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Early Access: Amadeus (1984) | Edited Reaction (Patreon)

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2024-01-19 16:00:08
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An odd, yet compelling film! I enjoyed the journey these characters took and while I didn't know what to think of every aspect of this film, it was such a pleasure to watch. At the very least I feel great knowing I've been absolved of my own mediocrity.

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Paul Hess

My favorite movie! Truth be told I probably have about 10 movies that fit into the "my favorite movie" slot, each for their own reasons. My list is bigger on the inside. I'm looking forward to watching along with your reaction this weekend (hopefully there will be a full length reaction uploaded?). From your post comments maybe a mixed reaction which is fine, but hopefully we'll agree it's undeniably well crafted, acted and directed, and of course with wonderful use of music.

g g gooding

Curious side note: looking through posters for the goofy poll-graphic, there were a bunch from the stage-play of Amadeus. It starred (at different times) Ian McKellen, Tim Curry, and Mark Hamell. So...Luke killed Gandalf in the conservatory with the candlestick?

Ryan

Mozart's father is played by Roy Dotrice, who has the world record for playing the most characters in a single story as the narrator of the A Song of Ice and Fire audiobooks. In Game of Thrones he played Pyromancer Hallyne in Season 2, using the same voice as before. But of course, even living to 94 couldn't make him able to finish the series since the last two books continue to not exist.

casualnerdreactions
>>127401145

I just scheduled the times wrong, both are posted now. There wasn't anything I disliked, just so much strangeness I didn't expect or know how to take, if that makes sense. From the eating of the cake at the beginning to the bird opera. 🤣

Ryan

Constanze Mozart seriously deserves her own movie about her life after Wolfgang's death. He'd been drowning in debt for quite a while, and suddenly the legal responsibility for it was thrust onto her at a similar young age. But luckily, her father was a successful businessman who was quite forward-thinking in teaching her the strategies of his work, and so she was able to use those lessons to take control of Mozart's work and make far more money off it than he was ever able to, at a time when women in the business world was something unheard of by most. And she just kept going after paying off all the debt, never losing her touch and ultimately dying as one of the richest people in the world.

Paul Hess
>>127401145

The opera scenes are real, birds and all! I bet that after this movie came out, traditional opera groups were under a lot of pressure to always portray those scenes the same as in the movie, to please the crowd who learned about it that way. (just a guess)

WUStLBear82
>>127402371

Hammell assisted Milos Foreman by reading opposite actresses auditioning to play Constanza, but wasn't cast as Wolfgang because Foreman believed he was too well-known as Luke Skywalker--his career curse outside of voice acting.

WUStLBear82

The concept of the play was to treat Mozart as a rock star: talented middle-class kid achieves success, parties too hard, abuses substances, spends profligately and dies tragically young. In real life Mozart and Salieri apparently had a very cordial relationship. One happy result of the movie's success was that interest in Salieri's music increased and orchestras began playing it again in concerts and recordings.

g g gooding
>>127427557

Your discription of Amadeus is on point...and also describes Lisztomania (75) which is a "biopic" of Franz Liszt and his contentious relationship with Wagner. But... Lisztomania is bats*** insane...Amadeus is (excellent , but...) very tame in comparison. I don't know what you like - I *LOVE* Lisztomania...but I'm bats*** insane, tbf.

Charity Konusser (the chonus)

I saw McKellen and Curry in these roles on Broadway, so it's difficult for me to make a fair assessment of the movie. I stage managed a production in college, which was a terrific experience -- it's such a different vibe.

Charity Konusser (the chonus)
>>127402371

Hamill did play Mozart on Broadway in Amadeus - he was one of the replacements after Curry left. Seven different actors played Mozart in the course of the original run of Amadeus and seven different actors played Salieri in the original run.

g g gooding
>>127440522

Can't begin to say how jealous I am of you. Curry giggling with McKellen glowering...that's some magic.

Charity Konusser (the chonus)
>>127440522

I was very very lucky to grow up 20 minutes from Broadway in a time when professional theater was financially accessible to most people. I think I probably paid $15-$18 to see Amadeus in 1982 - around $50 today. Probably would have paid even less at TKTS if they happened to have a seat going spare. And yeah, having Ian McKellen address you directly and take you into his confidence as if you were a co-conspirator was really something -- in the play, there's no priest character taking Salieri's confession; all of his soliloquies are directed to the audience. (I also miss the Venticelli when watching the movie.)

Paul Hess
>>127440522

Wow Charity I’m amazed at your experiences. Super jealous. How could God decide to give you such background and leave me mute, able to appreciate your experiences but unable to touch them? … my admiration is sincere, and the rest is my feeble attempt to echo Salieri’s dialog from the script …

Tom Servo

The mid/late 80's kinda went hard on Mozart as subject matter. Between this movie and Falco in the mids, and then Bill & Ted in '89, you couldn't throw a rock in the zeitgeist without hitting Mozart.

Paul Hess
>>127412510

That's super interesting. Stanzi comes off as a complicated and important character in the director's cut who you can imagine becoming successful as she grows. In the theatrical version I never liked her and I know now that its because they cut out parts would help us understand her.

Tom Servo
>>127462469

From a pure sociology point of view, I've always been absolutely fascinated with trends and memes (as originally used by Dawkins in 1976). It's riveting to me to look back at various forms of art medium and, with the gift of hindsight, see certain pocket eras where this or that subject matter was the "hot" thing. Anything from this trend in modern rock music, to that trend in 80's horror film, to this other trend in 90's television SitComs. Whatever. We can make some educated forensic guesses as to why in hindsight, and once you start factoring in psychology and the events and culture of the time it becomes almost obvious, but I find it incredibly interesting to try and recognize and analyze those types of things as they're unfolding in real time. If art does imitate life, then I think there's a whole lot to be learned about ourselves as a collective culture by what catches on in the now. For example, one could argue that we've seen a huge cultural denial of science over the past few decades, but in the past ten years we've seen record-breaking biopic films about Turing, Hawking, and Oppenheimer. I s'pose one should include Hidden Figures in that grouping. Does the fact that these movies were made, and so successful as entertainment, indicate a subtle paradigm shift back towards an acknowledgement and appreciation of the sciences in the collective consciousness of American culture? I certainly don't know the answer, but it's fascinating to me to try and discern the memetic patterns and posit their significance. (Yeah, I have weird hobbies. lol)