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Spider-Man 3 (2007) Full Reaction! (Patreon)

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2023-04-13 12:12:43
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Spider-Man 3 (2007)

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Ryan

This movie went through a TON of creative struggles with the studio, which are at the heart of why it ended up so bad. Most notably, Raimi doesn't care at all about Venom and was forced to include him because he was popular with comics fans, and BOY can you feel his passion level drop every time this part of the story comes up (though it still was his idea to include three villains; he just wanted the Vulture instead). Also, the original script made clear that Harry's butler was actually a subconscious projection of his refusal to admit the truth about his father's death, with their final talk representing his accepting it. But the rewrites managed to remove every single indication of that, so we're left with the impression that this guy just sat on the information and let Harry go off on a misguided revenge mission for no reason. And of course, the whole "Surprise Peter, this other guy killed your uncle and all that guilt was meaningless" twist, which doesn't even have the excuse of coming from the comics like certain other less than popular parts of these movies. Though going back through these movies again, what really struck me is that the first two, which were much, MUCH better received than this one, also had their fair share of indefensibly silly moments (It's you who's out, Gobby, out of your mind!), and the best thing I can suppose is that their core stories were still good enough that people were willing to overlook that, which stopped being the case with the third one (plus we didn't yet have the MCU to compare them to). And taken in isolation, the birth of Sandman is a true piece of cinematic art that shows Raimi absolutely still had it in him to do great things with this franchise. He actually got pretty far into the pre-production process of making a fourth film, but studio politics reared their ugly head again (just check out the Troubled Production page on TV Tropes; it's pretty fascinating stuff), so we got the Andrew Garfield films instead. And that's a whole other story.

Thomas Corp

As I see has been commented on, the thumbnail is perfect. And your outfit selection for this reaction, nicely done. I find that I am unable to contain my loquaciousness, thus leading me to split my comment into two, sorry. Echoing what’s been said here already, and what will doubtlessly be said on youtube, Spider-Man 3: The Messiest, is nigh universally regarded as the weakest of the Raimi Spider-Man trilogy. To save time on relaying the popular complaints and criticisms of the film, I refer you to the youtube channel How it Should Have Ended and their video of Spider-Man 3 which about sums it up. In my opinion, it holds up well given its reputation. I'm genuinely quite pleased to see you quite liked it. One of the bright spots that most everyone agrees on is Sandman. Thomas Haden Church is massively underrated. The scene where he’s reborn, so to speak, is a beautiful, beautiful scene. The bulk of the criticisms are focused on two things primarily. First, as he was called back then, Emo Peter. Now he seems to be called Bully Maguire. I still say Emo Peter. That scene in the streets, I have never been able to defend. Every time I try, I devolve into a fit of giggles. Over the last sixteen years, I have seen many reactions to Emo Peter looking like, as you put it, “Bad news rocking the bangs!” dancing in the streets. Your reaction, Jess, blew all of them out of the water. I was laughing so hard I had tears in my eyes. The second primary criticism was the portrayal of Venom. The hype played a part. I myself was hyped as Venom is one of my favorite comic book villains. I’ve always stuck up some for Topher Grace in this. I concede that if we’re going by comic accuracy, it does disappoint. Looking at it through the lens of Eddie being Peter without a moral compass, then Topher is great in the role. The scenes where Venom is in full force, I was just happy to see him brought to the big screen, even if I do freely acknowledge it could have been done better. Still bummed that Gwen Stacey and her dad are underutilized as they are, particularly seeing they got Bryce Dallas Howard and James Cromwell for the roles. Both are still great. Likewise, it feels like J. Jonah Jameson got a touch shortchanged, though J. K. Simmons remains brilliant in the role, especially the scene that shows that hamtastic though he is, he has his standards damn it. I love that you continue to live for him. I also love continuing to see your love for Aunt May. It gets me right in the heart seeing you express the appreciation for Ursula. Also, great to see Willem Dafoe pop up again. As was Bruce Campbell. Very mysterious how he popped up as three separate people. And of course, the great cameo from Stan the man, himself.

Thomas Corp

As to the emotional crux of things, yeah, it’s difficult. To paraphrase our beloved Green Goblin, “Messiness, messiness, messiness that’s what we’ve chosen.” Suddenly the House of the Messy doesn’t seem all that messy. Second thought, nah, that show is messier. I loved how you really dived into all of it, even the love pentagon, which is a succinct way to put it, yes. It is left ambiguous how much effort was made by Peter. By the same token, Harry may have rejected such efforts. You've often spoken of how sometimes people just don’t want to be helped, I think that’s in play here. I appreciated your observations of the romantical conflicts. Considering I have zero romance and/or dating experience, I'm not one to judge, but that stood out even when I first saw the film as a dumb sixteen-year-old kid. Difficult to say whose side to take. You raise an excellent point that Peter’s letting the fame go to his head, thus not considering a few things. You also noted, and I agree, the advice he was offering to Mary Jane wasn’t bad advice. I know what you mean that sometimes people just want to be upset, and I think Peter failed to recognize that in this scenario. Now onto the butler scene, this scene is infamous. Again, the How it Should Have Ended sums it up well. They've said it’s supposed to be a mental projection of Harry’s which just raises FURTHER questions. You are FAR from the only one who had questions about that scene. Part of the problem was that it was supposed to be Gwen who was abducted at the end, and it was supposed to be Mary Jane who convinced Harry to help Peter. I don’t know how much of it got filmed, but there’s a line in the trailer that was from it, which was Mary Jane saying, “We’ve all done terrible things to each other. But we have to forgive each other, or everything we ever were, will mean nothing.” Your reaction to Harry and Peter teaming up was SO FANTASTIC, Jess. It was similarly a striking moment of the reaction to Harry’s mortal wound and subsequent death. That got me. I said, “Right, well there’s that emotional dam crumbling. And now here come the tears.” The ending caught me off guard when I first saw it, but I quickly grew to appreciate it for its quiet nature; how human it was. The reaction to this and the previous Raimi films were so terrific, Jess. I thank you so much for them, and I am looking forward to your future reactions in this Spider-Man spring.

Ryan
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It also helps that Church literally looks EXACTLY like Flint from the comics come to life. I actually gasped out loud seeing him in the shirt the first time.