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Rebels 1x05&1x06 Full Reaction! (Patreon)

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2023-03-28 13:04:33
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Star Wars Rebels 1x05/1x06 Full Reaction

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Ryan

During those few weeks between the Grand Inquisitor getting stabbed on Obi Wan and then being revealed to have survived it, a whole bunch of fans were LOSING THEIR FUCKING MINDS over how the show was supposedly removing Rebels from canon by killing him before the time when he appeared on this show. As one of those who always assumed that would get resolved somehow (at the very least, the Obi Wan GI could have been revealed as just another member of the same species, since it's not even like it was the same actor), I was thoroughly amused the whole time.

Saltire

Ezra getting the same training Luke did (and failing too!) when he was on Dagobah. At least Luke was on the ground, whilst its a bit more dangerous up in the clouds! Chopper gleeful he almost kills Ezra, twice, what a little skallywag! He might be the 'shadiest' of the bunch too! As you can see by my avatar here, he is my favourite droid. :D The Ghost is such a cool ship, and having a dropship on it too (the Phantom) for missions like this, makes it so versatile too, despite it being a big beast. Love Ezra's reactions to Kanan's force abilities this ep. You can visibly see him mouth "wow" when Kanan does the mind trick on the stormtroopers. And you can see him smile at how cool some of his other moves are too. Luminara was with Yoda on Kashyyyk in Episode III. Yoda got out, but we never saw what happened to her. She obviously got captured and killed judging by the events later here. There are a couple of hints that Luminara isn't alive before and as the crew reach her. First there is a mention of the Stygian System, and that is clearly a reference to Greek Mythology about the River Styx, which was the river that transported the recently dead to the underworld. Then when Kanan and Ezra reach her cell, Kanan's shadow can be seen to be cast behind Luminara, whilst she has none, indicating she's a hard hologram set up as a trap by the Grand Inquisitor. Speaking of the Grand Inquisitor, Jason Isaacs nails him beautifully. I didn't mind Rupert Friend's version of the character in the Kenobi series, but Isaacs is the real deal. This was the first time we saw the Inquisitor sabres do all their tricks. They are cool and against inexperienced padawans like Ezra, scary and effective. Against someone more experienced though, they just look like toys. We can see Kanan's self-doubt about his abilities as a teacher surface here. There have been several scenes in earlier episodes when it comes to teaching Ezra, where we see that doubt; and it comes to a head here. He was only a padawan when Order 66 happened, the same age as Ezra, so his own training is incomplete. However they can get better and learn things together. Imo Kanan and Ezra have the best Master/Padawan relationship we've seen in Star Wars; and it starts here as Kanan realises Yoda's message about trying. You do or you don't as a Jedi. Onto the sixth episode, and you are right Jess it is a bit reminiscent of the TCW episode The Box, and Kevin Kiner the series composer for both shows, uses leitmotifs from that episode here. Btw on the music, there is a lot of John Williams original trilogy nods in season 1, but from then on Kiner and his crew produce some outstanding music, and imo, Rebels is their magnum opus, it just gets better and better, as the show does too. Ezra using his precognition well though he can't show any other force abilities here during the tests for sure, or else blow the mission. What the hell did Sabine put on Chopper for his imperial getup? Tar!?! :D Kanan showing worry and impatience for Ezra during this mission - that's not the Jedi way, he has been living this outcast life for a while so has forgotten some of that training. Haha yeah stormtroopers miss a lot! If the kids here can shoot better than them, what does that tell us? They need better helmets! :D I always think Mandalorian helmets would be the worst though, you would have no peripheral vision at all! There is also a subtle hint here about a difference between the Empire and later Rebellion. In the Empire you are encouraged to think of yourself and achieve victory by any means necessary, and that includes stepping on your fellow imperials. With our Ghost crew here and later Rebel Alliance, its about working together to bring down the Empire. The Empire it seems is built in the Emperor's image, very Sith-like. Love that interaction between Leonis and Kallus about podracer parts. Kallus does not seem the type at all to be into all that! :D Ezra showing how adaptable he is when plans go south, he's very quick at changing things up when he needs to. Suppose that comes with having to fend for himself for years, and seeing how his fellow Spectres operate. Hera and Kanan manage to destroy that giant kyber crystal the Empire wanted. More on that later, though it can be guessed at what its purpose was for.

Ryan
>>105074412

Also a sign of just how brittle and shortsighted fascism always is, as you have to wonder if those instructors have any concept of what a bad idea it is to deliberately train soldiers to not trust each other and betray each other at the first opportunity. While I don’t think anything has officially been said about it, sometimes I wonder how much the show’s writing was influenced by Freddie Prinze Jr.’s lifelong anti-gun activism after his father committed suicide with one when he was a baby.

Thomas Corp

Damn it, you beat me to The Shady Bunch joke. I kept singing that throughout the reaction whenever you commented on the shadiness. Chopper may be the shadiest. When you mentioned “Chopper’s quite the taunter.” I chimed in with “Yes, but is he John Cleese with an OUTRAGEOUS French accent level of taunter?” The thing is, he just might be. The first episode is great in showcasing the beginning of Ezra’s training. I love how they actually dive into the famous “Do or do not. There is no try.” and how they admit that the line is a touch enigmatic. The ultimate answer that’s provided to it was nice. Yes, it is sad about Luminara, not tremendously surprising though it was. The Grand Inquisitor is most certainly a formidable foe, and Jason Issacs is superb in the role. Really when is Jason ever bad in anything? It's for this reason that fans were upset when he was not brought into the Obi-Wan show, made more notable by Jason himself said in the past he would have gladly done so, though I’ve since heard there were scheduling conflicts, and I also wonder if covid restrictions had something to do with it. As it is, I enjoyed Rupert Friend in the role. Hard to top Jason though. I love how he gets under Kanan’s skin by correctly observing that he is making a poor showing in utilizing Soresu, and that he expertly combats against that with Makashi. The second episode is great with the showcasing of the Imperial training. You mention how a lot of it resembles the one arc in Clone Wars, I suspect that’s deliberate. I had a laugh when you observed how the training has it so you have to hit the target, and I quipped, “It does run contrary to the stormtroopers usual reputation, yes.” It’s nice to see Ezra team up with the other cadets. I love that you’re saying your heart goes out to a lot of the characters. It's making me so happy to see and hear you invest in this show as you are this early in the show. You say, “I’m going to get emotional!” I quote Count Dooku in response by saying, “This is just the beginning!” Thank you for a most lovely reaction to Rebels, Jess.

Thomas Corp
>>105074412

In the comic book adaptation of Revenge of the Sith, they even show Luminara’s death. I don’t know if the death as portrayed there carried over. It is ultimately a moot point as the fact remains, she is dead here. I remember first hearing Jason Issacs would be part of Star Wars and I got so excited. He is wonderful as the Grand Inquisitor. Yeah, there’s plenty of self-doubt with Kanan largely stemming from the trauma of Order 66. It does lead to a truly great master and apprentice relationship between him and Ezra. Sabine probably did use tar on Chopper. I think the music in the first season is a similar thing to 3PO and R2 appearing when they did. They hook you in with the utilization of John Williams, and then once they have the audience, Kevin Kiner starts pulling out the big guns with his own original compositions. There are quite a few Sith elements that bleed into the Empire. You are correct on that. Kanan, being worried and impatient with Ezra, shows how the Jedi are still human, and that it’s sometimes easier said than done when it comes to practicing what one preaches. I'd say if one recognizes it and strives to do better, it’s not the worst thing in the world. You’re probably right about the Mandalorian helmets. Mando always does the full body turn, even when he took the helmet off during his mission with Mayfeld. I see Ryan’s pondering about if Freddie Prinze Jr’s anti-gun activisim influenced the show in any way. That thought never crossed my mind before, though in thinking about it now, it would not surprise me if that did factor into the show some.

Thomas Corp
>>105065196

I too knew they’d resolve the Grand Inquisitor discrepancy and waited to see how they’d do it. The fun part was keeping quiet with fans who hadn’t seen Rebels before and dancing around the issue like a Sith dances around the truth and/or finds creative ways to avoid lying.

Ryan
>>105074412

At the very least, I have to imagine he was drawn to the role of a Jedi due to how unlikely it was that the character would ever use a blaster.

Saltire
>>105065196

Nobody has any patience to let a story run its course before the end, so too many get wound up something rotten by the least little thing. The writers of Obi-Wan specifically said they'd respect the lore, and that's what they did.

Saltire
>>105074412

Its a good point Ryan about fascism, and with here a Sith Regime. Such a regime cannot possibly exist long due to its inherent destructive nature. For all their plotting over 1000 years, this second Sith Empire only last 36 years with Palpatine directly and then another 2 or 3 years in the sequels as he is reborn. In the grand scheme of things, that is nothing, though of course it does devastate the galaxy, and had one or two things more gone the Empire's way, who knows how much longer it would have lasted. It was never going to last hundreds of years though; for all the Empire's might, they can't control everyone or everything, especially when the populus has enough. That's pretty awful to hear about what happened to Freddie Prinze, and these things experienced at any time throughout our lives, especially when very young, can influence the person we will become. I have another story of another fairly famous actor (who is the star in the final season of a show airing this week) who had a similar experience when he was a kid, and I cannot imagine what he or Freddie went through. Having said that, Kanan does kill 5 stormtroopers in the opening episode with his blaster! :D However, he has lived this exiled life as an outlaw for 12 years plus at this point (and 14 since his own Order 66), so its natural his weapon of choice is currently a blaster. However as he now has a Jedi Apprentice of his own, he is going to have to reconnect to the life of a Jedi too throughout all this. And finally yes, I believe Freddie had some say over his character in the show; I know for a fact he did later on have a major influence on some of Kanan's arcs. Filoni has always been good with his actors though, he was like that with Ashley, Matt and Sam Witwer in Clone Wars, so its obvious this would continue here, especially in a more character-driven show like Rebels.

Saltire
>>105074412

Jess don't read this part!!!!! Yes Thomas, we'll get into it more as Jess continues with the series, but one of the reasons I love Kanan in particular, is he is a very human Jedi who has faults, regrets and sorrows, and without the support of the Jedi Order, has to work through them to become a better mentor for Ezra and push himself forward as a Jedi.

Saltire
>>105079415

I remember going on a course at college several years back, as I had kind of lost my way a bit and it was about regaining self-esteem and confidence. In one of the first talks, we were given words to discuss, and whether they had positive or negative connotations. One of these words was 'try', and pretty much everyone went with it being a positive thing; however when it was looked at you could see the negative aspects of it, and the lesson here Kanan learns throughout this episode about not truly believing in himself if he merely 'tries' with Ezra. Interestingly however, it was used in Andor where Cassian listens to Nemik's manifesto about rising up to take on the Empire and that they have to 'try'. How to interpret that though is up for debate. Yes Friend was fine as the GI, but Isaacs makes him a terrific villain. The man is great in everything, and I hope we see him again in live Star Wars, perhaps as a certain blue guy? He'd be terrific in that. We can also see just how out of kilt with a lightsabre Kanan is at this time. He probably hasn't used it in anger in years out of fear of revealing himself. Even when he did in the pilot episode, we could see he was a bit clumsy reflecting the blaster bolts back suggesting it had been a while. With the GI on his an Ezra's tail, he will have to brush up on all that.

Thomas Corp
>>105079415

Right, though the word “try” is often seen as positive, it can have negative connotations as explored here, which contrasts to Nemik’s manifesto in Andor. Certainly, it can be looked at in different ways. I love the line in One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest, “But I tried, didn't I? Goddamn it, at least I did that.” If you’ve ever seen the film The Death of Stalin, both Jason Issacs and Rupert Friend are in it, and they have at least one shared scene which is made more humorous knowing both actors portray the Grand Inquisitor. The idea of Jason as a certain Star Wars character does sound most agreeable. That's something I like about Kanan, and something I really liked in the Obi-Wan show is that they realistically showcase how a Jedi, even one as powerful as Obi-Wan struggles to get back in the game after years of being out of practice, particularly when it comes to using a lightsaber.

Saltire
>>105079415

Oh its been years since I've seen One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest, though its one of these films, like the Elephant Man or King Kong, that I can't watch now, as I just feel so sorry and sad throughout it. And yes I've seen the Death of Stalin a couple of years ago as I am a huge Armando Iannucci fan, and it has a tremendous cast in it of brilliant character actors (Simon Russell Beale as Beria is a fave of mine in particular), and yes thats bringing back memories too of the scene with Friend and Isaacs (who is hilarious in it), and I like little nods like that when there is links between actors either playing the same role, or appearing in a couple of different things together, or with someone who links them (like the old Oracle Of Bacon site I used to love where you could type in any actor and actress, and how they'd link back to Kevin Bacon!). Need to watch Death Of Stalin again soon sometime, quality film. Yes both Obi-Wan and Kanan I've always thought had similar struggles. Kanan is less experienced at dealing with them, and Obi-Wan somehow held it together during the Clone Wars; but we see even someone like him, and Ahsoka in Tales Of The Jedi; two people with tremendous willpower, be devastated with what happened. How could you not be? And to me this humanises them even more (I know Ahsoka is an alien but you know what I mean!), and Kanan has a lot of issues to overcome. Being rusty with a lightsabre too speaks of the mental block Kanan and even the mighty Obi-Wan had to overcome. I'd love to go into all that a bit more, but we are early in the series yet and can discuss that more as Jess progresses.

Thomas Corp
>>105079415

One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest, The Elephant Man and King Kong, though I love all of them, yeah, they are quite emotionally taxing. All of them are films where you have to get in the right headspace to watch. Another such film like that is Once Were Warriors starring Rena Owen and Temuera Morrison; you have to really prep before you sit down and watch that one as it’s not for the faint of heart. My brother and I are big Iannucci fans and recommend his work to those who haven’t seen it. Simon Russell Beale as Beria was a standout of The Death of Stalin. My brother and I especially loved Jason Issacs and Michael Palin in the film. It is a great film. I remember well the Oracle of Bacon. Yes, it’s the shared theme of despite a Jedi’s powers, they are still mortal men and women who can still fall victim to being overwhelmed by devastation and trauma, and it’s seeing them overcome that, and in the process become stronger and wiser because of it, that makes their journeys so great. And yes, we have time to get more into it as Jess continues the journey through Rebels, which given the views the first reaction has on youtube, seems a pretty safe bet we will see Jess go through the whole journey. It will be wonderful.

YodatheHobbit

Good stuff! It's so interesting in my head now rewatching this series, trying to merge to personalities of Jason Issacs voice acted performance as The Grand Inquisitor along with Rupert Friends' from Obi-Wan as one. I think they both did a good job, but Issacs just feels much more sinister and intimidating. Maybe if we were able to see him fight in Obi-Wan? I did have a good long time personally before I sort of merged both live action and animated Anakin's in my head as one character too though in the past, so I hope it'll come with time.

YodatheHobbit

No spoilers or specifics of what I'm referring to, but man oh man she's gonna FLIP. HER. SHIT. when a character she's recently grown familiar with suddenly pops up in an episode soon. 😱😱😱😱😱😱 Edit: ....an episode of The Mandalorian.