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Panel 1: It checks out because now he knows an appreciative succubus.

It's going to vary from fantasy-verse to fantasy-verse, but putting someone under a geas to "Deliver this to the king" versus "See that the king receives this"  may or may not be the same thing.  In the Grrl-verse, magically compelling particular behaviors has roughly the same rules as dealing with a grumpy genie. Wishing to "make me one with everything" is far more likely to result in a violent explosion than achieving enlightenment.

There are a few ways around this. One is to make the underpinnings of the spell far more complex. A "spirit of the law" clause, as it were, but as some people pointed out last page, even the most thoroughly worded "Don't kill me" command doesn't prevent two succubuses from Strangers on a Train-ing the others' master.

Another way is to make the subject want to obey. This presents an escalating challenge the more of a dick you are to them, and again, writing a spell to make them find any sort of mistreatment acceptable or even deserved quickly becomes as challenging as airtight obedience spells. It's easier to just train them from the get-go that they've done something to deserve their fate, like telling them that in a previous life they were a witch that caused plagues or a demon footsoldier that ate babies or whatever.

So this is the solution they came up with. Tie the succubus's life to her master and hope she doesn't hate you so much that she accepts her own demise as a reasonable price to pay. And as Dabbler pointed out, there are considerable benefits to the bond, mostly for the master, and there's more stuff that she didn't get a chance to get into, like hooks in the bond to make it easy for the arch-mage to also make the succubus his familiar, which grants sense-sharing and other bonuses.

So... not to completely spoil any notable story events I have planned for page 1000, I was wondering what you guys think Sydney's bling might look like once she's officially graduated to private. I know most privates aren't going to have a massive ribbon rack (is that what it's called?) but most boots don't get to participate in the first official action of a new branch of the military, be a key player in the defeat of Vehemence, fight mannequin bots while defending foreign (The Twilight Council's legal status is complicated) dignitaries, get stranded in space, rescue refugees, return to Earth, fight alien mercenaries. You know, stuff like that.

Really, I just need an idea of how many ribbons she might have accrued so her uniform doesn't look like she stole it off a master sergeant or something. There was also a page a long way back where someone brought up the idea of a medals, and I've no idea where that discussion is buried. I think non-military people like myself are kind of out of the loop when it comes to medals, because the only time we hear about them (short of having an enlisted family member or friend) is when the really big ones get handed out, so I really couldn't guess if anything she's done is worth a bronze cross or an orange star? No, wait, that's a Lucky Charm.

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Magraal

I'd say she probably gets a ribbon for each time she's saved a teammate's life at least, right?

Thomas Dorner

Nice femdempentaheart. :-)

Czarzhan

If there's a medal/ribbon for piloting solo, then there should be one for first solo interstellar jump.

Justaguy

There's also that ribbon rack that they have that shows the medals without actually HAVING the medals on the jacket.

Justaguy

Is there a specific"dropped an anvil" medal?

Anonymous

Seems to me that you could give a First Law of Robotics type order that would prevent the Strangers on a Train action.

Thisguy

Yeah, you wonder how ancient magic law works with modern law, especially when ancient magic law tends to be enforced rather directly and fatally.

Czarzhan

Or how about a marriage vow situation where two succubi own each other?

Anonymous

So, when I was the US Air Force equivalent of a private, I had 2 ribbons graduating basic training. If I'd managed to hit 3 more targets, I'd have had a 3rd, the marksmanship medal. Some ribbons deal with certain ongoing missions as a whole. For example, pretty soon I got the National Defense Service Ribbon, which you would receive if you were in active service during certain dates (https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.usamm.com/a/s/products/national-defense-service-medal-ribbon). Assuming you haven't already, Google a service's ribbon chart, and it can atleast give you a basic idea. Also, the order on the chart is, iirc, the order it would show on the ribbon rack.

Rhadan

I love panel 4.

MiddKnight

In general, and this is true across the board, The first accomplishment/performance of a notable action receives a medal. Each repeat of that action will usually result in the award of a star to be added onto the medal. Example: good conduct award (enlisted only) 3 consecutive years of good behavior (no NJPs, Court Martials, etc.) results in the award of the Good Conduct Medal. Each subsequent award results in a gold star added to the ribbon. Some awards receive medals, others receive ribbons only.

MiddKnight

https://www.usamm.com/pages/military-medals-and-ribbons-precedence-chart

MiddKnight

OK. So you can't start a new paragraph in these comments. But generally she would have a combat action award, and multiple stars on that award. 4 gold stars max, then on presentation of a new award, the gold stars are replaced by a single silver star. Common verbal phrasing: "gold star in lieu of 3rd award" or "silver star in lieu of 6th award"

MiddKnight

From what I have read, she would have your universe equiv of a National Defense Medal, Global War on Terrorism, Good Conduct (technicality if she was gone for 3 years or more on her "solo mission." an achievement medal, combat action ribbon with multiple stars, and any unit awards. (Unit awards are medals/ribbons presented to all members of a squad/platoon/command that participated in some noteworthy action.)

TheLazyShadow

So all Succubus are enslaved via the House-elf method from Harry Potter.

Michael Obert

Just had to have the tentacle porn representation of the master, lol

Town Crier

Unfortunately, most of Sydney's biggest achievements, to date, were without appropriate witnesses, and thus would not be awarded. At best, she would get it mentioned in her file. Still, that being said, Sydney has seen waaaaay more action than any raw recruit should see. Unfortunately (there's that word, again) some of it is probably too highly classified for Sydney to display the awards unless in a closed environment with only individuals with a high enough security clearance.

Anonymous

FYI, at least on a desktop, you can start a new paragraph in comments. Hold down shift when you hit enter to get a line return. Not sure how to do it on mobile.

Anonymous

I wonder how this applies to the young succubus from back at the night club. Who is her master?

Ian Brown

Yeah, Max seemed frustrated about the "using a raw cadet" thing, but that seems to be a thing with Supers. Their skillsets are so specific that when a circumstance comes along, the people most useful to accomplishing the objective are going to get deployed. Military or not, it seems like Archon/ArcSWAT simply HAS to be flexible about this stuff to meet its operational mandate.

Tim Latham

How about a bar code badge that when you touch it would display a holographic set of ribbons, metals and awards? Cause you know if you hang the real stuff on her she's going to have issues with balance, weight and other things I can't even imagine right now. LOL!

Anonymous

Navy vet here. She still wouldn't have too many medals. As others said she'd have the ones that anyone serving would have, (National Defense Medal, Global War on Terrorism) but that might actually be it. Yes, she's seen action and been involved in things, but that by no means translates to getting medals automatically, especially for low enlisted. The main question is, how many have her superiors recognized her for and put in the paperwork to request? Remember the main purpose of of medals behind the scenes is as an "Atta-boy" to encourage morale and behavior, or look impressive for the civilians, both things Max isn't the biggest on. Arianna is, but civilians can't make those requests. Max will need to weigh how much she wants people focused on medals. The regular military will also have a concern, considering ArcSWAT will really start overshadowing them, especially when they also are losing top soldiers like Peggy to it. And side note, there is no way Halo, or the vast majority of ArcSWAT recruits as shown, have good conduct medals. And that's not a bad thing. Our chief was in 12 years, and hadn't gotten one. "If you ain't wearing red, you ain't got out of bed"

Stephen Gilberg

Panel 1 implies that succubi could get away with absolutely any crime as long as the investigator was horny enough.

Magraal

Can a succubus have another succubus as a master? Hmmm.....

FeyOne

So, first, just because Max is Army doesn't mean that anyone/everyone else has to be as well, (or even military at all). The most likely bureaucratic approach to it all would be to have ARC as a Federal agency, but not military. It's not at all uncommon for military personnel to be tasked to positions in everything from the NSA to the Diplomatic Corps, depending on their specific job and the agency in question. If handled that way, Sydney wouldn't be joining the military when she joined ARC, she would have been joining ARC, (just like people who join the FBI, Border Patrol, CIA, etc... don't join the military by doing so). That structure would be far more likely, and more flexible, than creating a new branch of the military or tying them to an existing one, and it would also better match what you have shown in the comic so far. In that structure, Max would be assigned to ARC, and would be holding a role in ARC at the same time as she continued to hold her position in the Army. Same for any other military personnel assigned to ARC. Everyone else, (including Sydney), would be whatever her job in ARC is once she completed her training, (again, just like the FBI or CIA. Not everyone who works for the FBI is a field agent). That all said, military or federal agency, all of them have their own traditions about how they recognize accomplishment and what accomplishments they recognize; and contrary to common perceptions, it takes a long time to stack up a lot of medals/awards. Depending on a lot of things, she would have - 1) whatever is appropriate for completing Basic Training, (not all services or agencies recognize this with any sort of medal/ribbon, thought most do). 2) If ARC, (or the branch of the military in question), has a badge/medal for exceptional weapons skill, she may get that, (unlikely knowing Sydney, but always possible). 3) She was legitimately injured while fighting the Kaiju's - it's possible that Max put her in for a Purple Heart. It would count, and could be approved if she is military. If not military, then ARC may have an equivalent for their agency. 4) She may qualify for a branch specific commendation medal if she is actually in the military, and if not, then an ARC agency equivalent. 5) She may qualify for an armed forces expeditionary medal (addressing her time off planet) That's it. That's the full list, and only the first 2 would be locked in. The Purple heart requires approval, and would likely be denied due to the minor nature of the injury, the secrecy of the situation, etc... The commendation medal is a minor possibility, but again unlikely. The expeditionary medal would only apply in the cased of her now being in the military, (you really don't want to structure ARC as military. It just really doesn't work. They have to much autonomy. I'd really suggest making them Federal Agents of some sort instead of military). Then, on the agency side, if ARC is a Federal Agency instead of a military branch/unit, then they get to have their own traditions. That would give Sydney a better chance of some recognition, but again, it wouldn't be much. That all said, if ARC is military, there is a very minor chance that Max put Sydney in for the Medal of Honor, (sacrificing herself to make sure the entirety of the rest of her team was able to escape, and then single-handedly making her way back home from an alien planet and managing to secure diplomatic connections with a number of useful aliens in the process). If not military, then Max could have decided to put her in for the Civilian equivalent. This is NOT LIKELY, (the previously mentioned commendation is FAR more likely, if Max decided to do something like this. If they really went big, then a Bronze Star is probably the highest possible equivalent Sydney could get). Hmmm... and I think that covers it. Any way you do it. She won't have much to show, but if she has anything at all beyond the most basic stuff for graduating, (military or federal agency), it's probably covered by the list above.

Anton Schleef

Don't forget basic things like the Marksmanship ribbon. Sydney clearly hasn't that particular one, but Dave could probably come up with a few basic things like that that are specific to Supers but generic enough to not be problematic in being awarded. Of course, those get into the 'look impressive for the civilians' aspect as you mentioned and I don't see Max being that interested, unless it implies a certain degree of ability to 'safely' use their powers in a fight with civilians around. Dang it, I know there's a not-polite-but-not-inappropriate slang in the service for a lot of the 'simple' medals and ribbons, but now I just can't think it. Sadly, a lot of medals are really only there for that reason, rather than having a true meaning, until you get to the ones that get ceremonies.

davebarrack

Is it really the same? I've seen the first HP movie, maybe some of the others. Bits of them anyway, but outside of a few Dobbie memes I'm unfamiliar with the whole house elf schtick.

Anton Schleef

Glad there's someone here who is reasonably well versed on such things. I really hope Dave uses you as a resource for deciding Sydney's honors once she finally graduates.

Andrew Denton

"I think that you'll find that he died of natural causes. I stabbed him a bunch. Naturally, he died."

Nematrec

I think symbiote would be better term than slave. At least if you're being progressive about it and not trying to actually enslave them.

Anonymous

"Fruit Salad" or "Salad Bar" the unofficial designations for the ribbon rack. With Sydney's personality she'd be likely to use the nickname especially as it often annoyed some officers and nco's when used in formation. Most often in full dress inspections.

Some Ed

While this is likely true, I have a suspicion that Tom hasn't focused enough on PC matters to understand the distinction. I mean, he prides himself on being a fiend.

Matthew Paulin

Medals come from either a campaign(Operation Iraqi Freedom for example) or from personal achievement (commendation Medal, Good Conduct Medal, Achievement Medal). The other things on the uniform are generally qualifications (Expert Marksman, Airborne, Air Assault, etc.) Good Ref: https://www.military-ranks.org/decorations#:~:text=List%20of%20United%20States%20Military%20Medals%20By%20Precedence,Air%20Force%20Cross%20%2057%20more%20rows%20

Some Ed

She was gone something like 58 days. She won't have the good conduct medal. Also, I have the idea that she's resetting the clock on her good conduct medal every time she upsets Maxima, which is kind of often. She'd *need* to be lost in time for 3 years to get it. Also, would need to be on her best behavior when she got back long enough for Max to file for it, because even if she's gone 12 years, if she annoys Max enough for Max to yell at her, clock reset. Of course, I'm not military. It might require something that Max would be upset enough by to file paperwork. But I have no way to gauge that distinction. I still don't see Sydney getting Good Conduct. I've known some ex-military types who were in for more than 5 years without getting Good Conduct, despite them being very well behaved as far as I could tell. To be clear, I'm not talking about the various military pranksters I've known, or even the couple of guys that some of them framed for things repeatedly. I suspect it largely depends on your relationship with your CO, and sometimes, that just doesn't work for some people. In this case, it's not particularly working for Sydney.

Some Ed

If that were true, according to all the reports of my grandfather, he'd have had a whole mess of medals. I mean, he *did* have a number of them, but not nearly as many medals as he had neighbors who said he'd saved their lives back in WW II. He also had apparently not limited his heroism to saving neighbors.

Anonymous

One thing with medals for merit is that they are usually provided for actions considered above and beyond the call of duty. This may mean that Heroes aren't entitled to medals for such actions because it would be considered part of the job. A real world example of this is the VC, which, during WWI, was awarded to British and Colonial Troops who exhibited Valour in the Face of the Enemy. However, there was a period in WWI where the requirements were raised specifically for ANZAC troops (And maybe Other Colonial troops, I'm not an expert). This was done because ANZAC Troops were regularly meeting the requirements for the medal and it was intended as a medal of exceptionalism. Stretcher-bearers in particular were removed from the eligibility list because of the high incidence of their Valorous behavior.

Some Ed

That sounds both rough and reasonable. Though, that said, it seems possible she could still get an award even under that logic for saving the team from the Kaiju. Sure, she signed up for a job where taking one for the team like that could very well be expected, but as a recruit? She'd been on the team how many days at that point? I don't remember the exact number, but it wasn't that many. Was it even double digit numbers?

Anonymous

Medals come in three categories: 1. I was there! Basically every mission/action/engagement that got a name gets a ribbon. If you were there, you get the ribbon. 2. I did a thing! These are your purple hearts and medals of honor. These reflect some outstanding or exemplary action done while involved with #1 above. 3. I did good at school. There are all sorts of schools/training in the military. There are ribbons and medals for many of them, Airborne, Marksmanship, Infantry, etc. For marksmanship training there are 3 medals, Marksman (you passed) Sharpshooter (you did good) and Expert (perfect score) Marksmanship medals are awarded for each weapon. To this day I chuckle at my Expert medal for a perfect score on the Hand Grenade range.

Anonymous

If she discretely holds Fly Ball, she shouldn't have any balance and weight issues with any amount of ribbons and medals they may have awarded her.

akrasia

Hand grenade marksmanship? Did they make you chuck one down the barrel of a moving tank or something?

Anonymous

The range had five stations, it was timed, and we got just one grenade per station. If you got within 30 ft, that counted as hitting the target. Within 10 feet counted for more points, and essentially making a basket in a home depot bucket counted as a bullseye. Some stations were like shooting a basketball from half court, others involved sneaking around a fortified position until you could throw from a plave your wouldn't get shot at. I was a Marksman in rifle. (passing grade) but the only one who made expert in grenade for my unit. I am very grateful that I never had use those skills during my service.