet nothing was portrayed in the documentary. It left people assuming Jin was at fault and that was why he received so much hate unfairly. Yes Tae did as well but not as much his fan base is greater. It may seem invasive and uncalled for to you but to many army they as always prefer to know the truth of a situation and not the viewpoint of BigHit!

Tanya perez

That was at The Prudential Center in Newark NJ and it was my first BTS concert. They were such PROFESSIONALS that none of us would have ever known that there was a fight right before they came on stage. When I saw the footage later I was in such shock. I really loved the way they handled it afterwards and let it go because we know lots of groups are no way near as amazing as these guys are. Many groups break up and his is a main reason why I love them so much.🥰💜💜💜💜

Anthony

They would really try to make their airport arrival as private/confidential as can be. They prefer not for fans to know it 💜💜💜

ᴮᴱWhere there is hope, there are trials #Sea ⁷ (edited)

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2023-08-27 22:26:07 For those w late family members: 1. Always assign them to bring desserts to family gatherings (or backup drinks) 2. Never do the reservation din/lunches. Instead, save yourself grief and just go to their house, order or pick up food on the way, and leave at your own time. If you invite them, they'll be late and leave late af ----just tips I learned instead of getting frustrated. They won't change
2023-08-27 19:50:13 For those w family members that are always late: 1. Always assign them to bring desserts to family gatherings (or backup drinks) 2. Never do the reservation din/lunches. Instead, save yourself grief and just go to their house, order or pick up food on the way, and leave at your own time. If you invite them, they'll be late and leave late af ----just tips I learned instead of getting frustrated. They won't change

For those w family members that are always late: 1. Always assign them to bring desserts to family gatherings (or backup drinks) 2. Never do the reservation din/lunches. Instead, save yourself grief and just go to their house, order or pick up food on the way, and leave at your own time. If you invite them, they'll be late and leave late af ----just tips I learned instead of getting frustrated. They won't change

Moon (edited)

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2023-08-27 22:26:07 It pretty normal if they fight sometime. On this no one at fault but I wish stupid company doesn't show this. Jin get all the hate for from V fans. Jin want to cry too but he the type to keep thing for himself even if he sad or depressed he only want to show Army the fun and happy side of him. I feel bad for Jin because none of the members give him the comfort after the fight. They only do that to V, I get that Jin is the oldest but so what, he also a human being too. He would like some comfort too. But glad that after this fight, their friendship grow even stronger.
2023-08-27 19:51:47

Fatima

I was at the concert when the fight happened and when I watched this I was so shocked because when they got on stage, you would never guess this was happening back stage. It was my first BTS concert and they were so amazing I can’t imagine this being minutes before I saw them

Armystic
>>116168095

It wasn’t company’s decision… it was BTS decision.. they said so right in the first episode. If they didn’t want to show it then they wouldn’t have… it was the entire point… Jin was comforted and supported by the others… everyone was boxing tae in …. V started crying bc of what joon said… not Jin…. That’s why joon hugs tae… they literally were both comforted after the show on top of it…. Everyone that loves all 7 of them can see that.

Armystic
>>116007773

Well Vs crying bc of what namjoon said lol which is why he hugged him back stage.. tae talks about what joon said that hurt him but didn’t name him… but he was the only one who said it … and their hug… that’s why he included himself

Armystic
>>116007773

But namjoon is leader of all leaders… truly a special soul and leads in a way that ppl just want to follow him…. 100% I agree

Armystic
>>116004755

Pretty sure he said he was joking so it wouldn’t look bad on him… bc really he reacted in a pretty immature way to what tae was saying and wasn’t willing to listen or try anything anyone else was saying for most of the time… even the apology before the concert didn’t feel very authentic and really felt like an apology bc there was a camera… I think he felt bad for overreacting and not listening and tried to say he was joking to cover for himself bc it didn’t need to get that far at all

Armystic

10:45 lol he didn’t botch it…. Jungkook was perfect and the energy and power that it takes for him to perform “begin” live is insane… it’s one of the most aerobic, precise and powerful dances I’ve seen them do at that point… hobi said it was the hardes dance anybody had done up to that point… Jin and rm are talking about how ppl have different capacities as jungkook does a handstand right after doing his full performance for begin which is insane and they’re saying that most ppl don’t have the capacity that jungkook has… and they don’t have that capacity either, hobi said he could feel jungkooks soul…. Reminds me of Bon voyage Hawaii where Jin and rm both said jungkook is “the energy of BTS,” so it just follows that same pattern lol It’s a shame you guys haven’t seen his solo performance of “begin,” bc the song is about his love for his BTS members.. and the choreo is insane… the footwork… a fancam is a must! It will def have you jungshook too 😂 Daniel the dance you said “I like that dance, that was cool” was choreo for “begin”

Armystic

27:45 if you listen to what’s being said before v says that to Jin… it’s bc they were all talking about their choreo on stage and getting to their spots in time… someone else was told they needed to move farther over or move faster right before Jin was lol they discuss the concert and focuses right before going on stage… what tae was asking from Jin wouldn’t be a difficult change… but Jin wasn’t listening.. he was maybe jokingly overreacting… but it went too far bc tae got frustrated bc he was being serious and offering other options other than just telling him to go faster… but since it didn’t used to be an issue for Jin to get there on time…. But had started to become an issue… which is why tae doesn’t get why Jin can’t do whatever he did before. It wasn’t something new… is what I mean..if you watch the part they’re talking about and look why tae is asking … you’ll get it… bc tae has to run across the stage into moving choreo that can easily cause a domino effect of everyone running into each other if he can’t get there in time… it’s a pretty difficult part for him bc he can’t move until Jin does

Armystic

Watch the whole part again starting with rm telling them that they’re on a bigger stage starting today… they had been performing on smaller stages… namjoon and jungkook talk about a place where the gap between them is too big…. One of them needs to move over two spots to the left, jungkook said they need to make sure to check…. Probably bc the song they’re talking about is not one of the first… tae says “then I need to be in two” and jungkook and rm both agree he needs to be in two…. So he goes to Jin and reminds him he needs to be in one by the time his part ends so tae can get to his next spot bc he can’t move until Jin does… and tae has to run farther now across the stage while doing moving choreo while the formation is moving… and now bc the stage is bigger… he has less time to do so. If you look at the dates… they arrived in NY on the 22nd…we saw them doing multiple interviews on that day… the concert that’s starting is the 23rd… they did interviews before the concert, the soundcheck with army…. And then the show… they may not have had the time to thoroughly go over things… but bc namjoon v and jungkook had just easily discussed what needed to happen for their formation with no problem… v has no reason to think Jin will take this personally or become so defensive.

Moon
>>116201747

Why r u blaming Jin. If he said, he couldn't do it then he can't. He not a dancer so it difficult for him. Stop with your toxic comment. In this situation no one at fault. Jin feel offended because Tae looking down on him. We don't need to heard that, let it go. No one at fault so stop blaming Jin. Don't called yourself an Army if u blame one and protect one.

Moon
>>116168095

They boxing him because he was disrespectful to Jin. Jin older than him and he should respect Jin.

RGardiola
>>116004755

lol not at you just being the same.. trying to blame jin only.. when in fact they both have faults for not stepping back a little and don't listen to what each other's trying to say.. did you even watch the whole video? and how they resolve it? yes jin is at fault maybe for not seriously considering what tae said but he said he's doing his best already and for tae not taking a lil step back so it won't get serious.. but anyway this is not about who's right or wrong.. what's important is that they have learned from it and resolved it.

Ebun vd

In the intro they are actually saying; wonder, anwser, her, tear. These are the names of their album series Love yourself. The song is also called. ''Outro: Her''. it was the Outro song of the first album in the Love yourself series.

roniv1425

In the Army community it's really looked down upon to camp at the airports or follow them when it's not an official event. Big Hit has also posted Army etiquette rules for all Army to follow and specifically mentions not to show up at airports. So if there's no crowds it's because hopefully Army spread the word and made it taboo to show up and spread that content.

Mona

Watch this video of TaeJin argument analysis. It beautifully shows how they have overcome the situation and made it more beautiful and fun in further Spring Day performances. As Tae said, this argument actually made them much closer. I love that duo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUvdWpp20SA

juju

Ok so fun fact: I was at their first show in Newark! I got the tix super last minute so they were nosebleeds and flew there from TX. It was my first time in New Jersey and my friend and I got to spend the whole next day in NYC. It was so cool. And when we were at the airport on our way back…. BTS WAS IN THE SAME TSA LINE AS US. We tried so hard to act cool and not stare or take pics to respect their privacy. Afterwards tho when we walked passed them to our gate we quickly whisper-yelled that we saw their show two nights before and they did great! I immediately called my sister crying because I couldn’t believe that happened 😭😂😂

Laurat Zoaka

As pivotal as the argument was tpin showing how the team problem solve it stresses me out cos confrontation triggers my anxiety big time. Thankfully the dubbed fight by Cameron Philip has eased the memory for me😅👌

Eles
>>116168095

Does age matter when they talk about work? Or just because Jin is older than V can't share his opinions/thoughts? If you watched the video, you can see how V at the beginning speaks calmly and respectfully and constantly repeats: "ok, I'll try.. I'll do it.. but you hyung do it like this.." And Jin keeps repeating that he can't do it. Although it would all end if he said "ok, I'll try." It's not that hard, and I don't think that if he answered like that, it would hurt his feelings. One of the thousand reasons why BTS has reached such peaks of success is because they pay attention to such small details in the choreography and always try to make their performance perfect. When they talk about work, they are all equal. Do not forget that J-Hope is also younger than Jin, but when he teaches his choreography, he is quite strict with him. Jin is my bias btw and I miss him so much🥹💜

Eles
>>116168095

V was also comforted and supported by others (members and staff). All the members said they understand both sides.

Moon
>>116168095

R u blaming Jin too. I think no one at fault so let just let it go. Jin not at fault and V not at fault.

Raven Roth

What I love about BTS is that they are highly emotionally intelligent. They won't disregard each other's feelings just to come on top. We all fight with our families and friends and sometimes we forget that these are the people we love, they are not our enemies. But the pride is what makes us say and do stupid shit just so we don't feel like we lost the argument or have that feeling of "oh, i fucked up, i am in the wrong". Nobody wants to feel like this and our pride keeps us from admitting it. Like Jk said, it's all about taking a step back and reminding yourself that these are your people and you don't need to fight them like they are the enemy. I am glad they showed us this side of them and it's a great learning experience about how to deal with these type of situations.

Faye Erika
>>115892389

Omg i was shocked when she said that too!!! Hahaha i love her she’s too precious 🥺💖

Tania Begum

I remember when this episode aired, the whole fandom was in chaos. It gave me anxiety watching it but fans took it too far by over analysing and picking sides.

Zoe Bees

TaeJin’s Fight could even be STAGED.. just saying 😅

Emmy
>>117079800

BTS is different in that they are not fake, they would not purposely worry ARMY. Western artist fake relationships and fights for clout, I don't really see Korean celebrities do that because the culture is different.

Gulnaz
>>116201747

omg 🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️

Blessed

I realize I'm very late to the game here (just joined and am now bingeing on your past content! ; ) but I really want to say something that has always been on my mind since this episode of Burn. I don't think Jin was ever joking. If you look at how he responded from the start, yes he may have had a slight joking tone, and he may have been slightly seeming to brush off V's criticism, but I have always felt that he seemed genuinely serious from the start that he could not do any better so stop bugging him about it. He was always very aware that he was possibly the weakest dancer at that point, and had to work so much harder than the others, I imagine it would be so frustrating to be trying to hard and still be criticized. And when you're the elder too. I think when he said "i'm sorry I took it as a joke" that is NOT an admission that he had been taking it as a joke. It was simply a way to offer an olive branch. Notice that it is Jin who steps up and swallows his pride and says "I was wrong" and puts his hand of reconciliation out. He was very intentionally being the "bigger person" and it's too bad V was too wrapped up in his hurt feelings at that moment to accept it.

Blessed

And that's why when RM said "Jin your jokes sometimes go too far" I imagine it would be even more wounding to Jin. I am definitely a fan of all the 7 members, but this was one moment when I think Jin was shining and choosing to sacrifice himself for V and for the sake of the group and I don't think he gets enough credit for the moment.

Ashleyder
>>119664443

I agree so much with this. Jin is hyper aware that he is the "weakest dancer", and I think V pushing that criticism when Jin genuinely felt like he was trying his best got him feeling sensitive and that's why he reacted. I 100% think he said that about joking just as a way of extending a peace offering to V so that they could move past it.

Blessed
>>119664642

Thank you for commenting Ashleyder--I've always felt this is so clear but no one else seems to see it and I wish I could tell Jin how much his choice here was noticed and appreciated. : ) So thanks for joining me in that!

Cristiane Agassis

There's a whole DVD show in Brazil from 2019, would hope for you guys to react to parts of it or YT videos of the show, besides the bond that they have with Brazilians, Jimin was very sick and couldn't sing parts of a song so the crowd did it for him and he cried on stage.

Chiii<3
>>116004755

Stop picking on jin, people like you are so annoying for choosing sides when they’ve already solved the problem

Audrey Vasquez

Tried to briefly scroll through the comments to see if anyone said anything about this and I didn’t see anything I think so… “An-nyeong-ha-se-yo” (안녕하세요) is the formal way of saying hello and “an-nyeong” (안녕) can be used as an informal way to say hi/bye. However, 안녕하세요 cannot be used to say goodbye formally (formal goodbyes are a bit more tricky as they change depending on if you’re the one leaving or if the other person is leaving). “Go-ma-wo” (고마워) is the informal way to say thank you and that’s what Daniel’s phone said first. “Gam-sa-ham-ni-da” (감사합니다) is the formal way. There are a few other ways to say thank you as well. “Sa-rang-hae” (사랑해) is the informal way to say I love you and all you have to do is add “yo” at the end to make it formal. “Sa-rang-hae-yo” (사랑해요). I have studied Korean for 5 years now so if y’all ever have questions I’m here!

Audrey Ninina
>>119664443

V was rightful. He was just making a suggestion for Jin to move faster and Jin brushed it off without listening. But in the end it lasted just for a day so no need to super-analyze this. :)

Wernie Chan

Silver lining is that after this whenever they perform Spring Day, we get an awesome V and Jin interaction! Reminding us that what doesn't break us makes us stronger!

Karin
>>116201747

No one thinks that. Honestly. Jin already said repeatedly that he can't go any faster because he would get the tempo wrong. He was asking Taehyung to take smaller steps, which also isn't hard to concede to. And Taehyung was going too far out, as has been proven during the rehearsal video. How would you say Jin wasn't listening when he had already given his response and Taehyung wouldn't accept a compromise at the time? Everytime this comes up, there are some of you who wouldn't take it for what it is when both of them could have done better at the time. Jin's only fault was that he could have been less dismissive of Taehyung's suggestion at first. Taehyung could have less accusing and more accepting of compromise. Both of them learned how to communicate better out of this, and still some of you still insist one can be completely absolved of all fault that they both already recognized and corrected. Let it go already.

Karin
>>115866885

Thank you for this wonderful response. I was wondering if someone had told them, and this was beautifully constructed. Thank you.

Karin

You missed the part where RM told Jin "you let things slide too much", because he wasn't calling the younger ones out when they go overboard. He was right, though. It always made Jin feel bad when play turned into arguments because he wasn't "charismatic enough" to enforce anything on the younger ones. Suga was also right that respect begets respect. At the end of the day, Jin should have respected the kids enough to know they would understand his boundaries if he communicated them seriously/honestly, and the younger ones should have respected Jin enough to know that he is still their hyung even though he didn't assert his seniority—he would still have his boundaries. I honestly agree with Yoongi in fighting it out. And of everything that they continuously accomplish, this is one of the things about them that I admire the most, because this is one of the hardest things to do in any commitment. This is how I know they're also in this Bangtan life for life.

Alwena Willis
>>116004755

Just reading the comments again here as someone had posted a comment on mine and reading yours I was disappointed. You obviously have not watched the analysis video or you would have realised that Jin was not being immature or disrespecting Tae but was actually being defensive knowing that it was Tae’s error having gone past his mark the night in question making it difficult for Jin to get back for the next part. He used humour trying to diffuse it the situation and when that did not work he apologised and as the elder that is a big thing in Korea, to which I might add Tae did not respond. Jin continually asked him to take smaller steps which indicates he was well aware he was not in the wrong but still never attacked Tae like he was being attacked. Yet, still to this day he gets the brunt of the blame even though it was proven that it was Tae’s error. This makes those of us who have watched the analysis quite mad at this constant barrage of venom and misjudgements by those who favoured Tae or can not be bothered to even watch the analysis because they prefer their truth.

Alwena Willis
>>116202135

We have all watched it. Jin may not be the best if dancers but because he has to practice the most he knows the choreography really well. As someone said he may have been a bit dismissive of V but V was actually being disrespectful and also not listening to Jin or his suggestions either. I have seen many of your posts now and realise as a V fan even with proof which many people have told you about you are only going to believe your version so that’s fine believe what you want but do not expect to change the viewpoint of others who have watched the analysis and the proof.

TAMANG
>>116342706

Me too😂…..all I remember now is “have you seen these shoulders”

Elentaツ

I really would like to comment more on this episode, but I say just one thing, because the guys said everything perfectly and resolved their conflict without us, right there on our screens. I'm proud that they came out of this situation with dignity and experience. What disappoints me is the attitude of the fans, when both are at fault. The way the fans (I can't bear to call them armуs) completely justify one and dismiss the other mercilessly (and vice versa) in this situation. The hypocrisy of biased fans in action... even in this comment section (after many years).

Danielle

I remember feeling disappointed that they had this argument,but the SND’s were all talking about a fight between the two, but I like what SUGA felt, they are family and in all families there are fights. Yes, RM handled it very much in a mature way, yet in a living way, I loved him more that he was concerned about about his younger brother, knowing how sensitive he is. JIMIN. Is so cute always worried about the others, you see it more how he senses V’s hurt feelings. I see JIN, getting his pride hurt, back and forth, both finally realizing each at fault. This is the SPRING DAY choreography V’s Part “my Best Friend” 💜 💜 One Day Daniel will have the chance to see a Celebrity from who knows where, maybe even BTS, doing a concert tour in 2025 or 2026.

Iyalini
>>119664642

I've always felt sorry for Jin. He just wants to make the members happy. He just wanted to ease the moment but got offended and he is the one who asked sorry first despite him being the eldest