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UNEDITED EXCLUSIVE: Angel Season 3 PREMIERE REACTION and Episode 2 "That Vision Thing"! (Patreon)

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What it dooski! Here's my UNEDITED EXCLUSIVE: Angel Season 3 PREMIERE REACTION and Episode 2 "That Vision Thing"!

EPISODE 1: https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/6bwlos321rhl5aqjzpqav/AGLS31UE.mp4?rlkey=gnmq8dlprnuhyu7m1wedhzjut&dl=0

EPISODE 1: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1VJyu3T5EfuJSs9g8iJsw9tsr0PglpcWQ/view?usp=sharing

EPISODE 2: https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/hm6fpmhaz5lthsimz60ch/AGLS32UE.mp4?rlkey=8da3pvs98pjf24kun2gtsw0qh&dl=0

EPISODE 2: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1kQn3yQmvU-lRj8olcmdOMmzUL70a7vt8/view?usp=sharing

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Brent Justice

Been several, at least 3 now, weeks since Buffy, so when are you continuing it?

Laura_Ali
>>72903583

It's on the watch order next. The order just had a long block of only Angel eps for a few weeks.

Anonymous

This was actually episode 3 "That Old Gang of Mine" but if I remember correctly they are listed the wrong way round on DVD releases leading to some confusion. I don't think it makes a huge difference continuity-wise.

Bisibia
>>72903583

It was 4 Buffy in a row, then 4 Angel in a row to catch up. Unfortunately, this is the issue with the guide when it comes to reactions. There will be some months where you don't get an episode of one of the shows. iirc This will happen one more time in the lifespan of the shows.

Laura_Ali
>>72903583

It is the thing with watch orders - although to contrast this big block of Angel, the end of this season will be a big block of Buffy.

C J
>>72904376

Yeah, I was concerned he was watching That Vision Thing before the Buffy season opener, so maybe someone has told him to watch it this way.

Anonymous
>>72904376

I looked it up to double check and this was originally written as episode 2 so I guess it all worked out.

Bisibia
>>72904376

Yea I think like 90% of the reactors watched in this order accidentally lol but it honestly doesn't matter at all except that the episode titles make no sense.

Carmen
>>72903583

Totally fine, we know you're following the watch order :)

Bisibia

Angel remained on the same network. Was not cancelled.

Brent Justice
>>72903583

Thanks, I don't know what the watch order is, I watched all this when it was on TV live, so long ago, so I wouldn't know what the watch order is if watching it like this.

Scarlett Monrow

Very strong 2 opening episodes. And remember that it's Lorne, not "host"! Everyone loves Lorne!

Brent Justice

Yeah, as Scarlett said above, he's been named now, he is Lorne, so you can call him Lorne now. I loved these two episodes, really introduces us to some interesting things, number one is Darla being pregnant, IIRC vampires cannot get pregnant :o As for Fred, I think you'll end up liking her... I'll just say, she's one of my favs. Amy Acker does an amazing performance, she's such a talented actor, Joss has a knack for finding powerful female stars.

Timothy Nikiforovs
>>72903583

for some reason I thought it was going to be 7 Angel eps between The Gift and the S6 premier, not that I mind.

Timothy Nikiforovs

This was a really strong start to S3. Angel as a show really got on it's feet and into top tier material remarkably quick. Most shows take a couple seasons finding their footing. After the initial shuffle with Doyle leaving and Wes coming in, it was just quality going forward. I wasn't too crazy about the opening episode Heartthrob. That other vamp was way too dramatic, and it undermines the fact that he's not supposed to have a soul IMO. It was interesting to see a bit more of Angelus' past and this vampire hunter. For the Mass Effect fans out there, Holtz is played by the same guy who voices Harbinger, so when he started talking about torturing Angelus, I couldn't help but imagine the guy taunting him in a deep booming voice with "this hurts you" and "I know you feel this". What I will say I appreciated was the look into Angel's psychological state right now. At first him helping Fred just comes across as him doing what he does(and there's that), and his amplified affection for the rest of the team might seem to be simply holding on a bit tighter to what he has after such a profound loss as Buffy dying. At the end it all comes together and makes sense though. When he tells Cordelia that it bothers him that he's OK with Buffy's death, it puts his actions in this episode under a different lens I think. I feel like him being able to accept her death made him wonder if he's able to really connect with people at all. It's like, if he can be fine and carry on after losing the one woman he's loved since getting a soul back, would losing Wes or Gunn or even Cordelia even affect him much? I think the thought of that terrifies him, that he's so disconnected from even his friends. I think throughout this episode he's trying with everything he has to MAKE himself feel more for the people around him. He's become jaded and numb to loss and he knows it, but he doesn't want to be. As for Fred, I feel like his insistence on helping her has a secondary motivation. I think he feels guilt over not being there to help Buffy(even though it never really worked out so well when those 2 stuck their noses into each other's shows). He couldn't have done anything to save her of course, short of chucking Dawn in, sacrificing herself was the only way to seal the portal. But if he'd been there to help, maybe he could have stopped Doc or kept Glory busy or something that led to an outcome where the ritual didn't start, averting the need for that sacrifice. While Angel would help Fred regardless, I think there's an element of "I couldn't save Buffy, I have to save her" in there as well. Regarding Fred, clearly they've added her to the cast(somewhat worrying given the route Cordy's visions are taking, but then they could just be growing the cast). A lot of work is left though to actually integrate her into the team. I'm glad they didn't go the route of making her immediately fine after getting back though, as that would be too easy. She has quite a shell to break out of, but it'll be good to see how she contributes to the team when she does. I do like how she stepped up when the time came in the second ep though. If she was genuinely going to shoot Angel, it would have hurt her character a lot. That brings us to That Old Gang of Mine, which I barely remembered which is surprising given how good an episode it is. The timing of this upload is interesting to me since only a few days ago I came across a rather long (6-8 pages) and very disturbing post on Quora about the nature and brutality of lynching in the early 1900s. With that fresh in my mind, the parallels to what Gunn's old crew were doing were rather stark. As I didn't really remember the episode, I was half expecting Gunn to point out that 100 years before they could have been the ones on the other side of what they're doing. Might have been a little on the nose, but the was precedent for that with the zombie cop ep. Like Angel said, the patterns were there to show that a big motivation for their rampage was fun, and as sick as it is to us today, that's what many of the people who participated in lynching considered it to be. Another parallel is that it's not about what they did, but what they are. It might start with a real crime, or even a baseless accusation, but none involved cared about proving guilt. As long as their target sorta/kinda fit the description it was good enough. Even people who weren't onboard with it tended to look the other way, as Gunn does here, and those that try to shield would be victims from the mob often end up targets themselves as Wes and Cordy and Fred do here. What I think is a brilliant piece of writing however is the shades of grey worked into this episode. Life isn't so black and white as to be able to tell who is right and wrong, good and evil at a glance. Some of the demons they killed were as Wesley said "irredeemably evil", and while Caritas might be frequented by a lot of harmless demons just trying to live their lives, it also welcomes demons who snack on babies(doubt anyone was sorry to see him go). Also the fact that the demon who seemed most afraid and harmless ended up being the greatest threat gives justification to their "clean sweep" approach. Statistically, some of the people who got lynched would have been guilty of crimes that some would argue made them deserving of their fate, but mob justice takes a lot of innocent people out along with the guilty, and when the mob starts to enjoy it, that number rises to a majority. It shows why due process is so paramount in any civilized society. The last thing to note is that Gunn's group never seemed psychotic before Gio came along. They seemed like poor kids just trying to survive and keep each other safe in the face of otherworldly threats. Quite admirable really. Then Gio comes along and is able to drag them all over to his way of thinking. Mob mentality is dangerous. One loud and assertive voice comes along and sweeps a few people up in their way of thinking, and before you know it it's a snowball effect dragging everyone else along who's more concerned with being accepted by the group than maintaining their own principles/independent thought. Also Wesley was on fire this episode. Such a huge contrast from that young, clueless watcher to the most mature and level headed member of the team here. I love how he casually threw the fact he got shot helping Rondell back at him, and when he threatens to fire Gunn if he compromises the team again, he's not even mad, he's just letting him know the team has to come first to him. Extremely well handled. Lastly, Angel's line at the end...👌

indaeo

Finally able to watch this one. All I'll say is that the writer, Tim Minear, is a top-tier tv writer for me, and the dialogue in this episode shows it. Any ep with his name on it is a favorite of mine.