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Star Trek TNG 3x09 Full Reaction! (Patreon)

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2024-10-26 17:00:06
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Star Trek TNG 3×09 Full Reaction

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Ryan

If this episode had been made in the first two seasons, it would probably come off as above average to really good. But thrown at us after already getting so much exceptional work in Season 3, it can't help coming up short and leaving us with a feeling of "That's it?" Though it certainly helps that we get a big, showy role for Lisa Wilcox, fresh off my choice for the single greatest of all the '80s lock and load montages and the best piece of filmmaking that the oft-derided Renny Harlin has ever done (it's just a shame about the rest of the movie around it, and the one after that). It's fully my personal canon that after finishing her preparations for the assassination, she looked in the mirror and said "Fucking A." The episode also provided another early lesson in filmmaking language when I caught up on the franchise in my early 20s, as it's a rule so ingrained we don't typically think about it that when a character is offscreen, we just accept that they're not doing anything. And so this climax probably could have gotten away with Picard leaving Riker to have his big moment...except that we can fully see him just sitting there and not lifting a finger, seemingly without a care in the world. The director greatly regretted that he didn't fully think through where he was setting up everyone's positions, and even tried to give a story-based explanation for a while before he gave up and said it was just a mistake, Spider-Man Homecoming "eight years later" style. Though I'm sure Riker was just thinking "Had to be me, someone else might have gotten it wrong." (after this week's Agatha, I figured it was only fair that I bring up one of the character deaths that emotionally affected me the most)

Thomas Corp

Yes, a major highlight of Next Gen is the greater ensemble focus where everyone gets time to shine, not just the captain. Contrast to the Original Series, like you said, where Shatner’s hairpiece and ego were MASSIVE, greedy spotlight hogs. Now to the episode. In general, an enjoyable episode. Not one that’ll make it high on the ranking of episodes, yet still reasonably enjoyable. It is nice when Star Trek highlights realistic and difficult negotiations. A fact that you said that you appreciated as well. Kind of figured you’d slightly live for Brull. Joey Aresco did well in the performance. It is great how when Wesley gets insulted, he turned with a “Excuse you, bitch?” look as you put it, whilst Picard had a “That’s my boy you’re insulting there, Sir.” intimidation stare when Brull made fun of Wesley. On the other end of this, I liked Nancy Parsons as Marouk, who, like you said, she seems to be fairly reasonable in the negotiations, whilst occasionally her temper does get the better of her. And to her credit, when Picard makes note of that, she cools down. Lisa Wilcox as Yuta is the big star of the episode. To answer your one ponderous question. Unless I missed a line, it does feel like they were mum on that; whether her genetic alterations were voluntary or involuntary. Feels equally plausible either way, and as you posited, it does feel like the episode wanted to be vague on that so that we decide for ourselves. Her one fatal mistake: She was not prepared for Beverly getting into the mix and observe that “there is some fuckery going on here. Fuckery.” as you described. Yuta fell victim to one of the classic blunders. The most famous is that you never try to outwit Geordi in technical matters. But only slightly less well known is this: Never go about with mysterious medical murder fuckery when Beverly is in the mix. Well shown when she examines Volnoth, who they tell her not to bother. No, we let Beverly try to save Volnoth, as by doing so, it means more of Marc Lawrence, vastly prolific and wonderful character actor that he is. Sadly, he is already dead by the time Beverly beams down. His death is the turning point where things got spicier than the spiciness that the episode already had. I do concede that the infatuation plot was relatively unneeded, yet it does work well, somewhat superfluous though it is. Loved Marina getting the moment where Deanna reads the room and vamooses. The highlight of the infatuation plot is, like you noted, Riker not taking advantage of the power imbalance. Shared appreciation of Riker saying he prefers equals, especially in matters of romance. That’s me as well. The goal in life is to find the woman who is your equal. Mind you, in my case, I think I keep fighting a losing battle in that regard. Or at least, I have thus far been most unsuccessful. By some miracle, maybe someday it will happen. Jonathan sold well that though he did not wish to, he did what needed to be done and kills Yuta to prevent what I assume would be quite the political shitstorm. It brings us to one the episodes major talking points that I see Ryan mentioned. The rather awkward thing of Picard sitting and not doing anything in the climactic scene. The director of the episode takes responsibility for it, saying that he got himself set on a particular image for Yuta’s death, and then when it all came together, realized how it looked bad, but it was too late to change anything. He said, “Believe me, Patrick noticed too. He even asked, “I’m just supposed to sit here and do nothing?” The other problem is what could he do? We knew Riker had to kill the girl and we didn't want to get Picard shot by the phaser.” The mention of what could Picard do is something I latch onto, combined with Picard having faith and trust in Riker, well shown that he instantly knew that Riker had a damn good reason to beam down. Admittedly, it is a big stretch, and as the episode’s director notes, it’s ultimately an occasion where something went bad, and you just accept that. Nice little scene at the end where Picard is a softie by being his usual rank sentimentalist self to Riker. You and I both say it in a good way when we speak of Picard being a rank sentimentalist. All in all, a reasonably enjoyable episode, with a now great reaction. Thanks, Jess.

Thomas Corp
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The episode, like I said, I found to be reasonably enjoyable, though yeah, compared to what we’ve been getting this season, it is on the weaker side of things. Good note on Lisa’s role and her lock-and-load montage. I accept the personal canon. I feel Harlin gets somewhat unfairly derided, in terms of his work, anyway. His films are well directed, he just got stuck with less than spectacular material. Quite enjoy The Long Kiss Goodnight, though there is that MASSIVELY uncomfortable scene that is one of those scenes when you look at it years later, and say, “Yeah. About that...” Die Hard 2, complete fantasy though it is, especially by modern standards, falls victim to what all the Die Hard sequels fell victim to, in that they all fall under the shadow of Die Hard. Though the third one does stand head over shoulders above the other sequels, comes the closest to being as good as the first, is the best one after the first, and is really damn good in its own right. That staging of the scene of Picard, yeah, it does stand out. You mention the film thing of someone offscreen is generally assumed to not be doing anything. Stage is trickier with that with people onstage near constantly. The Menu shows a good demonstration of that as they shot most of the scenes like a play, and when a particular table was focused on, you still see the other tables in the background, and the cast are all staying in character, and performing their own scenes, even though they’re not in focus. Speaking from experience, one of the trickier parts on stage: always keeping your character active more or less at all times, unless a scene allows otherwise. I can imagine the Watsonian justifications, such as the situation is already delicate enough that Picard wouldn’t want to escalate things further. And even then, the justifications are quite the stretch, that you just say, “Yeah, they fucked up there.” Lilia would make the list of most emotionally effecting deaths of television. Likely not cracking top ten, but she’d make a long list. Really do need to commit to giving that more thought somewhere down the line.

Geordie Joe

The captain's log is getting later and later into the episode. I prefer it right at the start as it makes syncing my video up with your reaction much easier. That being said, I do like the intriguing opening scene for this episode. The green lighting effect used always gives me Borg vibes. An animated version of TNG would have been amazing, but there is an animated version of the original series. Star Trek: The Animated Series from 1973. The characters are all voiced by the main cast of TOS. Could be a fun one to react to sometime in the future. There are only 22 episodes of TAS so it wouldn't take too long to get through. I'm guessing that Yuta felt trapped by her mission of revenge to hunt down the members of the Lornak clan. In her eyes, completing that mission was more important than her own life. I doubt she was referring to being trapped as a servant for Sovereign Marouk as she was just using Marouk to get closer to the Lornak clan members that she intended to assassinate. I like how Riker shoots Yuta with his phaser while its set to kill with Picard in direct line of fire. If Yuta had dodged his phaser blast, then Riker could have easily vaporized Picard instead. I'm really looking forward to seeing your next TNG reaction. It's one of my top 5 favourite episodes from season 3 and there is some serious competition for those spots I can tell you.

Dave Sanders

For a special that's going to be unlike anything else you've ever seen, how abooooouuuut... Max Headroom's Giant Christmas Turkey. Easy to find on Youtube.