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Now that we've gotten a limited look at next-gen, a few major unknowns remain. Perhaps the biggest mystery -- apart from the cost of PlayStation 5 itself -- is how expensive AAA software running on the new hardware will be. Thanks to 2K, we may have an answer, marking the first price hike in well over a decade. Such a move may cause sticker shock at first, but rest assured: Gaming is still cheaper than ever. We explain. Plus: TLoU2 sells big, Sony is on the hunt for its next studio acquisition, Tencent comes to America, the Harry Potter RPG is real, PlayStation Plus turns 10, and more. Then, listener questions! Should difficulty Trophies hinder one's enjoyment of a game? When did the arcade racer (essentially) go extinct? How long do we have to wait for The Last of Us: Factions to return? Do birds get too little respect for being descended from dinosaurs? We have an answer we think you'll dig.

Timestamps:

0:00:17 - Intro.
0:06:31 - An update about Twin Breaker physical editions.
0:07:28 - It's official: Colin's Last Stand has acquired 49% of Lillymo Games.
0:10:02 - Conan, Hercules, Xena, and you.
0:14:02 - An Arkham-related correction.
0:15:04 - The Buttcrack Deodorant Saga, Part II.
0:19:11 - What about deodorant in the "leg crevasses"?
0:21:28 - Do birds get enough credit for being the descendants of dinosaurs?
0:27:57 - Is it okay to put ketchup on eggs?
0:31:25 - What have we been playing?
0:37:00 - What's our hype level for Ghost of Tsushima?
0:39:39 - What will the critical and consumer reaction be to Ghost of Tsushima?
0:45:52 - The Last of Us: Part II becomes quickest-selling PS4 exclusive ever.
0:52:04 - It's looking official: Next-gen games are gonna cost $69.99 USD.
1:12:19 - Sony is reportedly on the hunt for its next first party studio.
1:17:10 - Tencent is opening a studio in California.
1:19:47 - The Harry Potter RPG is real and coming to PS5 in 2021.
1:29:23 - July's free PS+ games have been revealed.
1:32:33 - Dreams' PSVR support is incoming.
1:37:34 - Sony has revealed 10 new indie games coming to PS4 and/or PS5.
1:51:31 - Ubisoft announces a major shift in its culture.
1:54:37 - Ubisoft reveals battle royale Hyper Scape.
1:58:56 - Sales numbers have been revealed for numerous games.
1:59:37 - New video game related TV shows have been announced.
2:04:05 - New announcements are still coming this summer without E3.
2:04:44 - Minor game announcements and release date information.
2:07:42 - Sony didn't post The Drop this week.
2:09:15 - How can Microsoft compete with Sony in the realm of first party games?
2:12:58 - How do we feel about difficulty-based Trophies?
2:18:35 - When should we expect to see the return of The Last of Us: Factions?
2:20:43 - Is there still room for arcade racing games?
2:23:54 - Is it unfair for us to speculate about a game's viability pre-release?
2:28:29 - When will the first digital-only AAA game release?

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Joe McPartlin

First. Calling "first" is corny but I'm rarely met with the chance to do it so here we are.

Liam Fagan

Gaming is not cheaper than ever. My god

Liam Fagan

But any way games are cool

Anonymous

Still crazy to know that Lillymo is just a little over half an hour away from where I live. Congratulations on the acquisition and excited for more games from you and Barry.

Henry Viola

Congrats on Lillymo Colin! Really happy seeing all of your (much deserved) success since starting CLS. Can't wait to see what you will do with a JRPG, what I can imagine is a life long dream of yours.

Bogey Zero

Hey Colin, I too have always been told I have a neutral smell. I've found out that a lot of East Asians(I'm Korean) have a genetic trait that stops them from producing that musty sweat smell and natural body odor. There's also a correlation between having this trait and having dry flaky ear wax instead of the wet waxy kind. Curious to know what kind of ear wax you have.

Anthony J Sanchez

I thought I was the only person who realized that it was Hercules and Xena. Not Conan and Xena. Glad others wrote in as well to correct the blunder.

Bryan Lozano

Hey Colin, congrats on your recent boss moves with Lillymo. I was just wondering if you’ve heard on of the recent interviews with Neil where he explains his thought process throughout the making of tlou2. I checked out Greg’s podcast with Neil, Ashley, and Troy. I recommend giving it a listen although I’m waiting for the official PlayStation spoillercast.

Jorge Sosa

I thought I was the only one that liked a cold drink in the shower, usually a can of Coke. Also in the summer I buy a separate deodorant for my seat to keep them from sweating so much and thus smelling. It's hot in Houston ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Anonymous

I’m going on a little drive to visit someone tomorrow. (Dw im still being safe about it). I’ll have to listen to this in the car though! :)

Anonymous

You guys make my heart hurt with this Harry Potter game.

Real Radec

PlayStation Indies gives me vibes of when Sony put more effort into experimental, smaller games like Unfinished Swan, Puppeteer, Fat Princess etc.

Philip Andersen

Out of the Xbox event, I really want to know what Obsidian is working on... ( I expect that there's more in the water than just Grounded)

Luis Sanchez

Have people not heard of Gold bond/man powder??? Lol.

Jose Horrach

It's pronounced Coh-tee-ha cheese

Adam

I live in Canada and there is no doubt that our dollar is much weaker 0.75 as it stands but with the $10 increase and after taxes I will be paying $100 per game which is insane. It can’t be helped but for myself I’ve been transitioning to PC gaming for a while now where there are sales and other ways to get around paying those prices like subscription services. Console gaming has become an exclusive machine for me now and same with a lot of my friends who buy even less and I think that could become an issue in the future. None of my friends will be buying any of the new consoles when they comes because why would you? It’s something to think about but maybe it won’t affect overall sales anyhow.

Michael Cook

Sorry but you're confidence in taking on swan is incredibly misguided. In man vs swan (and especially it's more psychotic relative, the urban goose), always bet on feathers. They're nasty bastards.

Richard Duflo

I thought for sure Colin was gonna mention Shatter for the games he has helped

George

So tired of hearing people whine and moan like a bunch of babies about microtransactions. Publishers put microtransactions in games because people buy them and buy games that have them. If you don't like microtransactions, stop buying from publishers that put microtransactions in their games. Games are not food, or water, or shelter. Games are not a necessity. You can go without playing a fucking video game. But God forbid gamers exercise a modicum of self control.

Mr Worry

Hey, thanks for reading my over the top rant.

NJ

Thanks for another great episode guys, I was glad to hear you address the JK Rowling controversy. While I agree a lot needs to be done to improve the rights and support of trans people, I can’t help thinking that there will always be fundamental differences in the life experience of trans people, and the people genetically born to their assigned gender. Dismissing the importance of cisgender identity (and the unique life experiences which come with it), is surely equally as damaging as dismissing transgender identity. Both disregard the core basis of what makes us who we are as individuals, much like race, beliefs, and sexuality.

hugplx

Dude, 70 USD is exactly 100 AUD which is what I ALREADY pay for digital games on PSN. I dunno what monopoly money Canada uses, but if I have to pay more than you guys for digital games...? I might start flipping tables. I'm hoping the prices in AU stay the same and you guys were just being charged too little. Fingers crossed.

Watch Ergo Proxy

2 and a half hour episode? LET'S GOOOOOOOOOOOO

Agent Chodey Banks

Colin googling "leg crevice" and getting Touching the Void as a result is one of my favorite Sacred Symbols moments.

Anonymous

Colin - my girlfriend just wanted me to let you know she got a good laugh out of your “buenos dias” pronunciation lol

Anonymous

On Cassowaries: Hey guys, i live in North Queensland, Australia and can definitely attest to these fuckers being the descendants of dinosaurs. I had a recent run in on a camping trip and was stuck in my car with my wife for nearly an hour while the Cassowary re-enacted the T-Rex scene from Jurassic Park. Just one issue i have, Chris - please look up the pronunciation for Cassowary, it literally kills me to hear you say it. Its casso-wary as in i’m “wearing” my clothes. Love all things CLS, keep up the great work.

Monterey Jack

Colin, I'm the same as you. Live super clean and have ants every March-June invading my house. Fuck ants!

Anonymous

Of all the episodes to listen to with my mum in the car, it went from talking about a guy putting deodorant in his ass, then a guy who talks about putting it in his leg crevasse, then we move on to a discussion about pigeons we then got to her destination and she got out the car. Idk what my mum thinks of me now.

Anonymous

Video games nowadays have been devalued in a way that I just never saw in the 90's and early 2000's. PS2/Xbox era AAA games rarely dropped in price within the first 9-12 months of release, while nowadays, it's not uncommon for a AAA game to be discounted within weeks of launch. If you're paitent enough to wait 1-3 months, you likely never have to pay more than $45 USD for a big release video game brand new. I think that is the bigger issue, especially with the introduction of subscrpition services like Xbox Gamerpass, UPlay +, and EA access.

Anonymous

Leg crevice = touching the void. Hahahaha this really got me. The internet is the gift that keeps on giving.

Empty Symbol

Every time I hear Tencent I'm instantly out

Empty Symbol

Y'know outside of JK Rowling's incessant retconing of her books I've kinda been on her side with her past few "Contaversies". No one should be dragged for having reasonable opinions.

Calcifer

Colin, just a quick comment on the paying more for games discussion. The only thing that bothers me and as a fan old school games you might agree... is I‘d be fine with paying more if the games were just that much better. They are in a sense...visuals. For sure. But gameplaywise I’m not sure they are

Zibi Majewski

I can concur on the "not talking enough" during spoilercast. I've noticed very quickly that you (Colin) have mostly read the question from the audience and passed the question off to Chris. You chimed in here and there but mostly Chris did the heavy lifting. Which was to a degree disappointing because as much as I like Chris, I was looking forward more to your opinion /thoughts, especially since you're more happy with it than Chris, who found the game average as per his description. To top it off, that sometimes bleeds into normal episodes. Seems like you should let Chris read some quarries from audience to you to spur your involvement with certain subjects. Just my two cents. Thank you.

JD

She got out of the car in a hurry to go find her credit card so she could become a patron :D

Anonymous

I think $70 has hit the limit at which I’m willing to take a chance on a game. I think I’m just going to make the transition to Nintendo and say goodbye to Sony/Xbox.

Matthew Cooper

I think that the price of games going up is inevitable and perfectly reasonable. If you think a $70 price point for a game is too high, just wait for it to go on sale. Games don't stay at full price for very long anymore. I just picked up Part 2 for $60, but before that it had been a very long time since I paid full price for a game. Maybe the Bioshock Collection?

Anonymous

I’m sorry - did Chris just say that little people have a “waddly quality?”

NeO JD

The Buttcrack Deodorant Saga is legit wild. 😂

D'Ante Almo

Maneater is really good and has a really fun trophy list too.

PissJug

Gonna give this buttcrack deodorant a shot. I usually just Gold Bond up to help fight the summer swamp ass. Interested to see if the deodorant affects fart smells as well.

Caleb Greer

You guys had that Xbox first party question, and this is just your half-annual reminder to play Gears 5 sometime! You’re a busy man, but would love to hear what you think of it one day :)

Anonymous

This is one of the very best SS episodes to date. It started so fun and random. It got into some interesting news. And finished strong. Love you guys. Keep Fridays

Brandon Soto

If Miles Morales is $70, only on PS5 & about 10 hours like Infamous: First Light / Uncharted: Lost Legacy, that’s very concerning. I would keep an eye out for this.

Miles Williams

I can confirm Ni No Kuni sold at least one copy because of you. I just picked up the game a couple weeks ago, after hearing you gush about it for years. I haven't had much time to play it. Only a couple hours. I like it a lot so far though.

Wayde

How about instead of having trophies attached to these specific runs without dying or beating a game on survivor plus why not have in game unlockables or themes or avatars associated with doing that achievement

Wayde

Ni no Kuni 1 and 2 are wonderful games enjoy

There’s No I in LLC

Actually my theater is still under six bucks. So take that cocksucka!!

Henry Maxwell

I didn't see any comments clarifying, but 'Moonlighter' is the RPG Item shop game for anyone who's interested. I can confirm it is pretty great.

JT

Colin, Cardinals are awesome. My father and I have property in the mountains in North Carolina full of cool animals and by far the cardinal is his favorite. He sends me pictures all the time to update me on “his” birds since I’m on the opposite coast. Fuck giant bats though. Much love, JT

JT

Did they update to fix the dropped frames? Other than that it was a perfect 20hr trophy run for me. Chris Parnell narrator was great too. Would definitely play the dlc.

JD

Insomniac confirmed that MM is Uncharted Lost Legacy in scope. Most likely this means it will priced similarly

Will Hahn

Ms. Pac-Man fucking rules dude.

Jordan Knepp

I live in North Carolina and my mother-in-law has a bunch of bird feeders and bird houses in her backyard and there is ALWAYS 10+ birds in her backyard constantly. Usually cardinals and blue jays. It's amazing.

Jordan Knepp

always mayo and ketchup on egg sandwiches. I was born and raised in PA and this is a staple. However, as I got older I used Tabasco rather than ketchup. Tabasco is the nectar of the gods

LastStandMedia

My ear wax seems somewhat flaky, but it can be wet when the Q-Tip goes in the hole, obviously.

LastStandMedia

No, I've not listened to or watched any TLoU2 content. Trying to keep my own thoughts fresh and unique.

LastStandMedia

Yes, BUT the three games you mentioned were developed by Sony-funded (or in the case of Puppeteer, Sony-owned) studios.

LastStandMedia

I totally get it. You have to do what's best for you as a consumer. Whatever that is, I say do you.

LastStandMedia

I'm actually with you, minus the hostility. =) If you don't want microtransactions, don't buy them. I literally don't understand the issue here, either.

LastStandMedia

I'm with you, I think. I just think we need to judge everyone as an individual, allow people to live their lives to their specifications so long as no one is getting hurt, and not get caught up in this intersectional, cutting-us-all-up game. I don't like it.

LastStandMedia

The competitive nature of the market will drive costs down, and will continue to! There will just be a higher starting point, I think.

LastStandMedia

Yes, precisely. Game prices will still drop, and the market will be more competitive. It just gives us a higher level to begin at, which is good for devs, I think.

LastStandMedia

Yeah, I just think they need to put more thought into the design of these lists. Like, not for nothing, but Twin Breaker's Trophy list is perfect.

Hodge

I’m so tired of this emphasis on being crunch-free. I work between 60-70 hours every week at one job. I haven’t worked less than 50 in three months. I work at a bank. I’d much rather be stuck at work for 60 hours a week if it meant I was creating something. I’m sure those people make a lot more than me too

Anonymous

Chris speaking about the Halo games not having achievements tied to the hardest difficulty isn’t entirely true as there are achievements tied to the Master Chief Collection for finishing each game’s campaign on LASO difficulty (legendary difficulty with all skulls on). These achievements have between a 0.03 and 0.05% unlocked percentage. One has to be either insane or a masochist to even attempt this sort of challenge.

SteelChevron

Where the heart is, is from developer Armature studio, they are no greenhorns. They made my favorite game this gen, Recore. It's the ex-Retro studio guys that made acclaimed Metroid Prime Series. Their game may fall under the indie category but the talent behind it tells another story.

Zack E

So Chris doesn’t mind micro-transactions in the games that he likes and/or understands? But god forbid Madden or Call of Duty has micro-transactions for their fans? Nobody is forcing anyone to buy micro transactions for crying out loud.

kentuckyfried

my latest favorite breakfast thing is eggs with guacamole and ketchup. It’s great!

Anonymous

Go visit Barry in Ontario and do a meet and greet post corona. You got lots of fans up here too

Anonymous

Hey Collin, Concerning your quandary about how bright cardinals and other birds can survive while being so vibrant; typically, only the males are so bright. Female cardinals are a muddy brown. They don’t need the brightness to attract other females and they have more survivability to rear the chicks. I’m not an ornithologist or anything. I just love in a place with cardinals and have googled them before. Cheers

Kershon Chapman

Chris, man I really appreciate your take on micro transactions. Thanks for that ✊🏽

Anonymous

Oh man I made the mistake of asking if tlou2 could be the 1st 4A game on playstation and oof ppl is mocking me hard, probably deserved it but definitely is a topic coming in fast.

Travis B

Chris, destiny was one of the most egregious example of price gouging. Funny how it is one of your favorites. I have no problem with micro transactions, i simply dont buy them.

LastStandMedia

Yeah... I mean, if you don't want to crunch and work hard, go into a field that doesn't require (or even demand) it. No judgments from me.

LastStandMedia

As I recall, Armature was also the studio charged with making the cancelled Bloodstained Vita port.

LastStandMedia

I'm in general agreement: I don't have a problem with microtransactions. Why is it so hard not to buy them?

LastStandMedia

I'm with you in terms of simply not buying them. If they're still there, that's because other people are, and we can't control their consumerist behavior.

The Rose Experience

Colin, huge congrats on the stake in Lilymo. If you're ever up near the studio hit me up. We've shared a conversation before at an IGN meetup and I assure you I will not kill you. First round is on me dude! Now; -As a Canadian and player of video games for 35 years it's long passed due for these price increases to our games. Like you I remember the Phantasy Star 2 and 4's, the Chrono Triggers etc and it didn't stop me then. We're spoiled and while I know times are tight, this shouldn't be a cheap hobby and as long as this money is passed to the hard working people at the studios and not executives I'm in complete agreement. -I've played sports my entire life, some at high levels and continue to do so at 41 and I'm just going to tell you that putting deodorant in your ass is a sign of psychosis, no one does this. My man that writes in needs serious help. -Building a studio around avoiding crunch just seems like appeasement talk. The entitlement of a generation of people that have built relatively nothing and don't want to work hard is hilarious as anyone that's ever done, or built anything of work will tell you that it isn't getting accomplished by putting in a 9-5 work day. Saying that, there's nothing wrong with doing that in your life and neither is the opposite. -JK Rowling said nothing remotely controversial to anyone living in reality. Until next week my friends!

Anonymous

On your point #3; rather than being representative of an entitled generation - isn’t this just a recruitment tactic being deployed by Tencent’s studio to give them a competitive advantage when trying to lure new hires from a finite talent pool? The challenge for them will be to convince people that it’s a sustainable model and then deliver on their projects. If they can, then fair enough. And if they can’t, they won’t. It'll be interesting to see what the outcome is.

Fotis Lyto

Collin, I also enjoy the conversation around the last of us 2 a lot as well, however, it is not something unseen before, maybe in video games it is, a very very similar thing happened with the last Jedi down to the reception from critics and audiences that if you check (metacritic and rotten tomatoes respectively) are almost the same. That conversation is is still raging in some communities and it has been a joy for me for years. Also I wanted to ask you if the disco Elysium guys are Communist will they mind if I sail the high seas to play that game? I mean it is our product, comrades.

Your Boi Nicky V

I think the J.K Rowling controversy is absolutely ridiculous. Trans women are "trans" because they don't have the same biology as biological women. That's a fact, we're literally approaching a point where biological realities are becoming offensive. I honestly think if you asked random 100 people in the street to explain what's offensive about the phrase "only women menstruate", at least 95 of them would struggle to explain it. It's a completely fabricated controversy by the out of touch media; it really annoys me hearing places like Giant Bomb say "fuck J.K Rowling" when discussing the game so thank you for being the voice of reason within gaming journalism as usual, Colin. Even worse is people who are indebted to Rowling like Daniel Radcliffe coming out and condemning her with generic and absolute statements like "trans women are women", that's not even addressing what she said.

DarthLemon616

This is a playstation podcast but I absolutely love the banter between Colin and Chris at the beginning of the podcast 😂

Dee Han

Colin I disagree that the vast majority of people playing TLoU - I think it’s the reverse. One thing I have to say is that I feel that you didn’t give your opinion of TLoU outside of the SS+. I was surprised when you said that Chris didn’t like the game since he did not really talk about it.

Dee Han

Colin, Australia was paying $99 for new games even when the Australian dollar was stronger than the US dollar.

Anonymous

Deoderant between the legs is for chaffing. My wife taught me this trick. Great for working in the best

LastStandMedia

Pricing doesn't happen in a vacuum. The Australian market is different than the American market. I'm sure you pay different prices for almost everything than we do, better or worse. I don't understand this economic relativism approach.

Anonymous

I meant the heat, not best. Sorry I'm just never going to reply againef

Anonymous

Colin, thank you for discussing inflation in relation to game prices and how $60 in 2006 is around $72 now. Something to add, due to Covid-19 Stimulus we've increased the M2 money supply by 25% on an annual basis (so far) this is unprecedented. M2 money supply is essentially all the money circulating within the economy (Check Investopedia if you want a deeper explanation). This measurement is often used to calculate future inflation. The last 15 years have seen lower than historical average inflation rates. I can't find another time in history in the US that the M2 money supply has increased this quickly. Not even during 1979-1981 which averaged 11.7% inflation annually. Long story short, $70 seems low to me moving forward and game publishers may be forced to charge more like $80, unless they go to remote teams where rent costs can offset some operational costs to the tune of 10-20%. Hope I didn't make your brain work too hard! Keep up the great work guys.

Zach Brown

Funny thing about Abbie Heppe - I was first introduced to her when she worked for G4 as a writer and host of a podcast called Feedback. I found her analysis insightful and engaging, but when she left for Respawn and I didn't have an XBox, I figured "Well, guess that's the last I'll hear from her." She saw the writing on the wall, though, as G4 ceased to produce gaming content very shortly after her departure, leaving me searching for some sort of long-form gaming discussion. Enter Beyond! and Colin Moriarty. Moral of the story: You and Abbie have linked fates, regardless of whether or not you played Titanfall in Germany.

Anonymous

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Gene

Been hearing a lot of audio hiccups on this episode whenever Colin speaks. Issues that can be fixed with editing by Dustin?

Jake Woods

What kind of egg sandwich has ketchup? Blasphemy.

Cash

Eh, it might be good with a slight amount of high quality ketchup, not the shitty Heinz or Hunts. Many people eat eggs and omelettes with ketchup though, it's pretty normal

Jacob

Great debate on upfront cost and optional purchases. I side heavily with Chris, but enjoy hearing Colin's view even though I can't agree with it.

LastStandMedia

No, I'm into economics. I get it. It's funny -- and I never said this publicly, because people will just yell at me -- but people in this GI Joe group I'm in on Facebook noticed that on eBay, prices of Joes have gone up since the stimulus (etc.) went out, which is fascinating, because it shows that money circulation drives prices up (which is why I'm against UBI). So, yeah. We're fighting two different inflationary cycles, now.

LastStandMedia

I haven't heard any of these complaints, so I suspect it's on your end. But, if you wanna provide timestamps (via DM), I can look into it!

Anonymous

Colin, to contribute to the ketchup and egg discussion, it is standard practice in southern Ontario to pair the two. Any and all breakfast restaurants or delis have ketchup available at every table. I grew up always pairing ketchup with eggs and could not eat them otherwise

Liam Mcnulty

I feel bad for JK Rowling here, even though she's often overly progressive and pandering but all she said was that trans women aren't biologic women, that's true, it's like facts are offensive now 😂 I'll happily call any trans person by their preferred pronoun, being respectful costs nothing, but to say biology isn't a thing at all is ridiculous.

LastStandMedia

I was actually reading about her last night in the bath. She has given SO MUCH MONEY away, it's nuts.

Liam Mcnulty

Can't fault her charity at all, she seems like someone who genuinely cares. I'm a big fan of her work. I was more on about her retroactively retconning some of her stuff to please the people who are coming for her now. You ever think you'll go back and read the other HP novels? They get so much better!

Not Sure

I thought this was interesting what I learned in nursing school. The groin, the area in between the scrotum and thigh is the most germy area for males. For females, it's right in the middle of the...lips. lol

Jacko Ting

Listening to conversation about game prices increasing. Over here in the UK, I am sure game prices have increased with every generation. I used to pay £39.99 for PS2 games, £49.99 for PS3 games and now £59.99 for PS4 games

Jacko Ting

No worries Colin I appreciate the response nonetheless. Police Officer from the UK and been listening since Beyond. Loving the random chat Chris and you have in the first part of the show. The talk about strangling swans was a particular highlight. Keep on going and doing what you do. Stay safe and all the best