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UNEDITED EXCLUSIVE: Stargate SG-1 Season 9 Episode 5 "The Powers That Be" REACTION! (Patreon)

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What it dooski! Here's my  UNEDITED EXCLUSIVE: Stargate SG-1 Season 9 Episode 5 "The Powers That Be" REACTION!

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Lady Beyond The Wall

Well, I'm not sure if they would have defended her as hard as they did or not if Vala and Daniel weren't still linked through that bracelet's effect that's still hanging around. So if they decide to kill her, Daniel dies too. If that bracelet didn't have lingering effects, she'd be gone by now. So part of it was trying to convince these people that there are other people out there claiming to be gods and part of it was trying to save his own life as well. I think a part of Daniel always believes people can change for the better, too. And throughout the episode, you do see Vala actually caring about the people more than the treasure and I think, realizing what exactly she's done since she had the goa'uld taken out. She may still be greedy or like shiny objects, but I think by the end of it she genuinely felt bad for what she had done. And hey, she did admit to not being a god! That counts! 😂

James Yancy
>>81605948

Indeed. Also, while she had coasted on Q'tesh's reputation and past actions, she herself had not killed anyone or tortured them, physically at least. I think it can safely be believed that was true. When we first met Vala, even though she attacked the Prometheus, she didn't actually kill anyone then either. The point being, yeah she was a bad girl, but she did have her limits. Daniel didn't defend the bad things she did, but he was making a valid point that she could've gotten away with it, had she not admitted the truth in order to help them against a greater danger. He wasn't arguing that she didn't deserve punishment, just not death. Granted, he DID have some personal motive to push that argument.

Jaron E Ehlers

To be fair, Daniel was once on the same level as the Ori. He was ascended and would probably be horrified at the idea of people worshiping him. That said, I think the part of the argument that despite of the Ori's power, you shouldn't worship something that is evil, that evil doesn't deserve your devotion, is the much stronger (and more relevant) part of his argument. That said, as we see in this episode, SG-1 had a very small deck of cards to play and simply were no match to the Prior. Neither Goa'uld or Earth science could stop the plague and they can't just kill the Prior. They only lived because the Prior let them. I think Daniel did the best he could but he was never winning this one.

Anonymous
>>81605948

I think it’s also worth noting that Vala didn’t pretend to be Que’tesh for all 4 years (it was mentioned in this episode that she hadn’t returned for many ‘seasons’ as she’d left the planet once she felt as though she’d ‘gotten back on her feet’) it was only 4 years ago that the Tok’ra actually removed the symbiote… Not defending her actions but I guess I’m a bit more forgiving since she WAS a host to an evil parasite for a number of years and was then horrifically tortured once she was finally herself again (she may have indeed been messing with Daniel when she was in his room but I think what makes her such a good liar is that she incorporates elements of the truth, so I do believe that everything she said - her engagement before she was taken as a host and being stoned and spat on when she went home - was true) so it’s not a stretch to say that may have messed her up a bit lol like she may be greedy/selfish but we really don’t know what she was like prior to being a host and a lot of that may have been born out of self-preservation…

Timothy Nikiforovs

I do think this episode is actually quite a good one, certainly better than last week. There are some legitimate questions about how the team/sgc handled the situation. First, Daniel really wasn't making his best arguments here, with the most impactful being that it's not so much about what power you have as how you use it. but the trial part of the episode doesn't hold a candle to Cor'ai. And as MisturSmith said on the discord, there are some serious moral shortcomings in the strategy of playing chess with a planets population against the ori. After all it's not like Earth is going to be the one paying for it. I remember in the DVD commentary for this episode, they said they really wanted to flat our have SG1 lose to the ori. To play advocate for SG1, they're really out of their league and just don't know what to do here. On the one hand, they know what it's like when the ori take over, and they saw first hand how oppressive they can be. It may be wrong to gamble with their lives like that, but much of that is going to come from just not knowing what to do. Every planet that converts to origin is a stronghold. It's not like the goa'uld where some like the Tollan or Nox could stand up to them, and there were free planets throughout the galaxy. This is a crusade. This isn't petty power games and internecine warfare like we saw with the goa'uld. Given the chance, the ori will forcibly convert every last man, woman, and child in the galaxy, and erase any knowledge or history that contradicts origin. They'll kill everyone who questions them. So in the short term could them telling people to resist lead to a lot of deaths? Yes, but long term we're talking about a galaxy wide dark age that will never end. The ori HAVE to be stopped. I don't think anyone expects that to happen without losses, but Daniel didn't expect resisting to be so.......useless. Again, they're not dealing with the goa'uld. With them, anyone could pick up a zat or staff weapon and show they aren't magic, anyone with naquadah in the blood can use their hand devices. Their ships can be captured and used against them. Their power is comparably easy to demonstrate as just being a technological advantage, and moreover very effectively gunning down jaffa and in some cases killing the supposed gods themselves is a very effective way to show they're not as divine as they claim. With the priors, their powers aren't so easy to pass off. They've been changed by the ori, and much like the mutants in Metamorphosis, they really do have superhuman powers not dependent on external devices. What role their staffs play, possibly as an amplifier, is unclear, but I doubt anyone could pick them up and do anything with them. Plus pulling the matrix BS and stopping bullets mid air, not to mention raising the dead, is a very effective display. They're clearly far more capable and far harder to stop than some goa'uld with a hand device. I think Daniel pleaded with the prior because he knew resisting would only get everyone on the planet killed, so he humbled himself and accepted defeat. He knows they can't just let the ori convert everyone, but he also knows they need to accept this loss until they can find an effective way to fight back. Mitchell and the villagers(plus presumably them when they eventually catch it) dying would accomplish nothing. I'm torn on what would be a more effective message for the ori; having everyone die, or shielding those who believe from it? On the one hand, sparing the believers would incentivize people to believe if they know they will be protected from the consequences of their neighbors defying the ori(that would have some shades of Biblical plagues), but on the other hand, if people believe that even a few unbelievers could doom them all, they might be inclined to cleanse such people themselves to get that 100% conversion number to avoid such consequences. Also part of me wonders if the prior deliberately made some people immune(Daniel/Vala/some villagers) so that when everyone else was dead they'd be able to spread the word of what defying the ori means. As for Vala, I'm not so conflicted on them defending her. What she did was sleazy and manipulative, but certainly not deserving of death, or even necessarily life imprisonment. Keeping all her wealth was more than fair though. She certainly owed them a lot. I mean they defended Teal'c far more rigorously in Cor'ai, and while he has some defense in being enslaved at the time, he murdered potentially hundreds of innocent people, maybe more, in his time serving Apophis. I also feel Vala is a victim of what she learned to be. Assuming her story of what happened with Qetesh to be true, she came out of who knows how many years of being a prisoner in her own body, which alone would be a nightmare, to being tortured for actions she had no say in. It's little wonder she would rather put up a front and manipulate people as a means to finding security. She's been given little reason to trust people. Clearly she's not actually a malicious or cruel person, but she clearly feels safer keeping people at a distance. I think the scene where she goes to confront the prior with the P90, as well as her grief at Azdak's death, is telling of her character. She really does care about these people, and confronting the prior shows her desperation at not being able to help. Deep down she wants to be good, but she just can't help pushing people away on account of her past. Also want to say, I feel bad for Landry here, but at the same time, and someone who has had my own tensions with my parents, I get where Lam is coming from. Without knowing exactly what happened in their past, it's hard to say if she's being too harsh on him. Still, the man is trying, and at least she seems to be giving him a second chance by the end of the episode. Pretty good episode, if only to illustrate how ill equipped the SGC is to deal with this threat, and so far all they've hit us with are the missionaries. Looking forward to the next one.

Anonymous

To answer your P90 question, the weapon is chambered in 5.7x28mm. The ammo was invented by FN Herstal in Belgium along with the P90 and the FN Five-Seven pistol in 1990. The bullet is generally smaller the 5.56mm, but is designed to be a pistol caliber bullet with relatively higher velocity and armor penetration. The system was intended to become the NATO standard PDW and pistol, but when H&K/Germany lost the bid to FN, they threw a fit and voted against it, so for years NATO still had no standard on sidearms/PDWs until literally last year when NATO finally accepted the 5.7. I have personally handled one but not fired it, and I can at least say this- they are remarkably light, but the trigger and ergonomics remind me of Fischer-Price.

Lady Beyond The Wall
>>81605948

I agree with all of you in that I'm really a lot more forgiving as well. I personally never really found it weird that they were protecting or advocating for her, but I think Faily may have forgotten also that Vala and Daniel are still linked by the effects of the bracelet, so she dies, he dies. Personally, I think he would have defended her anyway, especially after all the BS they went through together in those other people's bodies. And because, like I said, I think Daniel just really believes people can change for the better and that killing her wouldn't do anything. And smaree, yeah, I personally did believe a lot of those elements of that story she told Daniel when she was in his room trying to get some. I saw the "Is it working?" reply after he said "Wait are you messing with me?" a kind of defense mechanism. She was being vulnerable, and he questioned if she was lying, which I think made her go back into her shell a little bit and pretend she was "joking". Some of it may be a bit exaggerated, buuut I personally don't think a lot of it was. She's what, realistically, a lot of people would be like if they were essentially stuck as being a goa'uld only to be released with all of those memories, having people distrust and hate you afterwards.. I doubt many would come out of the situation "normal" anyway. 🤷🏻‍♀️

James Yancy
>>81617021

I think the fact that Daniel WAS formerly ascended is the reason the Ori seem so particularly taken with him. They seem to have treated Daniel with kid gloves in some ways. Not that they still don't look down on him, but he definitely has their keen awareness of him. Respect? Fear? Intrigue? All three on some level? 🤷‍♂️

James Yancy
>>81618151

On the point of the Prior's ability to either inflict or heal the plague, I don't think the Prior had the ability to be selective about either process. If he could, he might HAVE excepted those that seemed to be willing to follow Origin, and he might have excluded Lt. Col. Mitchell from the healing. He could inflict OR heal with the plague, but I think in both cases it's an "All or Nothing" proposition.

James Yancy
>>81618151

Not to say that he couldn't heal individuals, but I don't think he was capable of being selective when healing in mass. So Mitchell really lucked out.

Brent Justice

You have to understand first that Daniel and Vala are still bound at the hip by the armlink device. So if she died, it's very likely Daniel would as well, so he has to defend her. That's just the logic of it. Now, for the rest of the episode, it's a good setup episode to show us how this war between "Gods" and technology and power is going to be defined this season. We now see the struggle that they have to get through, people will easily believe the Priors because their technology actually does look like magic to them, they can pull off miraculous things, and don't seem to ask for anything in return but to spread the word, so there's no downside, there's no subjugation like the Goa'uld did. So it seems on the up and up to these people who were just ruled by the Goa'uld. So this shows us the dynamic that our team will be facing as the Priors and Origin spread from planet to planet.

Brent Justice

Also, about the technology aspect, the tech is actually out there to "make you walk again" a Goa'uld Sarcophagus would probably have healed him. So it does exist in this universe. Just thought I'd point that out, Goa'uld sarcophagus are pretty magical, they can literally bring you back to life multiple times. So the Priors aren't all that.

Timothy Nikiforovs

Also don't remember if I pointed it out, but the bracelets that link Vala and Daniel together are a lot like the I-Yensch bracelets on Farscape.

Lady Beyond The Wall

Anyone know if last week's Atlantis is just gonna be posted with this week's? I'm having some mighty painful SGA withdrawal symptoms. I had a weird dream about Rodney I'd rather not discuss.

Yan Brassard

At this point, there is nobody who can beat the Ori except the Ancients. They need to stand up and do something. Maybe the Asgards can develop a technology that can counter some of the Ori superpowers but they would need to study them for some time. Unfortunately we don't have time. The Ancients always refused to intervene but the enemies we're facing are on the same plain of existence than them. This is not about intervening on our plain of existence but at least preventing the Ori from using their powers to create these Preachers with superpowers...

WillAlwaysLoveClark

ummm...The Goa'uld can pretty much heal anyone or anything ..remember Jacobs cancer....not just an Ori thing...