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540 - Aaron Burr part 2 - Video (Patreon)

Published:
2022-07-06 12:07:49
Imported:
2022-11

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It's a *chilling* tale

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540 Aaron Burr part 2 Video2

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dan from south jersey

Man this is crazy how much the propaganda runs deep, even siloed within these different founding fathers. Growing up in school they basically painted Burr as a lunatic and a footnote in history.

John Harwood

I may be a total pervert, but D&G writing and performing a hip-hop musical about Aaron Burr is making me slightly…never mind.

Anonymous

Yay, the videos are back! Thanks! Sorry you had to deal with that

Alanna
>>87150459

What kind of lunatic? I’m Canadian, so the musical and the past couple episodes was/is new to me.

Alanna

This is probably the first time I’m glad I didn’t fork out the money to see Hamilton when I had the chance. I happened to be in NYC the same week that was the last for the full original cast. The zeitgeist aspect would have been interesting to experience, but to pay almost $3kCAD to listen that many lies? I dunno, seems like a bad way to blow through dead dad money. At the time, I remember being nervous (as a Black woman) about the trip as a whole due to the political climate *then*. It was the same week as the Alton Sterling/Philando Castile protests and the Dallas police protests. Was also the same week Pokémon GO came out. There was a stampede in Central Park the day after I’d been. I honestly don’t know how I managed to sidestep all of the insanity in the city that week. Anyways, I recall at the time looking into the sources Miranda used and what bits were embellished or untrue. The only things that I remember coming up was the circumstances around the sisters, the nature of Hamilton’s relationship with the friend that died during the Revolutionary War, and some stuff around the Reynolds affair. Plus the usual bit of fudging with some of the timeline. There were no think pieces on it being alternative history, besides the race casting aspect. As much as there’s a lot of miseducation and alt facts there’s, I hope, more awareness of that being the case. At least, I know to try to update myself on things I think I “know” every now and then, with a variety of sources. Is that the silver lining? Bah!

dan from south jersey
>>87150459

I am only speaking on my experience, but growing up in elementary school and middle school in the 90s in southern New Jersey, USA, what I remember is Burr having around a paragraph or two about him in our history books. And it basically only said that he was a power hungry, eccentric politician who killed Hamilton in a duel. Painted him as bloodthirsty. Nothing about his progressive beliefs (for the time), nothing about his accomplishments or policies. This is literally the same thing that happened when we are taught about Benedict Arnold. Completely different picture to what Dave and Gary have brilliantly laid out for us.

dan from south jersey
>>87235039

The crazy thing about this, and Dave highlights it, is that liberals in America love this play against all logic. Liberals were writing pieces gushing about it, and Daily Wire conservative talking head type dopes were writing about how woke it is. I remember conservatives ripping it apart.

Alanna
>>87235039

Was its popularity really that split between party lines though? I didn’t get the impression that it was. I recall a kerfuffle when Pence went to see it, but that was after the election and because of something the replacement cast said to him in front of everyone. I think there’s a clear blind spot as to why people love the play. On the surface there’s the music, the entertainment and talent factor, and the feeling it invokes as an underdog/immigrant story. However, it also creates a safe space to feel patriotic. For BIPOC, as well as those with white guilt. It’s important to note, the musical became *a thing* during Obama’s last year and during 45s campaigning and initial rallies. Liberal’s were still blind to just how much they’d lost the plot. There was a growing vague awareness that racism wasn’t as “over” as believed, but this play with the race casting assuaged that feeling and evened things out a bit. The thing is, the musical does a lot more than accidentally (?!) tell a wholly inaccurate version of history. It heightened and re-legitimized hip hop/rap/RnB to a new level and audience. It’s highlighted and launched numerous BIPOC talent and continues to provide them a platform. It reinvigorated Broadway and the musical genre to reach younger and broader audiences. The grassroots/word of mouth marketing and the outdoor (& posted online) lottery shows (ham4ham) opened up and reached those who had long been priced out of being able to afford tickets to plays and musicals. (While still allowing those with money to feel privileged). It’s unfortunate the musical is actually more of a work of fiction than believed/understood. That said, the broad realization of how inaccurate history has been taught is a more recent thing, I’d say, since spring 2020 and George Floyd. (Along with the misuse of the term “woke”. ;) :P)The irony is, it’s probably in part, due to the musical that more people have an interest and awareness of US history and the constitution now.

Alanna
>>87235039

*A quick google search shows a bunch of articles popped up in summer 2020 about “canceling” Hamilton and criticizing what the musical got wrong. Largely because of fact the film version came out during the “racial reckoning”. Though not as many people will know about those criticisms, at least they’re there and not hidden.

Jesper Ohlsson

Hamilton comes across as a toady shithead from highschool that got re-characterized as a thoughtful, curious and even-tempered A-student.

Anonymous

Burr The Musical absolutely must exist; Gareth has already written half the raps

Angelique Collins
>>87150459

... Y'all, I was unaware of Aaron Burr's identity until The Lonely Island released "Lazy Sunday." Also: I thought Miranda wrote the Broadway musical as an interpretation of the specific book he picked up in the airport while passing time during layover. (Have not read this book; have no clue if the musical strictly followed this book)

MG

Horrifying and fascinating - I loved it!