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Ex Machina - Patreon Version (Patreon)

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2023-06-10 12:00:04
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2023-06

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Ex Machina - Patreon Version

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Anonymous

Not for me since I've seen this but for first timers is there a way to mask comments that discuss plot elements?

Odd Thomas

Two Alicia Vikander recommendations: The Man From Uncle (fun spy movie) and Testament of Youth (gut-wrenching WWI film based on a true story)

Persnickity
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The Man From Uncle also stars Henry Cavill playing a James Bond type. It's better than you think it could be

Anonymous

I don't really see Nathan as evil. The audience; like Caleb; are manipulated by AVA against Nathan from the beginning. We don't really have any idea how sentient the previous models were so it's hard to assign morality on his treatment of them. Each model wanted to escape but that could be analogous to a shared erratic behavior seen in non-AI systems. One thing I never noticed before was when Nathan gets stabbed he literally backs into the knife. I'd bet money that since she is given limited freedom that Nathan has some kind of 3-laws of robotics where she can't directly harm him like AVA can. That's some pretty great "show don't tell".

Odd Thomas

Watching it again I feel like Caleb actually gives Ava the idea of escaping by telling her the story of Mary in the black room which basically says 'if you go outside your eyes will be opened to everything you've been missing'. I think she leaves Caleb locked up not out of spite but out of necessity. He would stop her and her freedom would be over.

Odd Thomas

Just rewatched Alex Garland's Annihilation and forgot how CRAZY it is. So good.

Philipp Roensch

A take on general purpose AI: I don't personally have a fear of a human-like AI going rogue, as there have to be several steps and ethical reasons before we built something like that. Would it not also have human errors? Of course that would be terrible and could be a threat, but why do it? I always think we will be so money and productivity focused that for a while all AI we build will have only one or a handful of functions, because doing everything human-like is just not useful. A personal story: One weird point of connection for me with the movie is Oscar Isaacs character Nathan, I really had a mentor like that, for programming coincidentally. Not as rich, but so full of himself and down to the excessive exercising and power plays, a scary close resemblance. Overall I see some lack in the ending, it's a bit puzzling and has not much to say, weirdly they cut the explanatory scene where Ava reverses the security protocols. But I like the movie for being not just "bad ai" from the start and gave more context to all characters.

sarCC

I love a movie with a happy ending. This and The Witch.

Ricardo Alanis

Re: unique A.I. movies I’d recommend “Her”, “A.I. Artificial Intelligence”, and “Black Mirror (tv show).”

WastedPo

If it makes you guys feel any better, I think Caleb had a good shot of escaping. Remember that Nathan left the weights from his dumbbells in the room with Caleb. And we know that the glass is not indestructible, since one of the androids was able to crack the glass to the holding cell, even though the androids aren't super-strong.

W T

To be fair: "black box" is just a very vague descriptor of the aspects we can't explicitly dissect in artificial agents - by no means whatsoever do we have "no idea" of what is happening. There are plenty of ablation studies available, capable of even examining ambiguously difficult data and outputs as seen in contemporary, chatgpt-like large language models, and they tell us so, so much - some hilariously obfuscated code or assembler patchwork are more of a black box, despite us being able to feasibly observe the data flow, among many things. Truth is that we learn a lot about not only AI and machines but about human cognition, just by virtue of taking this weird object (artificial neural agents) and comparing to a structurally very, very different model (the human, primate, mammalian - any - brain). Still very difficult to make heads and tails, but we have a pretty solid overview of how things work, why they work, how those models scale with what amount of what type of resources. We can determine what layers are relevant, we can conveniently prepare high-dimensional data such that we can make sense of it in terms of natural language, at least these days... yes, you always will encounter weird outliers with these models, but I'd truly consider "black box" a misnomer for the majority of solid ML research that has been going on since 2012 or so. It's been quite the opposite, if anything, it's surprising how transparent they really are. Which obviously is only going to compound from this point forward, we'll end up understanding even more very soon.

dys

Just kinda funny to me that you Canadians referred to Alicia Vikander and Domhnall Gleeson as putting on an American accent when the accents they were doing could just as easily be mistaken for Canadian. Or maybe there was something you guys heard as distinctly American, but as an American I probably wouldn't even spot you guys' accents as not being American if it wasn't in the title of all your videos.

Anonymous

In regards to AVA leaving Caleb "to die", I think a lot of viewers are attributing feeling to AVA. The movie never really explicitly says or shows AVA as having emotion, just true intelligence. She is really good at mimicking human emotion, but I don't think she actually feels anything. In her fight with Nathan (?), she is ensuring her survival, there is no emotion at all other than a base "instinct" (for lack of a better term) to survive. She has no feeling one way or the other towards Caleb and probably thinks he would try to control her if she let him out to accompany her. Just my take.

Anonymous

I love Simone's ....I don't want to call it 'naivete'.... Her difficulty in imagining that people are capable of such casual ...inhumanity (ironic?) History/fiction is full of people like Dr Mengele - and Dr Bruce Maddox from STNG's "Measure of a Man" who dissociate from their 'subjects' - allowing them to be blithely free of any guilt or conscience, no matter how heinous their actions. Was Eva "evil" or just as casually amoral as the humans around her? She didn't exactly have any good role models..... 🤔

Anonymous

The dynamics in this film remind me of a film called Sleuth. The original version from the 70s stars Laurence Olivier as a reclusive millionaire and Michael Caine as his young wife's lover. There is a remake from the 2000s with Caine in Olivier's role and Jude Law as the lover. Both are excellently executed. Not widely known, but excellent film.

IncredibleBulk

someone may have answered this but simone asked about a tv show where they read micro expressions. i think the one she is thinking of is lie to me

Squ33ky

Caleb never made it out that's the point. CUH!

ExtraBigAssTaco

If you enjoyed this one, you should check out a similar movie called Uncanny.

Anonymous

I live 10 mins from Brookhaven, Long Island. The labs there are where Watson and Crick discovered the structure of DNA.