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OREGAIRU S2EP2 REACTION [early access] (Patreon)

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2023-03-22 23:18:46
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i thought i filmed an outro but it's nowhere to be found! i apologize D: 

so here are my thoughts this episode: 

- that confession scene made me so sad - i completely understand yukino's feelings about hachiman's actions. i think there's a sense of helplessness that yukino and yui feel, in that no matter what they do they can't help hachiman. both yukino and yui have grown in their own ways, and hachiman has stayed the same. hachiman and ebina are very similar in that way which they recognized at the end of the episode.

- i really thought they were going to make ebina gay because of the way they explained she rejected every guy + her blushing at saki + her super intense interest in BL LOL (i also think i missed the line last episode where she mentioned she didn't want things to change). but it makes so much sense that her (along with hayama and other friends) would want to keep their friend group the same. it seems like a very teenager thing to not want things to change if they're going good, especially if they're towards the end of their high school career where things are going to change drastically soon (graduation, college, etc.) it's frustrating to see but hopefully she'll eventually grow. 

- i'm still confused about hachiman's final line. the biggest liar is himself??? i'm not sure if they're going to address that in later episodes but i can't figure out why he said that. 

overall, i'm really enjoying this season so far. it feels much more in depth than season 1! 

Comments

Saiff Mohammad

I think you are spot on for both Hayama’s friend group as well as the Hachiman’s. Yumiko and Hayama have the say idea that if Kakeru and confesses to Ebina it will likely end in a rejection and lead to a strife and distance between Kakeru and Ebina, ultimately leading to awkward group activities and distance in the group. At its core Hayama’s group is very superficial. When you look at this it is a very different approach to relationship in adolescence when you compare it to Horimiya where Toru confessed but was able to move on and accept the reality that Hori likes Miyamura and not him. It shows the different levels of maturity and train of thought that some of these characters might have. As for Yui and Yukino’s feelings and thoughts you are spot on again in that they feel a great degree of frustration and pain. Seeing someone close to them whom they respect and ‘love’ keeping getting hurt by others only so that those others feel better. It is always Hachiman who gets hurt, in this case being outright rejected knowing all the friends are watching. Whilst it might’ve not meant much to the Hayama and friends to Hachiman and group and even Ebina it meant a lot. Hachiman is generally self-destructive in his approach to help people. But this time it might’ve been a bit more, in that he ‘robbed’ Kakeru of his ‘rejection’. Whilst some may say it nothing, but experiencing rejection is a life changing experience and goes on to build one’s character and growth. This is where Yukino disagrees, she believes in growth and change, and for not to ‘fix’ the problems for others and letting them work it out themselves, which in its own manner can be harmful too but is a very different yet similar approach to Hachiman. Hachiman saying he’s a liar: It is that Hachiman with his subtle changes has conformed to the idea of ‘comfort clique’ which he hated at the beginning. The idea of ‘fake friendships’ to maintain the idea of you having friends and people who care about each other. He hates when other lie, make excuses, upbringing of facades to maintain a fake atmosphere in the name of “youth”. Ebina and Hachiman are alike in the sense they have a strong self-identity and uniqueness which they both use as an excuse to not grow…. And mask this true by playing into the ‘character’s persona’ they have created which has now become a mask and a lie.

Oscar Santos

This episode is one of my favorites it shows a lot of different interactions and conflict between character. However, one of my favorite parts of this episode is how it show us that Hayama and Hikki are really similar and at the same time diferent; Hayama, similar to Hachiman, doesnt want thing to change and similar to Ebina knows that is not correct but still tries his best to keep things the same. It always disturbs me the way that he mention how "he told Tobe multiple time to give up" its selfish, as Hachiman points out, since he prefers that his friend never shows his feeling to the group breaking apart. In addition to that at the end is reveal that he already talked to Ebina about it, in other words they both were ploting to prevent Tobe confession and they use Hachiman to do it and thats why he feels so guilty at the end.

AndreasZ

Hatchiman called himself the biggest liar because as you saw this episode he keeps going against what he says. In his conversation with Hayato he called him selfish for wanting to keep things the same and that their relationships were shallow if that's all it took to tear them apart, yet he intervened to stop Tobe from being directly rejected and to spare Hina having to do it herself thus not straining their group and essentially prolonging the same thing he was so against before. Hatchiman is fully aware of this as when he tries to explain his action to Yui he immediately recognizes it's a lie.

An Q.
>>104681766

Yeah, at the end of S1 Hayato said to Hachiman: "Why is that the only way you know how to handle things?", and now he has to rely on Hachiman to use that method again

Jason

Kitty-chan's appearance is serotonin i need

Lukas

There is a few really good Video essays that you could watch after you finished the show, maybe in a stream or something. Under Semblance of Sanity's reaction to the show there was a guy you gave in depth and spoiler free (mostly, there might have been some minor things in there) explanations of the things that happened with context from the LN. They very obviously have watched/read the whole thing multiple times and know a lot about the story so i'm tempted to copy and post them either in the comments once the reactions get uploaded onto youtube or even here (with credit obviously) if anyone would be interested in it.

Benjamin Sones

"She was having a fun time and he was hanging onto Hayama"... I think you mean "She was having a fun time BECAUSE he was hanging onto Hayama." Ebina cracks me up.

Dennis

I think the word people are looking for when it comes to hachiman's method is self-sacrificing. Self-sacrificing can always be justified a noble, and is thus a popular go to method when you are self-destructive. However, in reality it is just a veil for self-sabotage.