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Frieren: Beyond Journey's End 1x10: "A Powerful Mage" // Reaction and Discussion (Patreon)

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Frieren: Beyond Journey's End 1x10: "A Powerful Mage" // Reaction and Discussion

00:00 Intro 02:17 Reaction to Show 19:10 Discussion

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2024-01-21 01:38:01 yessssssssssssssss. the reason the mana supression works so well because frieren is the equivalent of a billionaire who lives on the street and eats from garbage cans to the demons. Its just inconcieveble to them someone would willingly do that. frieren really is the boogyman for demons. i love this episode so much. i love how shes generally so goofy and carefree 99.9999% of the time but shes absolutely ruthless and cold when it comes to killing demons.
2024-01-21 01:09:28 yessssssssssssssss. the reason the mana supression works so well is because frieren is the equivalent of a billionaire who lives on the street and eats from garbage cans to the demons. Its just inconcieveble to them someone would willingly do that. frieren really is the boogyman for demons. i love this episode so much. i love how shes generally so goofy and carefree 99.9999% of the time but shes absolutely ruthless and cold when it comes to killing demons. as for how long an elf could live if they are biologically immortal, i read somewhere about someone calculating the maximum average life span of humans if death from aging wasnt a factor(it might have included not getting sick either). they figured that 9000 years was the average maximum that humans could live before all those 1 in a millon chance things would become almost guaranteed mathematically to kill you.

yessssssssssssssss. the reason the mana supression works so well is because frieren is the equivalent of a billionaire who lives on the street and eats from garbage cans to the demons. Its just inconcieveble to them someone would willingly do that. frieren really is the boogyman for demons. i love this episode so much. i love how shes generally so goofy and carefree 99.9999% of the time but shes absolutely ruthless and cold when it comes to killing demons. as for how long an elf could live if they are biologically immortal, i read somewhere about someone calculating the maximum average life span of humans if death from aging wasnt a factor(it might have included not getting sick either). they figured that 9000 years was the average maximum that humans could live before all those 1 in a millon chance things would become almost guaranteed mathematically to kill you.

Ecodude
>>127520862

It puts her "Sousou no Frieren" title into perspertive lol. The fact that she is known with such a title among demons despite the fact that she is always supressing her mana.

Daniel

The score for this is something special. It already gets a lot of praise but I always really like seeing other people really enjoy it. Evan Call is a treasure. There's a similar feel to a lot of his music for Frieren as there is for his score for Violet Evergarden, but the latter has less whimsy than the one for this fantasy setting.

Justin_IVIX

Careful Frieren, that kind of talk can get you banned

L.C.

Frieren was on xbox COD too much. She really pulled the "kill yourself" card

js

It seems to me based on first episode that Fern suppresses mana to some degree without even doing it intentionally. Based on Flamme's terminology of "suppress your mana to 1/5th", it's possible that the complexity of suppressing it depends on how many times smaller you make it look. This would also explain why Fern was basically invisible in episode 1, but has a respectable pillar now in episode 10 - she's naturally suppressing it at the same ratio as before, but since her total mana has grown, her natural state is no longer "invisible". Based on episode 8 she can still make herself seem nearly "invisible", but that probably takes additional effort. But it's entirely possible that unlike Frieren, she actually rarely suppresses it intentionally, as her natural suppression is already good enough to fool demons about her power.

Russell Gambardella

I loved Anna's point of how Lugner's line about despising geniuses is so ironic. "They lack the beauty of accumulated effort," yet Frieren is the ultimate example of doing such. Plus, she was working on such a fundamental and basic aspect of magic that any mage could improve (albeit at different rates, as talent is a factor), not something exclusive to geniuses. I also agree with Ben's opinion on this writing being his favorite depiction of demons. So much care and thought was put into their nature, it's very refreshing. Many other shows tend to write toward one of the extremes of either humanizing demons or making them absolutely malicious and evil, which assumes they understand human morals. But here we gain so much insight into how their minds work; they are wild beasts that form the barest of connections with humankind in order to deceive them as a means to hunt. They are not necessarily malicious or evil as they are incapable of understanding almost all human values/morals/society (the only exception we've seen is they all have immense pride in their magic). For example, consider the demon girl who killed one of the villager's daughter and was still taken in by the village. She senses the daily bloodlust of the mother who lost her daughter and tries to solve this potential threat by killing the village chief and offering his daughter as a "replacement" daughter for the mother. A genuine attempt at a compromise - not out of kindness, nor out of malice, purely for survival/eliminating a threat. They really are just like many wild animals in our world who hunt prey, which we wouldn't consider evil, and just so happen to have developed the ability to speak the human language as a means to hunt. However, they surely are dangerous and must always be ruthlessly treated as a threat as Frieren has demonstrated. I also really liked Flamme's example of comparing wealth and status for humans to mana for demons, such a simple yet brilliant example. This episode also puts into perspective why Frieren is seemingly so indifferent and cold in the beginning of the story. It's not just that her perception of time being different from humans, nor is it that she's become desensitized to death as if she's outlived many companions and gotten used to it; aside from Flamme, she spends nearly a thousand years in obscurity without forming any other relationships with humans. Of course she wouldn't truly understand and appreciate her 10 year journey with her party right away. There's actually this iconic panel in the manga which I'm shocked they omitted and changed in episode 1 (literally my only complaint about the anime, as it's gone above and beyond everywhere else) where it's so clear when her regret and sadness hit her like a truck. In the anime during Himmel's funeral, a woman inside the church comments about how cold Frieren is as she hasn't looked sad once yet. It shows her mouth opening and hides the rest of her face, and the first time we see her shed tears is outside when Himmel is being buried. In the manga, the iconic panel happens right after that woman's comment in the church. I'll try and post it as a comment to this and would appreciate if a mod could show them if they happen to read this. Such an incredibly put together episode. The music, the flashbacks and insights, the parallel of Flamme discovering Frieren and Himmel meeting her ("just a feeling"), so much more, and of course the most badass and cold "kill yourself" in history. Thanks again for getting this out so quickly despite losing power in the AutoCave (lol)!

Jake Thompson

You guys might have missed it, but in episode 7 while Frieren is in jail talking to Fern and Stark, she mentions that Flamme is the one who categorized all monsters capable of speech as "demons."

Daniel Borrego
>>127532987

i think the anime did it much better. it conveys frierens feelings more and her disconnect

Russell Gambardella
>>127532987

I think the anime did a good job. I personally like the manga image more as I perceive a sense of surprise and shock. Tears streaming down, yet not sobbing; I feel as if she's remembering something so primal she nearly forgot among all those years of isolation - the ability to feel such powerful sadness (or any deep emotion). It's like she's almost in disbelief of herself for nearly forgetting as she rediscovers/relearns this feeling, but that's just my head canon. : )

Daniel Borrego
>>127532987

perhaps its not that elves dont have strong emotions is more that frieren was emotionally stunted and damaged by basically being isolated for most of her life. she really does start to open up in this series.