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Game of Thrones 8x6 Reaction & Review (Patreon)

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Game of Thrones Reaction & Review S8 E6 | 'The Iron Throne'


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FIRST TIME Watching Game of Thrones! | 8x6 Reaction and Review | 'The Iron Throne'

Game of Thrones | Season 8 Episode 6 | Reaction & Review | "The Iron Throne" You read it correctly... We have NEVER watched Game of Thrones before! We are House of The Dragon fans, FINALLY starting our GoT journey! We are super excited for you to join us as we delve into the infamous world of GoT for the very first time! It's definitely been a long time coming... Buckle up, because it's going to be a long 8 seasons! Be warned, Winter is definitely coming... Click the link below and join NOW for exclusive content on our Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/spartanandpudgey If you would like to support our channel, click on the JOIN button and receive some extra perks such as membership badges, exclusive custom emotes and priority reply to comments! Introduction: 0:00 - 11:20 Reaction: 11:21 - 49:10 Discussion/Review: 49:11 - 1:18:39 Like and SUBSCRIBE and click that bell to turn ON POST NOTIFICATIONS if you enjoyed the video and want to keep up to date with new posts! Connect with us on INSTAGRAM: https://www.instagram.com/spartanandpudgey/?hl=en OUR DISCORD: https://discord.com/invite/aPbnMXbYkM Connect with Spartan on TWITCH: https://www.twitch.tv/cpaspartan #houseofthedragon #gameofthrones #reaction

Comments

Lou Dryka

Is that snow or is that ash

Anonymous

It's been an amazing ride watching your reactions to Game of thrones and House of the Dragons looking forward to your future reactions. Glad to see you guys have started the Lord of the Rings journey also another favorite of mines.

Jonathanese

Sending Jon to the "Night's Watch" was kinda a smart move by Bran, though. There's a bit of a wink and a nod at that decision that "There's not reason for the night's watch to exist." So it satisfies Dany side in terms of seeking justice, when what he's actually doing is sending Jon to live with the free folk, which he seemed to prefer. And as a result, the Starks ended up with a clean sweep of the entire continent. Bran in the South, Sansa in the North, and Jon in the Real North.

Anonymous

And now Greyworm will go to Naath to die a horrible death of butterfly fever. Only the inhabitants of that island are immune. Anyone who goes there from the outside gets infected and bleeds out a horrible agonizing death. Just to rub salt in the wound šŸ˜‚

Anonymous

I can see how the rest of season 8 didn't seem that bad to you guys since you're watching all the episodes with no significant break in between. But when we had to wait years between seasons, there was a ton of excitement, anticipation, and hope that D&D had a secret amazing ending planned. Everyone got super mad when the ending crashed and burned.

Anonymous

Bran: "I cant be a lord" But can be King lmao

Anonymous

And be careful with your dives on YouTube you might find spoilers for house of the dragon. Thereā€™s some pretty major ones out there that would ruin that show for you guys.

Sean Carroll
>>113077133

Itā€™s absolutely pointless though since the Dothraki and unsullied will be leaving Westeros forever and the unsullied in particular will die in naath to the poisonous butterflies. Oh wait d&d kinda forgot about those

Sean Carroll
>>113077616

I donā€™t really want anymore. Why do you think I came all this way. Facepalmed my head clean off

Demo

Bran becoming King might be the worst decision of the entire show. This last episode felt like a fever dream. The first time I am watching it since it ended.

Anonymous

Tyrion: ā€œWho has a better story than Bran?ā€ Entire audience screaming: ā€œLiterally everyone else! How about Jon?ā€

Anonymous

Roll on Breaking Bad. Letā€™s go. Forget this trash ending.

Matthew s

It was great to see House Stark win the Game of Thrones! But Sansa undermining Branā€™s authority immediately by removing the North from the country was a choice.

Anonymous

Loved rewatching this show with you guys! You brought back all the happy times when I watched it while it was on. Will definitely be here for breaking bad and HoTD S2!!!

Sean Carroll
>>113077616

Well regardless of that he still says he canā€™t be lord of anything and yet he becomes lord of westerod

Sean Carroll

Why did all the other lords just accept that the north would become its own independent kingdom. Why didnā€™t they all argue for the same privilege, they just let it go without a second thought. Why was there a water bottle next to Samā€™s foot

Anonymous

Breaking bad let's go. xD

Demo

All the great theories that people came up with, the conversations about who would end up on the Iron Throne, the waiting between seasons and all of the anticipation. The culture shift that this show started. I have watched so many other shows before and after GOT and even with the horrible ending, I still can't move it out of my top spot. This isn't the ending that the fans of the show deserved. Even the actors were bothered by how it ended. This show is all anyone talked about for like a decade and besides reactions, and HOD press, GOT faded out of relevancy all because the writers got lazy and decided to end it prematurely. Still love it but GOT deserved so much more :(

Demo

Thank you to Spartan and Pudgy for sharing their experience with us! The closest we'll get to ever watching it for the first time again.

Anonymous

It'd be awesome to see you react to Ryan George's GoT Season 8 Pitch Meeting. Sums up all my feelings hilariously.

Daniel Siegel

I think you did these last few episodes justice, weighing the good with the bad, acknowledging the disappointments but still retaining a deep appreciation for GOT overall. Your personalities, your banter, your insights all made these the GOT reactions I most looked forward to. Iā€™ve already started rewatching some of your videos, and I know in the future Iā€™ll come back to them again and again. Like GOT itself, your reactions have that rewatchabillity factor

DominaZeta

I recommend "The Last Watch": the behind the scenes documentary (which should be included in your box set) to ease the GoT withdrawal. It's so fascinating to see how they filmed it and all the incredible hard work that went into the production, sets, props, fight choreography, etc. Plus, it really cheered me up to see all my favourite actors laughing, joking and having fun together. A nice way to decompress from the emotional rollercoaster that is Game of Thrones (and the final episodes).

Anonymous

I don't want to add anything about the the show or the season. I just want to shout out you guys, Spartan and Pudgey. I have watched a lot of reaction channels over the years, and never felt the need to support a patreon until you guys. The two of you brought something so unique to your reactions, from the pre-episode discussion to the post-episode discussion. It's been genuinely fun watching you two explore Game of Thrones and House of the Dragon. So credit to you, and your editors, and of course your mod team who kept you from getting spoiled. Everyone should be very proud of this one, a series well done.

Anonymous

The funniest shit about what tyrion says is that the Monarchy becoming elective rather than hereditary will "break the wheel" which means nothing in itself, but many early dark ages and medieval Kingdoms and empires had elective Monarchy. It does not stop the "game of thrones", the politicking, factionalism and fighting and the war lol. It just changes the nature of it lmao

Anonymous

Yours is the first and only Patreon Iā€™ve ever bought. You are a beautiful couple and Iā€™ve enjoyed this so much even though I donā€™t comment often. Another reactor I watch called John the new King beyond the wall.. it made me feel so much better about this ending. The nights watch was just a way of satisfying the unsullied. I mean think about it, if you set John free where do you think he would go? Heā€™s the new Mance Raider and heā€™s exactly where he wants to be! I also wonder if yā€™all see how much Sansa learned from Cersei? She took Dany out with one little secret, because that was the only way to ensure the North became an independent kingdom. That coupled with Tyrions kinder gentler tactics to try and coax out the good side of Cersei (when he knows damn well she doesnā€™t have a good side). He really didnā€™t want his siblings to die and his strategies showed that much. That left Dany dead in the water by the time she got started in Westeros. Just a couple more episodes and they really could have fleshed that out and gave more meaning to Danys descent into madness.

Anonymous

I have to sincerely disagree with yall that they 'broke the wheel" I'm the biggest hater of that phrase bcs it means nothing. If it means to have a good ruler, not all Kings in westeros had been bad uptil that point. An just because they're elected, doesn't mean they'll be good. Plus Bran wasn't the first King elected in Westeros, Viserys was as shown in the more realistic take in HoT. All this change does it give more power to the Lords and makes it fair game for anyone outside the royal house. Thus the lords now have much more power (which suits them alot) who all will end up voting on a purely selfish reason on who is the most powerful or will push my agenda. I think the only two wheels that were broken were the North being independent (given the fact that there had been 3 gens of Stark that rode South and ended up dead šŸ˜•) and the wildlings who will have a different existence and whose relationship with their South will have changed.

David Richardson

I like many people thought these last episodes were blunt and clumsy to say the least, however I thought that the scene where Brienne writes Jaime's deeds in the White book was one of the most moving and beautiful of the series (aside from closing the book with the ink still wet).

Anonymous

Yes the dragon understood symbolism and burned the iron Throne rather than the man that killed his mum - makes complete sense - drogon in his symbolism era

AzukaLockheart

Bran: I could never be lord of Winterfell. I could never be lord of anything.. Also Bran: WhY dO yOu ThInK i CaMe AlL tHiS wAy!? Sure I'll be king of the seven kingdoms! Curse you D&D!! Side note to this broken season tho (it do have it good things too.. but I think most of us agrees that GoT really fell apart in S8 if it hadnt already done that), it's been such a joy to follow the journey of GoT with the two of you! Loved hearing your views and theories! I'm gonna miss waiting for a new GoT episode from you! ^^

AzukaLockheart
>>113098926

As they've said all this time, dragons are very intelligent creatures. Drogon knew what was the cause of his moms death. Breaks me to see how Danny and her little family on wings fell ;__;

Lolo

Find the video of the cast doing a final read through of the series - there are some very interesting reactions to their character's fates/actions

Kevin Warner

Congratulations on finishing GoT. You guys had such a unique perspective on it, coming from HOTD. I think not being immersed in all of the online theories,unlike us show watchers turned book readers, really helped you guys love the show for the journey that it was a lot sooner than most of us. The show meant so much to me, glad you had a same experience.

Sean Carroll
>>113098857

100 years from now "Scuse me ser, can yu decipher this writing, I cant make head nor tails of dis"

Sean Carroll
>>113102954

started falling in 5, continued falling in 6 and then fell apart in 7 altogether, 8 just added fire on top of it

neutchain
>>113098857

I agree that the last two seasons had a lot of really nice moments 100% agree on that. But the truth is, the earlier season had a few bad moments and the rest of the season was super high-quality top-shelf TV. I wish it stayed that way.

Julia

the fact that you really think Drogon would just jump ship from dany to jon after he killed her is hilarious lmao. where have you been 8 seasons, that was his MOTHER. dragons are very intelligent

Anonymous
>>113098857

Well People who are experiencing the story later like S&P enjoy it allready a lot more. They were not part of toxic echochamber.

Anonymous

you should rewatch the series again in a year or so you will catch things you missed i have watched it several times

Anonymous

As far as the ending goes, I feel people are mad because they dont get a happy ever after. Especially about Daenerys : people believed in her and thought she would save the world. Call that a wishful thinking. That's what many people want nowdays. Unfortunately, many of us did not understand what was going on with the character since episode 1. And many of us did not understand what danger lies with such utopia. Daenerys is the personification of what is going on with the West. Woke people, anti-racist, anti-capitalist, all those peoples claiming that they will build a better world. That our society is rotten to its core, that we should be ashamed of our history. Bla bla bla. They KNOW what is good for everyone. They are BETTER than the mortal commoner. They are the WISEST people to ever breath since the beginning of mankind. "If I would rule, I would build such a perfect world. A world in my image". You want a spoiler ? Beware of such people. That is exactly what Tyrion understood in the end. Such utopia conducted by unchallenged leader will lead to death. Its what happened in our French Revolution. Hundred of thousand of people butchered for liberty and death to the monarchy. A whole region, VendƩe, massacred because they rose against what they felt was injustice. It doesn't matter that they supported the revolution against the King. Because in the end they questionned the Revolution. Their life didn't improved, quite the opposite. Their churches were brought down. Their priests either swore to serve the Republic or unacknowledged. Meaning they could be killed. People hide to have official mass. Then the Republic came asking for people to serve in the army against foreign nations. To defend this great revolution. That was too much : why should those people bleed for a revolution that has brought nothing good to them for years ? They refused to serve and armed themselves. Women, children, man, it doesn't matter, thousands were killed. Like 25% of the people living in VendƩe according to historians. Some in oven burned to death, drown in rivers, hanged in the street. Or just killed in combat for the luckiests. Death squadrons did go through villages and burned it all for miles and miles. Imagine what those people would have done if they had dragons. You can't be against the "good" people. Because what does that make you ? Its exactly what happened with communism. Such an utopia. But the love of the poorest was just an excuse to hide the hate for the richest. Danny is exactly that. She freed the slave. But not without some massacres on the masters. She keep on going about her claim to break the wheel. But in the end, all she cared for was to sit on the iron throne. What an irony : she swore to destroy the exact same thing that made her the rightful Queen. Until Jon true identity came out. It did not matter : the power was hers. She knows better. She's good. But then, you have power, how can it be over ? There is still a world to free ! More poor people harmed by the wheel. Even if they do not know that they are crushed by it, "I know it, I know what is good for humanity". So the war must go on. It is never ending. Maybe an advisor is ill intentionned. Maybe sons of nobles are speaking in my back and may challenge me to build the wheel again. That's exactly what happend with communism, again. When the richest were dealt with, they had to find anothers. Because there are always rich people. So they did go for the landowners. And so on and so on. Until millions of people were put in goulags. Even people that believed in this great utopia. That's why many people were and still are mad about GoT. Because unconsciously, the story told by Daenerys character goes against their opinion. It goes against the story they told themselves in real life. Once I understood all of that, i found the depiction of Danny to be perfect. They showed enough for us to have a doubt about her intention until the end and still be chocked when she burns all of it. And as far as i'm concerned, I'm sure that's what Martin was going for. Because he loves history so much, 90% of his books are inspired by it. Be it the war of the roses or the hundred years war. His favourite and biggest inspiration is the saga of "The cursed kings". Written by a French, Maurice Druon. Wonderful books. So I would be surprised Danny revolution is hell of a lot inspired from the French one. Because reality is always better than fiction if you dig a bit.

Gummybear

Iā€™m scared to watch šŸ„¹šŸ„¹

Anonymous
>>113126019

It's an interesting analysis, but I don't your reason for people not liking the ending is true. The trope of "idealistic revolution turned out to be evil" is not new. As many people here commented, if Danny's descent into madness had been executed well, it would've made for a very interesting twist. But it just wasn't, and that's why people didn't like the ending. Bad storytelling.

Anonymous
>>113126019

Its not a descent into madness. Thats the thing. And thats why people complain about writing, thinking we did not see the madness enough. Theres not twist. Shes not mad like her father. Shes just embodiement of a revolution that claims to make the world better. Nothing about madness there. Its just its nature. Danny has been like that since the beginning. She wanted to free the world of what she considers evil. She was seen as pure and innocent. She saw herself like that. No matter the cost her dream of breaking the wheel needed to come true. And there you have it, death and fire. Just like the French revolution. And if you still want to support the revolution then you have to tell yourself lies. Just like with Daenerys. "Its badly written". Its not the writing of the century, sure. Saying its bad is a lie. "It should have been longer, like 6 more episodes". Like 8 seasons wasnt enough. Im convinced people first and foremost didnt like how it ended rather than how it was written. Just look how many treads and youtube videos were made about "alternative" ending. Many of them, if not all, changed the story completly. Daenerys so called madness was THE most controversial thing.

Anonymous
>>113126019

I'm not sure I understand your view of Danny. Are you saying that Danny was sincere, until she got to the finish line, and then gave in to a natural desire to be a tyrant when she saw she could? Or was she just power hungry from the beginning, and just using the ideals to gain supporters, without fully believing in them? Or what exactly?

Gummybear

That empty feeling is so real šŸ„² I still feel it years later when I think about this show. Never have become as attached to a show before or since, (except maybe friends). Thank you for allowing us to relive the journey with you ā¤ļø

neutchain
>>113153553

Yep, the best thing about this rewatch was definitely them. Rarely see someone soo deeply interested in a show or movie like they are and I respect them for it because this kind of passion always results in genuine feelings and reactions and it was a lot of fun to watch. Next time I decide to rewatch the show I will definitely do it synced up to their full-length vids but will pull a break after season 6 and cherrypick what I watch from the last two seasons. BTW I'm sure this guy will turn up soon to tell me how wrong I am again and what a masterpiece the last season is.

Anonymous
>>113126019

Thats kind of what I'm assuming. But not fully what I say. I'm just saying people that claim to be good, people that want to make the world better, people assuring you they know what is good for all of us, are more often than not monsters in disguise. Those people are tyrant if you give them the opportunity to. That's what many episodes of history tells us. That's why I find the parallel with the French revolution to be on point. Of course she believed in her utopia. That's the dangerous point. And she was encouraged by people joining her. Assuring her she would be THE queen. A good queen. In search for a perfect world, people are ready to do anything. Because this utopia is good. They are good people. So people that oppose that are necessarily bad. There's no middle ground in their mind. Because there is no middle ground in an utopia. Only whats good and whats not. We saw that with the fighting pits thing for example. People wanted to fight. Because it was their culture. Their tradition. Be it for the masters or the fighters. She was disgusted by it. In her world, there will be no fighting. No death. No calamity. No tragedy. Unless she decides there will be deaths. Unless she had to kill people opposed to her true vision. She doesnt care for culture or tradition. She doesnt care for the people. Her hate for the "wheel", aka the system, the rich, the masters, was the fuel that drove her. Not love for the "people". What did she know of the people apart that slavery is bad and slaves need to be freed ? And yes, she was power hungry. Since the beginning she tells it. She's the rightful queen. But the rightful queen according to who ? To what ? According to the "wheel" she claims she'll destroy ? In her perfect world, wouldn't a leader be chosen by his people ? She wasn't chosen. She just came with dragons and foreigner armies to assert her claim. And we would go on and on with many experiences she had. But in the end, I just feel its a really good take on what we nowdays have with "Social justice warriors". With woke people. With people with no roots claiming they would make the world better given they had enough power. Give them the means to conduct their utopia, they'll only leave blood and ashes in their path. They can't build something. They only destroy or corrupt what has been standing for centuries. Because love for the oppressed is nothing compared to their hate of human nature, tradition, culture, religion... You name it, theres nothing that was built for thousands of years they dont see as outdated. Daenerys is the embodiment of social justice warriors. Or to have a more accurate term : nihilism. But that would be a way too long discussion I'm a bit lazy to have to be honest.

Anonymous

Never enjoyed Danyā€™s ending here- we started the show with her character experiencing intimate partner violence (even though she eventually loved Drogo, it was still IPV) and we end with her character experiencing the same kind of intimate violence from yet another partner. Say what you want about her needing to die- stabbing her while she was in such an intimate, vulnerable moment is just gross and so so violating.

Gummybear
>>113153553

Hahah the one thing I wonā€™t miss about these reactions is having to read that guyā€™s comments anymore

Jake Follain
>>113176543

You could say that the thousands of babies she just massacred (after the war being won) was also gross and violating, lets prevent thousands more babies being cooked, seems reasonable enough to me. You take the next opportunity to end it, period.

Jake Follain
>>113126019

"I feel people are mad because they dont get a happy ever after." You haven't even bothered to read the complaint of a single person, including Spartan and Pudgy. As they explained, the ending is not the issue, it's how it gets there. It's the ham-fisted nature of all that happens in Season 8. A good example (and there are many) is when Jon rides Rhaegal, it's treated as a quick rollercoaster ride and has absolutely no meaning at all. This relationship should have had at least had *some* build up, form some sort of bond with the dragon named after his father. Riding him should have been a season finale moment, not some throwaway thing. What should have been something deep and meaningful, ends up being the equivalent of a one night stand, empty and meaningless. Does he even say the word "Rhaegal"? I think he does, once. They couldn't depict these things in a satisfying way because they needed to speed-run to the end, quick time. No time to waste. It's not that the creators are incompetent, as some say, but that they didn't give themselves enough time. "Woke people, anti-racist, anti-capitalist, all those peoples claiming that they will build a better world" I do hope you understand that the creators of this show are firmly on the left. This interpretation is simply tied directly to your "woke" obsession, and therefore absolutely everything has to relate to that, you perceive absolutely everything through that lens, but this is certainly not what the showrunners intended, that's not the take as you said, it is purely within your own imagination. It's quite ironic because Game of Thrones actually came under fire from these "anti-woke" reactionaries in later seasons, yet you're defending it. I assume you disagree with all those who claimed Game of Thrones was going woke? This is the issue, even more so now than then, *everything* has to be "woke" now. It's culture war nonsense, idiots on both sides. Thankfully most people are neither extreme and could care less. That's coming from someone who has criticized those who want to censor certain views. May I add that the average "woke" person, at least those that are claimed to be woke, do not necessarily advocate for communism. Simply being in possession of a rainbow flag is enough to be woke these days, which is just as silly as those who call everyone racist. "That's what many episodes of history tells us." Yeah, and the vast majority of it has nothing to do with being woke. It turns out the religion and tradition you say they hate, is a large part of all of that suffering. It is the cause of the vast majority of bloodshed, that is an undeniable reality. Indeed the Faith Militant and the Seven is a very clearly fictional take of religion in the real world and this exact "we know what's best" mentality that you speak of, except it isn't in your imagination and fits far better than anything in the show being a take on the "woke", so it would be far better to make that connection instead. "Its not a descent into madness." Once again this is what the creators of the show intended to depict. Her losing everyone and and then losing her mind, like happened with many Targaryen's, it was developed. I feel like this can only be a semantics game, but pray tell what made her father any different? By every definition of the word it is a descent into madness. Any assertion that she has been like that since the beginning has absolutely not paid attention or chooses to ignore parts of the story. Do you think she saved the witch that was raped by Dothraki in season 1 and all those in that village because she felt like it? Why try and further stop this Dothraki tradition in it's tracks, risking her own life? Did she ask for the Iron Born to do no more reeving and raping because she was just feeling nice that day? She hated the fighting pits because she did not like people butchering each other, it's certainly not that she would prefer to be the one doing the murder, that's absurd. Like I said, your interpretation is purely within your own imagination and certainly is not implied or intended by the creators. Of course it is tied to her belief that she's correct, many people believe they're correct, but that doesn't mean that she gave water to crucified individuals because she had an end game in mind, she actually cared. Creators intent is all that matters here, and they would certainly not claim that she was capable of baby genocide from the beginning, Martin or the showrunners. The issue everyone has with what happened is that it wasn't done well. Killing the human shields by destroying the Red Keep would have been a logical progression of her madness arc, accepting their deaths a by product of war. But that's not what happens, she goes out of her way to kill babies and children, nearly allowing her enemy to escape. I suppose without the city burning there is no spectacle, it's just not as epic. "Maybe an advisor is ill intentionned. Maybe sons of nobles are speaking in my back and may challenge me to build the wheel again." What you are describing is MADNESS. That's the word you're looking for. Literally the same exact paranoid delusions that her father had. Her father developed madness, also.

Anonymous

They made Chadmure look like a scrub so Sansa could have girl power

Anonymous

You guys need to watch Lost next

Anonymous
>>113126019

I quote myself : "Yes it could have been longer". And something ironic along the line "Yes like 8 seasons wasn't enough". I get it. You wanted more episodes. It could have been nice. Maybe. Some people wanted to rewrite certain passage. Other wanted to do BOTH. You taking Spartan comment on Jon with the dragon doesn't change the fact that the vaste majority of comments and critics towards season 8 is not on such secondary aspect. But on HOW it ended. Especially about the choice for Daenerys to turn into "madness". I mean, I was there, alive, I saw, I heard people. You can't just say its not true to me... Man, you're taking such a personnal take on what I'm saying... I have no woke obsession just because I spoke the forbidden word and I built myself an analysis around that. I'm analysing a work of art and depicting what I sense is the deeper meaning behind it. Even more so as I find its a really fitting for the world we're living in. Mock my "deep" meaning all you want. Its surely shitty according to you. It is still my take on it. You're just building a strawman argument by claiming that i'm obsessed by wokism and such. Or by implying I'm saying woke people defend communism... What does this have to do with anything about GoT and Daenerys ? But to be 100% clear, yes I'm really not a woke advocate and sympathizer. So what ? I'm a huge fan of metal music. 80% at least of them are what I would call woke. Should I stop listening to good music because I don't agree with some positions they make ? That's non sense. That would make me the reverse side of the same coin as far as I'm concerned if I stoped listening to music just because of that. Its just sad honestly to have to explain such things. The same goes with GoT. I don't care about "woke or not woke". That's really not what I'm discussing about here. We can have another discussion about that if you want. But again, I don't care one bit about it so you'll have it without me. I used the term woke because it speak to most people nowdays. But I gave you example of French revolution. Or communism. "What you are describing is madness". No. It's nihilism. That the word I'm looking for and that I wrote. And that's the common point between woke, anti colonialism, anti racism, feminism and so on. That's the common point between Daenerys and French revolution. Nihilism and a pure utopia led by people claming to free the world from oppression. And as I said, I'm lazy to have a discussion about nihilism here. In fact I even hesitated to respond to your comment. I get it that there is this madness thing with Daenerys. I explained myself badly there I feel. Madness is like the first layer of her character. Theres always many layers to any book, painting or art in general. If we want we can stop at that and so be it. I tried to go beyond that. Not saying my explanation is good or perfect. It's my own. Nihilism is what plague our society nowdays. Myself included. I see nihilism in Daenerys. Period. You agree or not. But don't go on the field of "you're anti woke, you see wokism everywhere bla bla bla". It has nothing to do with the discussion about Daenerys or the ending. Neither does the conversation about the showrunners orientation. Even more so when saying the showrunners are on the left doesn't prove anything. French revolution was led by what we would today call 'leftists". There are more often than not contradictories in ourself. Contradictories in art. Paradoxes. One fact advocates for it : they clearly went for the Danny "I'm good" and "I know what's good for people". She says it. Yes you can say she is just mad at the time. Maybe she was. I may have explained myself badly there. I just see something beyond the madness that was there since the beginning. I won't explain it all over again. As I said, we can stop at that madness element and be happy with it. I'm not because it just too simple for GoT. Or too simple with history too. "They were mad and killed hundred of thousands people in VendƩe and lit the country on fire". Actually, there are event leading to this massacre. A philosophy. An utopia. Its not just madness for madness. There are underground layers to the madness witnessed. Nihilism gives a explanation for it. And its supported by historical facts. Be it true or not, believe it or not, that's a discussion to have. I'm just giving my perception of Daenerys character and how it fits. "Do you think she saved the witch that was raped by Dothraki in season 1 and all those in that village because she felt like it? Why try and further stop this Dothraki tradition in it's tracks, risking her own life? Did she ask for the Iron Born to do no more reeving and raping because she was just feeling nice that day? She hated the fighting pits because she did not like people butchering each other, it's certainly not that she would prefer to be the one doing the murder, that's absurd." Hmmmm I don't understand the question here. And for the part about doing herself the butchering, again, I don't understand your take on my comment... All those fact advocate for what I say : Daenerys is a nihilistic woman that don't care about tradition or culture because it doesn't fit her perfect world. As long as a fly dies, oppression must be eradicated. No matter the costs. No matter Dothraki like pillaging. No matter Iron Born love reeving. No matter the folks love their good old fighting pit : there's death so its bad. And lastly, about the religion and tradition part, and the faith militant. Well, in the two examples I find fit the best, french revolution and communism, religion and tradition had nothing to do with it. Quite the opposite. Both utopia were strongly built against tradition and religion (churches burned, priest killed, "religion is the opium of people", etc. I won't do a history course). It didn't matter that many people loved their tradition or their religion. I get what you're saying about the faith militant on the "we know what's good for you". In a sense yes, their utopia may not be so diffrent and would surely lead to many deaths. We just don't see it and they are not the one killing thousands in the show. Nor does the biggest tragedy in real life happened due to religion or tradition. Maybe I interpreted wrongly what you say : "It [religion and tradition, i guess] is the cause of the vast majority of bloodshed, that is an undeniable reality". Communism, French revolution, 1st and 2nd World war, Opium war, Vietnam... Millions of people died not because of some tradition or religion. The biggest massacre of mankind had nothing to do with religion or tradition. So i dont see the "undeniable reality". Because there are strong examples to go against that. Bloodshed and oppression happens because its human nature. And fighting against those tragedies means, in the end, fighting against our human nature (aka nihilism, aka Danny). Which then leads to bigger tragedies than the one we were fighting against. That's the whole paradox. Again, butchering and mass killing is what happen in the French Revolution. An ideal of an utopian world freed from oppression, led by people that do not accept life tragedies (aka Daenerys not accepting Missandei death, her dragons deaths, even Khal Drogo's death. Or just not accepting anything horrible in life), more often than not ends up in tragedy. Agree or not, defend woke people, attack myself for being anti-woke or what you want, it doesn't change this fact. I see Daenerys as the embodiment of this mere fact. She the incarnation of modern nihilism and self destruction in search for a better world. Nothing more, nothing less. You don't agree with it, its all fine.

Rahneian Madsgs
>>113126019

This is just you whining about the "woke West." You didn't even pay attention to anything. This ending was as happy as one can get save for Dany. They literally kept all the goody-two-shoes characters alive and fan favorites alive. Brienne is not only finally a knight, but she's head of the Kingsguard. She is probably one of the quintessential hero characters in the show. Tyrion, as flawed as he is, was painted as unambiguously good even after committing murder several times. He becomes hand of the king. Arya goes out to journey west. Sansa, the typical little white girl, becomes queen of the north and has a growth arc. Sam, someone who should've died in S2, the epitome of a "good" character and literal self-insert by the author, is a maester. Bron, the comedic dude-bro character, is somehow still relevant. Jon didn't get the throne, which he never wanted, and gets to return north where he was happiest albeit in exile. Davos, another epitome of a "good" character, is....doing whatever he's doing. People's issue with the ending was that it WAS a happy ending. All the main good and boring characters got exactly what they've been craving since their introduction. The few people they did kill in S8 were minor characters whose death had already been telegraphed a mile away. THIS was the Disney ending we didn't want. The fact you can look at this and see all the tropes they adhered to have a huge payoff and see the creators say "themes are for book reports" and still say people are upset because it WASN'T a happy ending shows you don't know what you're talking about and you just wanted to get on a soap box and cry about your retrograde opinion on modern culture.

Anonymous
>>113126019

Where do I whine ? Saying Danny is the embodiment of historical events, the incarnation of nihilism, is whining ? Danny is the woke west. Danny is the French revolution and its Terror period. And that botters you obviously. None of the comments, beginning with yours, adress this. So don't speak to me about whining when it's literally what your few lines are about : whining about my "retrograde opinion on modern culture". If that makes any sense to begin with. Because you do not know anything about my opinion on this matter :) Guess what, I agree about the "happy" ending on all the characters, particularly on this council thing with Bran being the king. Or Tyrion. You're right. Again, you're missing the point : Danny has no happy ending. And that got some people, if not many, mad. Here you get yourself angry because I wrote "woke". And then you go on about the "little white girl". You don't see the irony, do you ? Plus, one can argue that as far as "happily ever after" goes, one can really make a better Disney ending. I don't recall "the princess burns everyone and is killed by the prince" as a typical Disney ending. I don't see the big happy ending there, sorry. Yes I could have been worse. But saying that doesn't make it a happy ending either. The mere fact you get this angry over my comment just make me think I'm even more right than I thought before writing all this. Chill. Its a show. Its only my take on the ending. Well, I wasted to much time here. thought it would be some discussions and exchange. But its just people being angry for "some" reason. Who knows :)

Anonymous
>>113126019

Dup, your take was the most nuanced and refreshing one i read since i got here. Thank you for understanding this masterpiece.

Anonymous
>>113126019

Martin also doesnt believe in "Themes" when writing storys just like D&D. Source: https://youtu.be/Fvr_-Hh50eg (starts at 06:13)

Anonymous

Can you guys please do a re-reaction to the first episode of House of the Dragon. Just the first one. So then you can feel the impact that we all felt when the first episode aired. I actually cried.

Anonymous

I actually love that Jon went back North of the wall. He will probably be their king. We will find out when his show starts.

Anonymous
>>113437529

I think we'll see him become king in the show for whatever reason

Anonymous

Bran all season: ā€˜I will never be king.ā€™ Bran this episode. ā€˜Iā€™m king.ā€™

Anonymous

Tbh, when I watched the last season of Game of Thrones I felt kind of disconnected to it because during the long wait between season 7 and 8, I watched A LOT of prediction videos and read some fan fiction. Watching season 8 was like checking off on a list the events that were supposed to happen. Perhaps that is my fault and not the fault of the writers cause some things are supposed to happen/make sense. However, a couple things surprised me like Arya killing the Night King and Bran becoming king. I read some of the books and I really liked that Tyrion called him ā€œBran the Brokenā€ because Bran called himself that in his head when he was still trying to cope with being crippled. There are a lot of famous Brandon Starks in his ancestry like ā€œBran the Builderā€. Bran was ashamed that he would probably be known solely for his disability. Little did he know that the name that he once used to belittle himself will be used to empower him and others. Everyone at the time went into episode 6 knowing that Dany was probably gonna die by one hand or another. Having Jon do it made sense because he was probably the only one that she would trust to get close enough to her without her soldiers around her or Drogon. && Jon was the only one capable of getting past Drogon. Itā€™s like Maester Aemon said, ā€œThere is a day in every manā€™s life where he must choose.ā€ && I respect Jon for making that choice because I know that either way he would end up questioning if he made the right one for the rest of his life. As someone who struggles with making decisions I respect his courage to do something instead of waiting to see what will happen. He ensured a future for his family and Westeros because Dany would no longer be a threat. I love Dany as a character and after episode 5, I thought I had mentally prepared myself for her death. When she died I was sad, but then the scene was over pretty soon and not revisited much. So I donā€™t think I really got a chance to really feel her death until I rewatched the episode a few times. Iā€™ve never had anyone Iā€™ve loved pass away (thank God), so I donā€™t truly know what it feels like to grieve for someone. But idk, the months following the ending of Game of Thrones, I feel as if I truly grieved for the loss of Daenerysā€™ character. It felt like a sunken hole in my chest. I grieved for the little girl who only ever dreamed of home. I grieved for who she could have been. Itā€™s not just because of how she died or that she died. It felt like Dany truly died in episode 5 when she burned all the innocents in Kingslanding.

Anonymous

Bran "had the best story". That's why he wasn't in an entire season. Too many issues with this season to go into here. Season 1-4 each season-10/10. Season 5-7/10. Season 6-9/10. Season 7-7.5/10. Season 8-3/10.

Anonymous

First people to think that was snow instead of ashes. Lol.

big harsher

"and whos got a better story than bran the broken" EVERYONE TYRION! EVERYONE!!

Franky E

Honestly Drogon was the mvp of this episode. All of his shots were really cool. Glad everything in this series all leads up to Drogon looking cool and doing cool stuff in the finale.

Anonymous

Remember that Jon is undead. And remember Aliser Thorne's curse: "You're be fighting these wars forever." In the novels, the character Benjen ended up playing is thousands of years old, and could be the last Azor Ahai, and so it may be that Jon's purpose is to roam the north forever. The story is supposed to be bittersweet and circular.