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Red (King Crimson) - Extended Play Lounge (Episode 11) (Patreon)

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2022-01-03 18:13:44
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2023-06

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For our first Extended Play Lounge Episode of 2022, we're listening to Red by King Crimson. This album won the poll, and I was fascinated by the heaviness and the expert musicianship that exudes from this classic album. Come along for the ride! 

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King Crimson (Red) - Extended Play Lounge - Episode 11

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Comments

George Davis-Stewart
>>77797491

Conversely, KC is very much an improvising band for whom there may be hit and miss, but just padding out an album was not the name of their game.

George Davis-Stewart

The surprise jingle at the end of Red and Starless is the DGM logo ident, so not part of the album. A marvellous set of musics.

Tom (the soggy one)

My buddy and I referred to Providence (and Fracture, etc.) as the KC 'noodling' pieces. Pretty much one on every album, usually filler for not having quite enough formal recordings for a full album.

Tom (the soggy one)

Also, the band wasn't speaking to each other (or the recently fired David Cross) during production, so an extended filler was likely necessary. The cover photo is actually three separate photos assembled to look like one.

Tom (the soggy one)

OK, one more and I'll stop- the other 'Red' reference was the input needles on a mixing board going into the red, as pictured on the back cover.

Steve Hartke

How this album eluded me for so long, I have no idea. Just recently purchased and it is my fave KC now. Always loved Starless and Bible Black, and don’t know why I never moved on to this one. Bruford’s drumming is phenomenal, and never heard Wetton’s bass sound so fierce…. Looking forward to seeing Doug’s reaction!!

Anonymous

The song Providence is actually 100 % improvized. That's a live recording from Providence, RI done before David Cross had left the band.

Wolverale12

Easily my favorite album from them and one more red nightmare is my favorite song by them. :)

Robert Thornton

This might be my favorite King Crimson album.

Ralph Darvill

A first listen to this album for me, although I am very familiar with "Starless", which is heartbreakingly melancholy and beautiful at the same time. Ive aleays found them to be a little "far beyond" musically...and shoed away from looking too deeply into their back catalogue. I saw them live a few years back with the amazing 3 drummer set up, and I am of casual acquaintance with Jakko Jakszyk, who was the local musician of legend growing up in Watford, widely accepted as the most talented guy in the musical community back then. It's a good album, the improv bit left me a bit cold bit the rest is really cool. A footnote: Jakszyk was married to Amanda Giles, daughter of Michael Giles, one of KC'S founder members. There's a really interesting version of "Starless" by the English folk duo The Unthanks, which you can listen to here: https://youtu.be/MTEqXH9dB2g?si=crsyQ7jgNE2Mmvld

Frits van Voorst

Great to see your appreciation of Red. A dark but great album. King Crimson and Yes are my all-time favorite bands and I really enjoy your reactions to their music. As stated by others: band-improvisations are a key element in KC's music. I don't know all of them, but to me two of them which you haven't heard so far stand out: Trio, on Starless and Bible Black and Asbury Park, on USA, a great live album from the Wetton/Bruford era. Btw, USA and Yessongs are my two favorite live albums. If you want to discover more of King Crimson, my route would be Discipline, THRAK and The Power To Believe. With those albums you can cover the main steps in their musical developement. Thereafter you could pick any album they released inbetween.

Paul Hoyle

Hi Doug...great album to do and was an even pick from me with Discipline....by the way, the little ditty at the end you referred to twice is not by the band...having heard the album many, many times, it is not part of the album. Looking forward to your review of Discipline as a completely different sound and vibe, yet still typically unique King Crimson (with Bill Bruford & Robert Fripp the only ones returning after Red).

MrWondrous David Beckwith

According to Mr. Fripp, King Crimson was born on January 13, which also happens to be my own birthday, but also the birthday of Georges Gurdjieff, who was, in some ways, Fripp's mentor. It is also the day James Joyce and my own beloved father died. Quite by synchronicity, Gurdjieff and Joyce joined my father as major influences in my own life, so I notice 1/13s. On 1/3 at 1:13 you posted this video. Just sayin'. Another commenter had also mentioned 13 and the time sig of a song.

MrWondrous David Beckwith

People used to complain that KC was always so dark, like Kansas City even, and so to fix matters Fripp started KC & the Sunshine Band, and then played only happy bubblegum music for kids on the upslope of the Bell Curve. Granted this is only a theory I'm currently entertaining. That said...thanks for the insightful comments, most of which I had not considered in the many decades of enjoying this record. Fellow fans had insightful comments too, since only smart people listen to King Crimson.

Rick Morse
>>75046241

That's hilarious, David ... I'm so very glad that it's not true. KC is short for their founder's name Harry Casey, i.e., KC. I had to look it up as a pre-emptive strike against possible nightmares.

MrWondrous David Beckwith
>>75046241

I couldn't constrain myself. I kept seeing KC pop up in the comments, and I used to mock that band because it was so brainless and infantile. So to entertain the notion that the two were one struck me as humorous. No need for nightmares. :)

Michael Hernandez

Doug, I entered into a Conversation, an hour ago with Friend, Professional Violinist Charles Townsend (Sun Ra...), to that Arc, Robert Fripp had been on - that of Despair (--Thematically), leading up to Red. I think you will treasure the following Interview to that "Arc", as well as to aspects of Note, you noted, witnessed, in reviewing 'Red', and to my earlier here suggestion that you might want to cover the two previous King Crimson Albums prior to Red's Manifestation. Bon Voyage Brother, its a very good Reading. The Scholar and Argonaut within you will enjoy the Following - https://www.elephant-talk.com/wiki/Interview_with_Robert_Fripp_by_Stephe_Pritchard_and_Thos._Brooman_for_Recorder_Three

Edward Malthouse

Bruford just stated a YouTube channel a few days ago with a lot of treasures. One video that was very good was a lecture that he gave to the University of Edinbugh on the topic creativity: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FSQlbVD_tU

Chris Ramsbottom
>>75045958

How interesting! January 13th is my husband's birthday too! He's more of a Camel/Genesis/Yes/Floyd fan, I include Crimson in my pantheon of prog bands but he doesn't sadly.

Chris Ramsbottom

That note on Starless, by the way, where you correctly say he's playing the same note on two adjacent strings and which has been noted above that it's a slightly bent string, it is down a microtone and I was wondering how that would be notated.

Anonymous

Providence is an improvisation that was recorded in Providence, Rhode Island. Crimson had a habit of never having enough new material for their studio albums. For Starless and Bible Black and Red they took some live improvisations removed the live audience an popped it on the album. Fracture from Starless and Bible Black is also a live recording but is not an improv.