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Traffic and a whole lot of nothing (Patreon)

Published:
2021-07-21 14:58:22
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2023-06

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Case Blue continues to unfold this week, with the Germans hoping to seize the oil producing regions of the USSR. They certainly take a lot of territory, but their objectives aren't really being met. The Soviets are just packing up and leaving, meaning their forces remain intact and all the Germans get for their fuel and time is a whole lot of empty flat land. This is made even worse by the fact that the vast expanse of territory is overextending the German lines of communication.

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152 - Wehrmacht Conquers 250 Miles of Nothing - WW2 - July 24, 1942

The Soviets keep withdrawing from the advancing Axis forces, and Hitler keeps issuing contrary orders to try and stop that, with the results that logistics are getting screwed up and the mobile units are bogged down in huge traffic jams. The Allies have decided not to open a second front in Europe in 1942, but do choose another spot to begin the long counter offensive. Join us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/TimeGhostHistory Or join the TimeGhost Army directly at: https://timeghost.tv/signup/ Check out our TimeGhost History YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/timeghost Between 2 Wars: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLrG5J-K5AYAU1R-HeWSfY2D1jy_sEssNG Follow WW2 Day by Day on Instagram: @ww2_day_by_day Follow TimeGhost History on Instagram: @timeghosthistory Like us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/TimeGhostHistory/ Hosted by: Indy Neidell Director: Astrid Deinhard Producers: Astrid Deinhard and Spartacus Olsson Executive Producers: Astrid Deinhard, Indy Neidell, Spartacus Olsson, Bodo Rittenauer Creative Director: Wieke Kapteijns Creative Producer: Maria Kyhle Written by: Indy Neidell Research by: Indy Neidell Edited by: Lucas Aimó Map animations by: Daniel Weiss Map research by: Markus Linke Sound design by: Marek Kamiński Colorizations by: Mikolaj Uchman, Lucas Aimó, FDR Presidential Library and Museum Source literature list: The Second World War - John Keegan The Death of the Wehrmacht - Robert Citino A World at Arms - Gerhard Weinberg The Road to Stalingrad - John Erickson Archive footage: Screenocean/Reuters - https://www.screenocean.com Image sources: Bundesarchive Library of Congress NFSA Soundtracks from Epidemic Sound: Dark Beginning - Johan Hynynen I Am Unbreakable - Niklas Johansson Not Safe Yet - Gunnar Johnsen Break Free - Fabien Tell Warning Signal - Max Anson The Proving Grounds - Dragon Tamer Trapped in a Maze - Philip Ayers Weapon of Choice - Fabien Tell A TimeGhost chronological documentary produced by OnLion Entertainment GmbH.

Comments

Anonymous

Churchill was afraid of a WE amphibious landing too early. The WWI fiasco in in Turkey haunted him until the end of his days.

Anonymous

At 4:36, "...hoses sealed up into firing points." I believe that hoses should be houses.

Anonymous

"Not fair?" Really?

Anonymous
>>64198206

Even the very soil of the Motherland rose against the invaders, stifling them with its vastness...

Michael Regan

Even if the Wehrmacht had reached Baku and the other petroleum fields, exactly how were the POL products ( petroleum, oil, lubricants) going to be usefully moved from the Caucasus to Germany and Western Europe? Besides partisan activities, building and maintaining pipelineswould be large tasks.

Anonymous

Glad to see that the Kokoda trail is mentioned, Japans first land defeat of the war.

Anonymous

I asked a Kokoda veteran about that movie. His exact response was “I’ve seen less bull$hit on farms”

ghostman

I get the feeling Stalingrad is going to be important in the future.

Anonymous

16:25 - Me 262 jets do not sound like a Cessna guys...sorry, but that was just ridiculously funny.

Anonymous
>>64225013

At the very least the Germans could have sabotaged oil production in the Caucasus, which would have crippled the USSR economy and war effort. A large percentage of Soviet oil came from the Caucasus.

Anonymous
>>64230988

Have you looked up Third Changsha? The Chinese defeated Japan on land in December of 1941.

Anonymous

I heard you mention the New Zealander attacks on El Ruweisat Ridge in this episode. It might be worth observing that those attacks were where Capt. Charles Upham earned his second VC of the war. Upham was the only person awarded two VCs in WW2, which makes his story noteworthy. He was also taken prisoner after the attack, as an added bit of irony.

Anonymous

I was reading Stranger to myself by Willy P. Reese and he talks about Cossacks while fighting in Russia. Could you talk about Cossacks in out of the fox whole

Anonymous

Hitler stunned his commanders on the ground by turning away from Moscow to the South to Stalingrad and the Caucasus. This was directly opposed to battle theory by Clausewitz in which a concentration of forces is required to chase down and defeat the enemy forces. Hitler wasn’t interested in this — which saved Moscow. Very interesting turn of events.

Anonymous
>>64225013

Pipelines weren't a common method of moving petroleum back in the day. Most fuels were moved by rail and/or by tankers and barges. So if the Germans were thinking of moving oil products from the Caspian Sea it would most likely have been via the the Baku-Tiblisi-Poti railway line and then by tanker from Poti for refining and distribution. The Germans were able to occupy Maykop, an oil-producing region north of the Caucasus, in 1942 but Soviet engineers blew-up or torched most of the oil infrastructure, so the Germans were never able to get much oil for their own needs. In that case there was an oil pipeline (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grozny%E2%80%93Tuapse_oil_pipeline) to Tuapse on the Black Sea.

Anonymous

I know the Germans knowledge of the size and scale of Soviet forces was at times quite inaccurate, but how did they even know anything at all about how big the Soviet forces where and where they were concentrated? Overflights by the Luftwaffe, I'm sure, but what was their aerial surveillance capacity like? This is a fascinating subject to me, as my professional background in mapping comes from a long line of aerial photo reconnaissance from Allied mapping camera technology, which developed the field of photogrammetric mapping. In a sense, I work in a field that was originally Top Secret spy stuff.

Anonymous
>>64225013

IIRC it would have taken almost two years to get it running to capacity.