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The Last of Us 1x09 Full Reaction! (Patreon)

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2023-03-14 17:41:12
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The Last of Us 1x09 Full Reaction

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Thomas Corp

Well, I do hope that Rocco is ok. It was no bother with the delay. Onto the episode. Start by talking about Ellie’s mom. I knew that Ashley Johnson would be in this, and I knew that she would be playing Ellie’s mom. Though I've not played the game, I am aware that Ashley was Ellie in the game. I was most looking forward to seeing Ashley in this as I've been a fan of her work for quite some time now. She did a most excellent job of getting me to cry in her scenes in this show. She got me bad. It's amazing how good a job the show did in conveying Ellie being subdued as she was was a sign that she was traumatized as she was. It's interesting in that it puts you, or at least put me in Joel’s place in that at the start of the show, I'm thinking Ellie’s a smartass kid who I'm begging for her to shut the fuck up. Come this episode with her being subdued, I was with Joel trying to get her to at the very least smile. I was even saying, “Come on, Ellie, let’s see a smile. Smile, goddamn it!” Like you said, given what Ellie went through, it’s easier said than done in cheering her up, though the giraffe sure did the trick. Your own reaction to the giraffe was adorable. Now onto the big talking point of the episode. I had been thinking since around the midpoint of the season that we don’t know for a fact the plan will work or what it precisely entails; they’re operating on a pipedream. Thus, it wasn’t tremendously surprising that they were wanting to kill Ellie to obtain a cure. I think there was no right answer. I think neither side was right, yet they weren’t altogether wrong either. I think Joel was being selfish in disregarding the needs of the many in favor of the needs of the few, or the one. I also think Marlene and the fireflies were acting quite extremist in that one, they don’t know for a fact it will work, and two, they were just going to go all in on cutting up Ellie’s brain without testing or even experimenting first. I get they might not have had the necessary equipment to do so, even so. Marlene accusing Joel of robbing Ellie of the choice is where she loses the argument some in that she didn’t give Ellie the choice either. And like you noted, maybe Ellie would have chosen the needs of the many. Maybe she would have sacrificed herself. Perhaps, but the fact that Marlene never gave her the choice to decide strongly hints that they were going to kill her even if she did say no. There's also the question of could they even rebuild society even if they created a cure. Like you, it is difficult to say what I would have done in this scenario. That question, however, is insignificant. What is significant, is like you, I knew what Joel was going to do. And I assume that Marlene either didn’t know about Sarah and/or simply vastly underestimated how strong a bond was forged between Joel and Ellie or else she would have put one right between his eyes or sent a LOT more than two guys to force Joel out. Joel’s as you said, whoopsie-doodle massacre, which I would call Joel’s dies irae was horrifying yet mesmerizing to witness. As to the final scene. Again, I've not played the game, but my guess would be Ellie knows Joel is lying. Or at least she suspects. If I were her, my brain would latch onto the fact that Joel simply said, “I swear” and nothing else. If I'm wrong about that, then I'm wrong. I suspect it is something that comes up in the second game, though again, I don’t know for sure, and I don’t want to know so that I can simply enjoy it when it comes up in the subsequent seasons of the show. Assuming of course that it does in fact come up in the show. Until the next season, I am going to miss sharing the show with you as this was a most wonderful time sharing it with you. Of course, I know you’re likely happy for the reprieve of being in a puddle of tears on Monday mornings. In any case, I thank you very much for the most lovely time sharing this show with you, Jess.

DieWinterkirsche

Hopefully Rocco is alright! :) IMO Joel did nothing wrong (except maybe lying to Ellie - but even then he wanted to save her from more trauma in that moment)... And since Ellie made plans for AFTER the whole procedure, she wanted to live. And the funny thing is when Joel wanted to leave with Ellie, Marlene replied to Joels "You don´t decide for her" with "Neither do you!"... That response doesn´t work since SHE (and the other Fireflies) didn´t ask her in the first place... If Marlene was so sure that Ellie would sacrifice herself, she would´ve ask her! Also, I think there is another interpretation to Ellies "swear"-scene... I think after all the Trauma, Ellie wants to believe Joels lie, since the truth must be so much worse - and she needed that extra reassurance from Joel to keep going. I mean she definitely knows something is off...

Caomhan84
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I've been "team Joel" for years now. Lying to Ellie was wrong but he was 100% correct for what he did to the fireflies. Not only would they have killed her, they would have killed him and perchance if they had escaped, the fireflies would have pursued them anyway. So the only way to get out of there was what Joel did. The show deliberately framed the whole incident as a "love made Joel selfish" thing. And in fact in the last few days I've seen a bunch of people who haven't played the games say exactly that. But while there was an element of selfishness there, I refuse to believe it was the overriding factor. By saving her, Joel gives Ellie a chance to live. Because her life matters. The purpose of her life isn't just to be the basis for a cure. She's ALIVE. That ALREADY matters.