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What A Cartoon! - Batman: Caped Crusader "The Killer Inside Me" (Patreon)

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2024-09-02 04:00:09
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A little over 30 years after it premiered, Batman: The Animated Series is back! (Kind of.) Caped Crusader takes the form of a spiritual sequel to WB's hit '90s series, though one closer to Bruce Timm's original pitch. This time around, the cartoonish qualities are replaced with pure noir, making this a more subtle, moody, and adult series. On this episode of What A Cartoon, join us as we explore this newest iteration of Batman and see if it can possibly escape the shadow cast by what came before.

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Christoper Cross

Oh cool, wasn’t expecting coverage of this show so soon

Frank Grimes

this version of bullock surprised me, for the reasons you said. But with talking with some people with more comic knowledge than I, they said bullock has been dirty in the comics, and the more cleaner version we saw in BTAS was more a recent version of his character (at the time)

Chad

Been waiting for this one!

Seth

Hey Bob and Henry, long time listener Seth here chiming in about your episode on Batman Caped Crusader. When you mentioned that Harvey Dent / Two-Face wouldn’t be returning for the next season since he was killed off it got me thinking. It has been established that magic and the supernatural exist within the reality of the show, therefore it is possible that Ra’s al Ghul could appear in the next season; and when you encounter Ra’s there is a chance will also encounter the Lazarus Pit. I think that if the writers wanted to resurrect Two-Face the Lazarus Pit would be the simplest solution. Also I believe that the villian you mentioned is actually Onomatopoeia, a character co-created by Kevin Smith. Onomatopoeia was also the main antagonist on the recent season of Superman and Lois.

Danny Duplex

SPOILERS for this show and the 2022 Batman movie: Speaking of the Matt Reeves connection, I think you are right about him not having much direct involvement in the show. All credit to the creators. However, I do think it is interesting that Bruce and the movie version have similar character arcs. Bruce's arc in the 2022 movie is giving up on vengeance, and it is first signaled with him reconnecting with Alfred. Battinson stops acting rude and takes Alfred's hand, which is the first time he shows vulnerability after his father figure nearly dies. This season's Alfred almost dies in the ghost episode as well, and Bruce is very upset about it. The scene in this show where Bruce stops himself from saying "Pennyworth" and calls Alfred by his name also reminded me of that.

Ben

Great episode guys, but I wanted to bring up one important point about Two-Face’s offer of a coin flip that I didn’t hear called out on the podcast. In the alley, Harv tells the mugging victim that for heads, the assailant will be turned over to the cops. The victim doesn’t know it’s a two-headed coin, and that clemency would be the only outcome. Instead he can’t accept the implied 1-in-2 chance of the mugger getting shot. There’s a lot to dissect there. Was this thwarting of Harvey’s good side something that tipped him over to further his murderous rampage? Also, did this first failure explain why this iteration the character didn’t do more coin flip shtick? I don’t know, but I really enjoyed this character moment.

Chris Dobson

Harvey Dent: I can save Gotham City millions of dollars a year, through 'Jiko Kanri,' the Japanese art of self-management!

Chris Dobson
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Crowd muttering: he has some nerve telling us how to govern the city, he has a monster face!

Dylan (batmanboy11) Freitag

This show was so much better than I was worried about given Abrams' announced involvement & Bruce Timm's later Batman output when not tempered by censoring and Dini's involvement. There are some animation hiccups and I was actively SO glad that Joker wasn't involved at all until that finale cliffhanger that made me audibly groan, but overall it's such a great first 10 episodes that I can't wait for more. Getting this, X-Men 97, and My Adventures for Superman in the same year has been incredible and I don't think we've had such a stellar slate of DC & Marvel cartoons since the brief period of overlap when Brave and the Bold and Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes were both airing new episodes. Come to think of it, I would love to see MAWS get the What a Cartoon treatment in the future!

Jonathon

I was so excited to see that Caped Crusader was going to be an actual period piece, but I don't think the show truly delivered on that promise, unfortunately. The batmobile design is maybe the best example of this where it doesn't really look like any other vehicles in the show. I was hoping for a modified sedan like in the old comics or something, but instead you get this angular, weird looking car that just doesn't mesh well. One thing I also wanted to note is that tonally, this Batman is quite similar to how he's portrayed in the recent film. He has a bit more of the Bruce Wayne keeping up appearances aspect of BtAS, but privately he is very isolated and his relationship to Alfred is similarly strained. I wonder if we'll see a similar character arc in season 2 where Batman does realize that he isn't the actual solution to society's problems.

Pikachu Ferrari

re: Batman killing people: he definitely throws people off of roofs or lets them kill each other in self-defense in the early comics. you guys said he used guns, and he did carry one very early on but the only person he ever shot was a sleeping vampire. the Batplane gets introduced in Batman #1 and it does have a gun, but he uses it to shoot out the engine block of a van (killing the occupants, which included a monster man) not to directly shoot anyone. most of Batman's kills are like the guys who is DEFINITELY dead after Batman throws him headfirst into a ship's hull and lets him drown. (Batman v Superman follows these rules as well and it's one of only two Batman movies pre-The Batman where he doesn't kill a helpless or unaware victim.)

Joe Hodgson

I am here to echo the complaints about the animation. I knew the show would not, could not, look as good as BTAS, but WB animation still has a pretty solid pedigree. The current Looney Tunes and Animaniacs shows probably look as good as they can in this day and age and to see the spiritual successor to BTAS come up woefully short of that was pretty disappointing. I think the worst may just be the walk animations. There are a few long shots where the character is in full frame walking like a late 90s Resident Evil character. There's also a real lack of shadows in some shots and that very first interrogation scene that leads off the series was shockingly devoid of presence. All that said, I did get some enjoyment out of the series. I really liked the new take on Penguin, Harley, and Montoya and there is a clear vision on display that is at least different from its predecessors. I can't join you in liking the Scooby Doo villain though, and I felt not every choice was the right one. The Batman character was pretty boring throughout the season and the robotic approach wasn't working for me. I think it's purposeful, he's trying to come across as detached, and I get the impression that this isn't supposed to be a Batman who knows what he's doing. Some emotion was allowed to creep in during the end of the season and I want to see more of that going forward. I think I also quite literally rolled my eyes at the Joker tease because it's just been done too much that it almost feels like parody. Hopefully, there is no abrupt pulling of the plug on Season Two and that we get to see where the show goes from here. Oh, and I need to talk to a real lawyer to find out what the odds are that a public defender would work in the same city their father is the police commissioner. I think if I were in trouble with the law and in need of an attorney I would be incredibly skeptical of having the commissioner's kid as my representative.

David Thomson

Great episode. In regards to the scheduling of What a Cartoon, would it be possible to not do two new serialised shows back to back. This is probably just a me problem and you're free to cover whatever shows you like but I'm not the most up-to-date person when it comes to shows, as most new show just get added to the watch list and I'll get to them when I can (I've only just got through Clone Wars/Rebels and am halfway through Avatar/Korra). I do really enjoy What a Cartoon and like to listen to it as soon as it comes out. With X-Men coving the first episode, I watched that and then listened your discussion. I then wanted to watch all 10 episodes of the series but nowadays that will take me about a month. I was just finishing up X-Men when you announced you'd be covering Batman but it would be the 9th episode, so I started watching through them and have just now finished the season and listened to your episode. Like I said, this is probably a me problem but it would have preferred it if it was X-Men > random Nicktoon/Cartoon Cartoon episodic show > Batman. I've also realisation that I'm art blind. Listening you you guys and some other comic podcasts, I don't think I can tell the difference between good and bad art. I watched Batman and thought it looked great but I when I think back to the show I can only really remember it in the dialog and story and not the art. The same thing happens to me with comic books, as I can remember stories but not exact panels like some people seem to. Unless the cartoon I'm watching is Worker & Parasite levels of bad, I can't seem to tell the difference between what is lauded as great and what is criticised as bad. This is probably another me problem but it's kind of funny to come to this realisation after 42 years. Also, in regards to comic podcasts, has Henry ever considered reiving his comic podcast, as Bob and Nina have the new "Talking Japanese" podcast, maybe Henry and his husband could do a podcast together. It wouldn't have to be a comic podcast but I do think it's interesting when Henry talks about his husband having the age gap of an elder millennial and a younger millennial, so maybe they could do podcast on different things they have nostalgia on, that the age gap means one might have missed.