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Reaction to Zuzu Angel (Patreon)

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2022-03-20 23:55:38
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Anonymous

To end the dictatorship, one agreement was made to pardon all the crimes for both sides. Of course, this interested the militaries more. My mom fought these fuckers. Nowadays, some young people don't believe torture happened. And the other day at work, a guy told me the same speech as the priest in the movie. My mom deserved what happened with her.

Anonymous

14:14 Having a Socialist, Leftist or Communist son was the biggest fear of my grandparents generation. People were terrified to death that such a thing would happen to them. We already had in Brazil authoritarian Governments who would persecute and even kill people(like happened with João Pedro before the dictatorship). The thing about the military dictatorship that we didn't have with previous authoritarian governments in Brazil, was the willingness of hurting anybody to sustain the regime. For example, during the 30's, the political tension in Brazil was as big as ever as far as Communists/Conservatives goes. Back then we had the third largest Communist party in the world after the Soviet Union and China and had a true leader, Luís Carlos Prestes who was a factual threat to Getúlio Vargas(who just had made a coup to kick the old Brazilian elite in the balls, but was allied with both fascists and socialists for doing so, latter turned on the communists). Even Vargas would try to spare students, scientists, intellectuals and valuable people to the country(in his mind, also people high in the class hierarchy). The thing about the dictatorship that shocked people so much, was how they were up to getting rid of anyone or anything that posed the slightest threat to them. Did we have Censorship under Vargas? We did, but not to the point the military Dictatorship imposed. If you were a Communist, but holded an important job in the government, they would have your back, etc. The military didn't play these games. Even if you were a moderate leftist like yourself or even me, that wants to change things democratically, that was already enough for the military. The bare minimum it would happen to you it's losing your job, even for having personal opinions. 26:50 - I agree with you 100% man. I have my strong convictions, but in that context of 1964 with both the national armed forces and the USA hunting communists all over South America... no way I would have the balls to do what these kids of MR-8 were doing back then, most of them were college kids or young scientists. The armed resistance against the dictatorship was 80% intellectuals and if much, 20% of former military and diverse criminals who converted to revolutionaries(that happened in every revolution that ever existed, no moralism here). If I was living in Brazil during those days, I would 100% be one of the guys who bounced from Brazil, even having my convictions. I'm not revolutionary material, even being deeply grateful that there were people who stood up even with so many unfavorable conditions against them. They didn't win, but it was so important to bring down the dictatorship. By the latter years, everybody had enough of so much violence, censorship and impunity within the Government and the brutal repression against insurgents who were claiming the return to legality was a part of that terrible PR. 39:36 It was so rough back then. Me as a Brazilian national, get me thinking what would I do as a parent in such a situation. I couldn't reach the revolutionaries, who were classified by the Government and the US as terrorist groups, meaning their say on the matter wouldn't be accepted even by international groups. And if I tried to contact leftist parties in other countries like Mexico or France, I would be considered an enemy of the state and then I would be in deep shit myself too. I can totally get that a parent would be so desperate and humiliate themselves to the people that would like nothing better than to kill your son, like you said yourself, but in the hope of guaranteeing any mercy to him at all. And we had secret communists and leftists everywhere in Brazil, in government and such. But these people were extremely discrete or were keeping their mouth shut, like you saw in The Day That Lasted 21 Years, the military had a extensive spying network within the government itself and in the major companies and corporations of the country, so even political lunch talk could get you in trouble if somebody snitched on you. 30:17 That would be standard procedure for anyone in Brazil that would have good connections. I believe some episodes ago in Sopranos, Carmela mentioned that Italians had a costume to ask special favors for people in power, that is a VERY old costume that goes back to the Roman Empire days and that all Latin people(Latin in the meaning of descendants of Rome, not Latin America) in the world share. In Brazil, even if you had a son in deep shit, people still would tend to think that if you have the right connections, you could at least guarantee he'll be treated fair, have a trial, etc. And even more in those days where the military controlled every aspect of Government 56:55 These torture techniques were taught by the USA to the Brazilian military in special trainings under the "School of Americas". You can read more about it here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Hemisphere_Institute_for_Security_Cooperation These torture techniques was what the CIA was applying back themselves and they passed that on the the most repressive dictatorships in Latin America(most of which they supported and financed directly). It was much more brutal than this, that's what they could dramatize without getting people actually sick. 1:07:33 Yeah, we have a lot of that, you know. The thing I got from the History of Brazil and the US is, moderate conservatives have a tendency to support or tolerate fascist or neofascist regimes, especially when they are opposing what they consider "radical leftists". I bet that if you took American conservatives and offered what the military was proposing in 1970, I'd say 50% or so would agree somehow. They already say that somehow openly, just imagine under such a regime where moderate right-wingers were being taken out if they even looked like opposition. And shit is so fucked up, because the military who took power in Brazil WAS NOT a fan of the US. Castelo Branco of all of them, was the most pro-US and the hardline took him out of the picture quickly. Every President after him were extremist right-nationalists who had a project of power of their own to control South America and turned on the US on many issues as years followed. I had classes with a Professor in Uni that worked under another professor when I was an undergraduate who is one of the most expert guys on US-Brazil Foreign Relations during the Cold War. That guy defends that the military in Brazil played the US to seize power here, not the opposite. He claims the military was planning an insurgency since 1959 and used the US resources to boast their people and count with the support in case of a civil war. I think it's fair, because like I said, the military turned on the US State Department on so many issues after that and would not even allow that the US built military bases in South America, lobbying the other countries to don't allow it too and later creating the National Atomic Program(also against US agenda). If you are a extreme nationalistic right winger or a fascist, the military regime was everything you could hope for. Only enemies of the state were being persecuted, that's true. But just remember that 80% of the people voted for Jango to have his powers restored and they declared later that such continuous support to the ideals that he represented, would make you an enemy of the state. Even being a moderate left winger who thought we should have democratic elections for mayor, governor or president, that would be considered being an enemy of the state. I blabbed too much, but these particular matters feel like they deserve a more detailed explanation. 1:22:50 It was the Senator Frank Church.

Anonymous
>>80326249

My grandparent was persecuted the hell of the local state government that was connected to the military and 40 years later, he'd still mention stuff he liked from those days, like the nationalistic and industry focused actions of the government. If you really think about it, the economic policy of the military regime was way more leftist that our current government's. But the bitter memory everybody has from those days was such impunity to the criminal military board that ruled the country with iron hand, imposing censorship in pretty much every sphere of the society.

GoonyGoogles
>>80378245

I really do appreciate this context. I read the entirety of your comment when you originally posted it. I forgot to respond. My bad

Anonymous
>>80378245

No problem man, I appreciate you took the time to read it all. Looking forward to the next reaction this month.