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Episode 211 - The Pissreal Lobby (VIDEO) (Patreon)

Published:
2024-05-17 12:39:04
Imported:
2024-06

Content

Sean breaks down John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt's book "The Isreal Lobby" and explains why it's the best explanation he's heard of Israel's influence over the US.

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The Pissreal Lobby | Out For Smokes #211 | Mike Recine, Sean P. McCarthy, Scott Chaplain

Sean breaks down John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt's book "The Isreal Lobby" and explains why it's the best explanation he's heard of Israel's influence over the US. Join our Patreon for a bonus episode every week and access to the entire OFS archive: https://patreon.com/outforsmokes

Comments

Conor Bolger

The thing about the Israel lobby is just that. It’s a lobby, so of course they don’t want anti-Israel media or politicians. Just like the much larger military-industrial, petro-chemical, fossil fuel, big tech and Wall Street/finance (the one that does influence policy) lobbies don’t want politicians or media that oppose them either. There will always be some that slip through but never enough to threaten them (in certain circumstances these lobbies will have individual US citizens killed to protect their interests, or indeed they might have thousands killed in war). It’s also strange to talk of an Israel lobby alone when all these lobbies are interconnected - and have largely the same goals. US foreign policy and Israel lobby policy align because they have a huge overlap of supporters and backers. There is no mention of the history of western-Zionist relations that predates Israel-US relations. Zionism has always seen itself as the bastion of western civilisation against the barbarians in the Middle East from its foundation in the late 19C onwards. Also, specifically around the issue of the US having the ability to use other Arab states to do the job Israel does, it just wouldn’t be possible. At the minute the US supports despotic oligarchies in some states, but these leaders are largely unpopular among the common populace in their countries and do give mass support to US global dominance (Israel obviously does) especially were they required to fight other Arab nations for US interests. The lobby that actually does influence policy is Wall Street and the goals of Zionism align pretty well with Wall Street - zionism needs to keep the Arabs down so Israel can exist and Wall Street need to do it so they can continue to control the oil (both for profit and the strategic importance of being able to hold it over Europe particularly). The book implies that US foreign policy and Wall Street interests would like to do one thing but the ‘Israel lobby’ is so influential that it makes them do things they don’t want and shouldn’t do. But, imo, that’s completely incorrect analysis. The two groups have largely overlapping interests (though of course they will not always and a give and take will happen). This is what happens when you get no bitches. It’s a beautiful sunny evening and instead of spending in on a nice little date with a lady you’re writing 1,000 word comments on Patreon posts

Ross Moore

Pissreal, take that IDF.

Sai Lakewolf
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See my gripe with the book is that miersheimer seems naive about what US imperial policy objectives are. Sean reports that miersheimer thinks a goal is to minimize terrorism directed at the US. History shows that's absolutely not the case. Anti-american terrorism turbocharges the military industrial complex.