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Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan Full Reaction! (Patreon)

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2023-05-06 17:00:03
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Star Trek: The Wrath of Khan Full Reaction

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Ryan

Like I mentioned last time, Leonard Nimoy very nearly didn't come back for the first movie, because he'd gotten so fed up with people only thinking of him as Spock and ignoring all the rest of his acting work (which in the meantime had included a two season run on Mission Impossible). To get him to do it again for this film, they pulled out the big guns and promised him every actor's greatest wish: an epic, dramatic death scene. And that hugely emotional finish is a huge part of why this film is still considered not only the best Trek film, but one of the shining moments of the entire sci-fi genre (personally, I think Undiscovered Country is better, but it's definitely very close). Unfortunately, early in production it was leaked to the public that Spock would die (a much rarer occurance in those pre-Internet days, so there typically wasn't as much effort put into stopping it), which they tried to mitigate by adding the opening scene where the whole crew is "killed" in a training exercise, hoping that upon seeing it, people would think that was what had leaked and still be caught off guard. I also recommend you now check out the Season 8 premiere of Seinfeld, which has a whole running gag about the movie, including Jerry and George getting choked up at the memory of Spock's death even as they're totally dry-eyed about the actual death of George's fiancee.

Ryan

Parts 1 and 2 are swapped on the site.

Anonymous

We have moved from the Motionless Picture to one of the best science fiction films ever made. Notice I didn’t say the best Star Trek film, which it is, I said one of the best science fiction films ever made, period. Sadly, I can’t say it’s my favorite of the year of its release as that would be Blade Runner followed shortly by Tootsie. It is, however, roughly tied for third favorite of that year with the film, Deathtrap. Naturally, this will lead me to be quite chatty about it and I'll have to split my comments up. I'll start by addressing the fashion commentary. The uniforms introduced in the film are my favorite uniforms in Star Trek. Kirk in the reading glasses, that was a sharp look. You are correct this film has a powerful legacy. A chief reason for this is Khan Noonien Singh. Ricardo Montalbán is so brilliant in this film delivering a powerhouse performance that cements Khan as the single most dangerous adversary the Enterprise ever has or ever will face, my favorite Star Trek character, as well as one of the best villains ever. I loved that you were impressed by Ricardo’s performance as Khan in this film. You are correct, nothing will stop Khan’s wrath; he does very much want his revengeance as you called it. Your concern for Chekov throughout the film was sweet. The scene with the eels, I don’t blame you for not loving that. You handled that scene well. My brother jumps out of his skin and flees the room at that scene, and that’s not an easy thing to accomplish. I'm on edge with that scene myself as it is chilling. In terms of new characters Saavik is one of the standouts. I get what you mean by not necessarily being opposed to David’s plotline, yet not being the biggest fan of it. That's fair. Spock himself didn’t seem that interested in it either what with his bone dry “Fascinating” upon learning who David is as if to say, “Considering your reputation, Captain, it is hardly a surprise that you managed to sire an offspring.” I never quite noticed Chekov kind of just lying there during the one scene, though you’re right it does seem a trifle awkward for Chekov. A big highlight is how this movie finally intimatley explores what happens when someone or something Kirk dealt with in the past comes back. You yourself said many times how the perceived lack of follow-up was often a sore point for you with the show. How Kirk would assess a questionable outcome, say, “Welp, problem solved. Let's go guys.” and as far as was shown, he’d never check on how the situation progressed. To have the film dive deep into that here was excellent. A strong point of the film as you observed was that the other main characters are getting more of their own moments in the spotlight, such as James being excellent in the scenes with Scotty and his nephew. Said nephew by the way, is portrayed by Ike Eisenmann who was indeed the kid from the Witch Mountain films. You expressed it being somewhat out of left field bringing those films up. I actually thought something of the same, thinking, “Those are somewhat obscure/under the radar. But then again, considering Jess and her passion for Disney, she’d likely know those films.” I loved your reaction to the Sulu moments. One such moment is one of my favorite Sulu moments. That he remains a very cool customer throughout the film. More specifically, when it becomes clear that they will not escape in time, Sulu notes, “We’re not going to make it. Are we?” particularly how George delivers the line as if to say, “This is how I'm going? Well, wouldn’t have been my first choice.” I continue to love that you love Sulu.

Anonymous

Now onto the big emotional moment of the film. The other of its most enduring legacy, and one of the most emotional moments of anything. The death of our dear beloved Spock. Alas, I am too young to tell you what it was like to have seen this in the theater first-run. I have seen rereleases of this in the theater twice now. And until I had seen your reaction, I couldn’t tell you how it felt to see it unspoiled. In the four decades following its release, Spock’s death has largely become common knowledge. You, Jess, are the first person I have ever known below a certain age who didn’t know it was coming. I don’t know how you avoided being spoiled about that, but I applaud the accomplishment. I did start to suspect you were unaware based on your comments throughout your journey through the show. I KNEW I was never going to be prepared for your reaction to the moment. I was right. Yes, massive praise to Leonard. I love you see it in his eyes when Spock realizes what he must do. And you briefly see fear, but he carries on regardless. Shatner gives one of his greatest performances in that scene and breaks your heart. DeForest and James, likewise, break your heart in their line deliveries as Bones and Scotty have to tell Kirk that Spock cannot be saved. And when you see Kirk break when Spock dies, you remember that Khan wished to hurt Kirk. And through Spock’s death, Khan WON. You questioned how no one, aside from yourself, was bawling like little bitches. Yeah, well, behind the scenes, I'm told everyone in the cast WAS bawling like little bitches and had to work hard to keep it together when filming happened. The filming crew, I'm told were similarly bawling like little bitches. I cannot watch any of Spock’s death and funeral without bawling like a little bitch myself. Watching it again this time, I still broke down, even though I had seen it several times before. And when I saw your reaction to it, I cried even harder to the point I started shaking some. I swear to God, I’m not making that up. You commented on Saavik crying not being very logical. No, it was. To deny the pain, heartbreak, and grief that she felt for her mentor and the man who was like a father to her would be most illogical. I don’t blame you in the slightest for having that feeling of not being terribly enthusiastic about continuing these films without Spock. Spock is my favorite of the main crew; thus, I feel your pain. I am most sorry for the film causing your congestion to flare up. Thank you so very much for this outstanding reaction, Jess. No bother about the delay in your reaction to the third film. You take the time you need to recover from your upcoming surgery. I shall be patient; I;m sure everyone else will as well. Until then, Jess, live long and prosper.

Anonymous
>>107969264

Undiscovered Country is a very close second in terms of my favorite Star Trek films. You say you like it a little bit better than Wrath of Khan, I think that’s great. Yeah, that’s a great Seinfeld moment. I should probably talk about it with my brother again sometime given George Costanza is my brother’s favorite character, combined with my brother’s strong love for Wrath of Khan.

Anonymous

I remember watching this in the theater, I cried at the Spock death scene, not something I'd normally do but Star Trek was a big part of my childhood and Spock was a big part of Star Trek for me. Don't know if you noticed but the guy on the Reliant trying to contact Terrell and Chekov was Kyle, the transporter guy on many episodes of the series. And yes, Scotty's nephew Preston was indeed the kid from Witch Mountain. Saavik crying makes more sense when you understand that she was supposed to be half Romulan half Vulcan, I'm not sure if that was actually stated in the movie or just in the novelization of the movie. That's why she showed more emotion throughout the movie than you'd expect from a Vulcan and explains why Spock took an interest in her and mentored her.

Ryan
>>107974887

1982 may be the best single year ever for sci-fi/fantasy. Besides Wrath of Khan and Blade Runner, we had ET, The Thing, The Secret of NIMH, The Dark Crystal, Poltergeist, Conan the Barbarian, Tron, The Last Unicorn, and The Beastmaster.

Anonymous

I very much enjoyed your reaction to this, thank you. My very best wishes for the surgery - I hope it all goes very smoothly.

Anonymous
>>107974887

I definitely agree. That was a very good year for sci-fi/fantasy.

Ryan
>>107974894

One lovely touch it took me a few viewings to catch: McCoy, Scotty, and the other guy are already perfectly in position to grab Kirk the way they do when he comes in. They knew full well that Kirk would instinctually try to save Spock even though it would mean flooding the radiation through the whole ship, and they would need to stop him.

ThatGuy11200

The director of this movie, Nicholas Meyer, said the secret to getting a good performance out of William Shatner is to do take after take after take. Eventually, he gets bored and starts acting instead of grandstanding.

Anonymous
>>107974894

Yeah, that part is a great touch. It also makes me cry, but it's a great touch.

Ron

Thank you for another wonderful reaction! Also, I'm sure everything will go well with your surgery. And, don't worry about any delay. We all had to wait 2 years before ST3 came out.

Brodie Vickers

Great reaction Jess! thanks. For me, this will always be the best.. and the darkest of the Star Trek movie’s. Primarily because of the fate of Regula I personnel, which I still think for Star Trek is pretty f***’in brutal haha. I’m amazed that you never knew about Spock which I’ve always thought was common knowledge! so congrats about that. On an unrelated topic, are you going to be doing 13 Nights of Horror again this year? I’m hoping that you’ll watch the 3rd Evil Dead “Army of Darkness” either then, if not sooner👍. Likewise, I hope that your upcoming surgery goes well. After years of watching your content, I’ve found myself to care a lot about your health & wellbeing. All the best x

Anonymous

Every time I hear "Send to Commander, Reliant: Prepare to be boarded." I want Kirk to add a pirate ARRRRRRR! If I recall correctly, the novel explained that due to the damage during the attack, Scotty couldn't take a turbolift directly from Engineering to Sickbay. He had to go to the Bridge, and take the other turbolift from there. The novels are good at trying to fix things that make you go Huh? The novel also goes more into the backstory of the Genesis team, and what all happened when Khan showed up. It is very brutal. I always wondered why they didn't beam over to Reliant and do what they did with Nomad... beam it out into space and disperse the pattern over a wide area. The rationale probably would have been that when the torpedo was active, the wave would prevent the transporter from locking on.

Ryan

One unfortunate effect this film had on the franchise: Since this battle is between two people who know exactly where to hit each other's ships, and the shields are down for most of it, every single hit is devastating and causes massive damage on the bridges. But then the creators of the later shows picked up on this and portrayed the Enterprise and other major ships as reacting to basically every single hit they took with massive shaking and exploding consoles, even with shields up and no matter where they were hit. By the time of Discovery, the consoles even seem to have literal flamethrowers installed for no reason but to make this worse.

Josef Schiltz
>>107978523

Shatner: "BuhHhhah? Wh! HaHuh?? Grandstanding??" Takei: "Ohhhhh myyyyyy!" Chekov: - something indiscernibly Russian. Possibly "Cossack!"

Ryan
>>107978523

“Now say nuclear wessels.” “No.”

Jenny Chalek

I totally feel you when you say you could think about food at literally anytime. Me too, girl.

Anonymous
>>107978523

Well, it seems to have served him well. The man’s 90 and still a firecracker. I just wish Nimoy was still alive. This movie just makes me miss him.

Anonymous

Thank you for putting the entire movie up at once. I thoroughly enjoyed your reaction. Thanks Jess, take care of yourself.