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Angel || 3x22 || Discussion (Patreon)

Published:
2022-09-07 17:30:01
Imported:
2023-03

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3x22: "Tomorrow"

Next: Buffy 6x19 on Sat 9/10


uhhhhhhh... YEAH, that was certainly a finale where things happened 😀 ...Did Cordy seriously just ascend into the sky to become a higher being while Angel's son put him in a box and threw him into the ocean as they were about to meet to profess their love to each other..? please say sike right now 😐

GOODNESS, this finale was pretty bonkers wild, and while watching it was a lot of fun.. but thinking more about it, I can't help but be a little bit let down by the finale. Just felt so off compared to the rest of the season, but maybe thats just me! Definitely let me know what y'all think! 

Hope yall enjoy the end of season 3! :D

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Comments

Ray D

I’m not sure the Cordelia storyline works at the end but the two major storylines of the season were, Holtz’s revenge plan on Angel and Darla’s pregnancy that turns into Connor. And I think this wraps those up very well. This is the culmination of Holtz’s plan against Angel. He faked that he was murdered by Angel to convince Connor to fully turn on his real dad and that plan works to perfection. And that ending with Angel sinking down to the bottom of the ocean is an amazing image. I love it. And it makes a great cliffhanger for the next season. Groos realization that Cordy doesn’t love him is well done and been building up. And the Wesley/lilah hookup is amazing. When she says, “try to to think of me when I’m gone” and he responds with, “I wasn’t thinking of you when you were here” is one of the best lines in the buffyverse for me. What a cold hearted burn of a response. My major complaints are that Gunn and Fred are underused and the Cordy thing is weird. But they really pay off the Angel/Holtz/Connor thing in a big way that I find satisfying. Oh and since you asked at the end, Season 5 is my favorite season of Angel.

Armando Antunez

I can’t believe we are here! What a ride it’s been! Excited for the ending of Buffy season 6. Buckle up, lady, because it’s gonna be quite a ride 😎 Angel season four is…interesting, to say the least. I’ll go with interesting 🫢

tc3

On my initial viewing, at the time of the original airing, I thought this was the most disappointing finale I had ever seen. I’ve seen worse (on other shows) since, but my opinion of this episode has not changed for the better over time and unfortunately it does taint the season a bit for me. I agree with much of what Alley had to say, but I personally think Cordelia has the weakest arc of the season. Her becoming a higher being could’ve worked for me, but unfortunately just like everything else in her arc this season it came out of nowhere without much build up. There’s a skeleton of a pretty great arc. Inciting incident = the visions’ toll (which I don’t think technically happens in “That Vision Thing”), plot point one = Cordelia chooses to become part demon, plot point two = deus ex Cordelia (the scope of her newfound powers), climax = higher being. But then the writers either forgot or chose not to flesh out her story, to connect those beats. When I think of Angel season three I think about the Darla trilogy, the The Father Will Kill the Son trilogy, both of which I loved, this finale and Cordelia’s arc, both of which I find disappointing. But to be fair I have higher expectations for character work and season long arcs on JW shows than I do for most other shows.

Phoenix Dawn

I think Angel's willingness to accept Connor coming home is his wish fulfilling and he had that letter from Holtz. And others try not to break his heart maybe? But you are right lol. This was the weirdest finale but I was somewhat okay with it when I first watched but also super frustrated ahah.

FandomReferenceHere

Oh, it’s a rough ride on the Cangel ship. I like this episode a lot in the overall context of the entire series. I like Cordy floating up and Angel sinking down and Fred and Gunn looking around the empty lobby. But as a season finale, it’s a really frustrating cliffhanger! Wesley continues to be my favorite character in the Buffyverse 😁

FandomReferenceHere

I think Angel and Co think that Connor’s sudden change is understandable, because Holtz told Connor in the letter that this is what Holtz wanted. They know Connor idolized Holtz so maybe he’d be OK with his new Angel-dad just because Holtz told him it was his place. But I agree with Alley; it would have been really good if Gunn said “Are we sure Connor is really happy to be here?” and Fred replied “Well, it’s what Holtz wanted, so maybe he’s willing to give it a shot.” I think it’s an editing problem really. We heard the Holtz Letter at the end of the last episode and we’re supposed to realize that to Angel, it means what it says, but to Connor, it is a message about avenging Holtz, remembering what Holtz taught him, and destroying Angel. That was like a week ago. We needed to hear the letter again in this episode to hear it from Connors POV.

Alex

Anddddd so the stage has been set for the BEST season of Angel. 🤣😂 IDC what people say...fight me.

Will
>>91333202

Agreed. Angel s4 is my favorite season of the entire Buffyverse. So damn good.

Ron Fehr
>>91314231

I have a feeling that it may have been a coded letter for Conner. Why would Holtz write those words and then have Justine impale his neck. My thinking is that he was still holding a grudge against Angel. He was just good af hiding it.

TheEvilSmurf42

Hoping Alley is doing okay after the episode she just watched...

KT

Connor's character arc the past 3 episodes has been incredibly difficult to watch, but I appreciate that just from a realism standpoint. The show is taking the fact that he grew up in a hell dimension INCREDIBLY seriously, to the point that it's downright nauseating to watch... which would be the case for someone who experienced that level of trauma at every stage of their development. There's an additional subtle aspect of the whole Holtz departure/letter thing that is easy to overlook, and that's that even if Holtz had meant everything he said in the letter and just left instead of died, he would still have been abandoning his son. I assume Stephen believed that the letter was in fact from Holtz, but the lies Holtz told him weren't exactly as uplifting as they were to Angel and to us. In Stephen's eyes, his father abandoned him before dying. The only person Stephen has ever known, the only source of love he's ever felt, the only guidance he trusts in this world... his father can just up and leave him because (according to Holtz) Stephen deep down wanted to seek out his other father. Holtz said it in a caring tone, but he essentially said Stephen brought this on himself by opening himself up even a little bit to someone else. Even worse, that it was in Stephen's nature to do so because he's the spawn of two demons. Holtz, knowingly or not, trapped his son in a mental prison by leaving him with absolutely NOTHING to trust or lean on, not even a stable value system, since the one Holtz taught him is based on hatred. Stephen/Connor can't even trust himself, because Angel is a part of him and he "allowed" all this to happen by being vulnerable to his love. How does one even begin to work through that? Like I said, horrifying to watch, even more horrifying to parse out all the implications. But it feels true to what a person in Connor/Stephen's situation would be like irl.

KT
>>91529091

Also the fact that Stephen has to abandon his own name and go by Connor is meaningful and kind of fucked up. An already deeply unstable psyche and now he can't even hold on to his identity? Him choosing to go by Connor (fake or not) is even more troubling tbh.

Bisibia

Im real late here... but I just gotta say, I think this is worst finale they've done in the whole Buffyverse. Every other one was either conclusive, tying a bow on the season, or leads us into a new interesting story. But leading us to a story where Angel is in the ocean and Cordy is in the sky... put it this way, why would we be excited to see a show where our 2 main characters cant interact with each other, or for that matter, anyone else? The strength of these shows is their relationship dynamics... this feels like it's undoing so much work to put them together.

Michael Roach

I like this episode. It's a cliffhanger not a season finale. It's meant to leave you hanging, not give you a definitive ending. It's supposed to bring you back next year to see how they get out of this (jf they get out of this), not tie everything up in a nice bow for you. On those grounds I thought this episode delivered.