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Hi everyone and welcome back! OMG, this movie had so much going on! We did enjoy it! Also, sorry for my mess up on Negan from TWD!! Wookie has been watching a lot of Deadwood and I thought he looked like him. Doh! Also, I had to research after watching that Bruce Wayne was yelling, "Jack!" not, "Dad" when the building collapsed. Kim and I kept debating that. LOL! Anywho, love Clark and Lois in this and we get to see Wonder Woman! I had an idea after a while that may be her.. but wanted Mom and Kim to figure it out themselves too :)

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Future_Boy85

Awesome! Can't wait to watch your reactions!

Lee Salvemini

A comic book staple! B man vs S man :D I saw this a long time ago in the cinema. I enjoyed it! So I'm all set for this :D

Daniel R

Ugh why do I have to be at work!! Cant wait to get home and watch this movie again with you guys its been awhile :)

Mitchell Bowker

Foot surgery for ingrown toenail! Did I win? 😄

Josh B.

Well he couldn't get in with his own fingerprints, so he cut off Zods to open the chamber, he also used the Kryptonian database to study up on the history of things that could defeat a Kryptonian, also this Batman is 20 years in he isn't what he used to be and has become more hardened, you also saw the Robin costume with Jokers words on it, pretty sure its taken a toll on Batman so he has become tired of criminals and doesn't care if they are collateral damage, also that wasn't Batman's dad who died in the building but you clear that up in the description, being a more hardened Batman has made him more stubborn and didn't listen to Superman when he was trying to tell him something, also a lot of people make fun of the whole Martha scene, he didn't stop trying to kill Superman just because their moms had the same name, Batman was shown that even a godlike being has a mother and family, which reflected back on him when his mother died knowing that pain, also Superman has gone "evil" when Lois died in a Superman story so it is a possibility, also this movie was based a lot on The Dark Knight Returns comic where Batman has that awesome suit to be on a more level playing feild, really like this movie and can somewhat understand people gripes with it, but why does every story have to be the same I like that they went in a different direction with the characters.

Sohail Jafar

It was very difficult for people to know that it was Robin referenced there tbh You know that Martha scene was a bit trippy don’t lie Other than that I agree.

Anonymous

That funny scream/yell you keep hearing in movies you’ve been watching is known as the “Wilhelm Scream” :)

Daniel R

the best way to look at this movie is to think about it from Batman's perspective. He tells us that he's been Batman for 20 years and over time he's changed--Alfred's monologue explains this "and turns good men... cruel". Criminals are criminals, evil was evil. Superman was a threat in his eyes. If you think about this movie as a Batman redemption story it makes it far more interesting--Superman being the beacon of hope snapped Batman out of his crazed trance that sent him on a war path. The "Martha" scene is heavy and can be interpreted in a lot of ways but the way I interpret it is that Batman did go crazy the night his parents died--he just represses it instead of being someone like the Joker. Is Batman any better than the baddies he puts away? If there was anything that was going to snap Batman out of kill mode would be the mention of his mother which was just one hell of a coincidence. Superman brought Batman back to the light and his sacrifice brought the world around on him. That's just me though.

Anonymous

This will be a long post, but I have to explain why I think people are really oversimplifying the Martha scene. It's not because their mothers have the same name, nor is it just because Batman suddenly realizes Superman has a human mother. I too had trouble with it the first time I watched the movie, but the second time around I began noticing all the clues to Bruce's state of mind. This is a Batman who's really been through a lot. Lost Robin and who knows whom else, saw too many good people turn evil. And it all seems to have been for nothing. "Criminals are like weeds." The feeling of powerlessness that Alfred talks about didn't start with Zod or the Capitol bomb, those were just the final nails in the coffin. It actually started with his parents' death and continued throughout his entire "futile" vigilante career. And considering what happened to his parents, it's a safe bet that seeing that little girl lose her mother in the beginning also had a profound effect on him. He failed to save her mother. He failed to save Jack. He failed to save thousands of others. He's consumed by his trauma, by his pain and rage - as evidenced by his nightmares and general behavior throughout the whole movie. He is at his lowest and he feels like his whole life was meaningless. Then Superman comes along, bringing chaos and destruction with him. On one hand, this amplifies absolutely all of Bruce's negative feelings and fears. But on the other hand, suddenly there's something he can do to make an actual difference. "This may be the only thing I do that matters." The 1% line he gives to Alfred is supposed to be a logical argument, a matter of prevention, yet he's fuming as he's saying it - because it's just a rationalization. The real reason is deeper and of emotional nature. He wants Superman to be nothing but a dangerous alien, he needs him to be this big threat and nothing else. "You were never even a man." Because stopping someone like that is the only thing that could give meaning to his existence. "The world only makes sense if you force it to." Even though his mental state is understandable, Batman is a villain for most of the movie. He's just trying to convince himself he's doing the right thing, and Lex's orchestrations in Africa and Capitol only help maintain that rationalization, further fueling Batman's rage and finally pushing him over the edge. That's why he's not even remotely interested in listening to Superman when he confronts him. He doesn't want to hear it. Even if Superman could get the words out, it would likely just fall on deaf ears. Unfortunately you can't really fight emotions with logic or facts. This is why the word Martha works so beautifully. It's the key to Batman's whole persona, it's a reminder of that first trauma, the life-changing event that made him fight crime in the first place. It's still haunting him throughout this movie, decades and decades after it happened. It's the emotional catalyst that in the moment confuses and distracts Batman. Then Lois arrives and explains the name. Suddenly, he can no longer pretend Superman is nothing but a potentially evil alien. No. He's someone who, with his last breath, isn't trying to save himself. He's trying to save his mother, while Lois pleads for his life. And now Batman finally sees himself clearly again for the first time in who knows how long. He's the one holding a weapon and about to murder someone who hasn't intentionally done anything wrong. He's the one about to let another mother, another Martha die. He's the bad guy. As he finally realizes the truth, he throws the spear away and promises to save this Martha - as Diane Lane herself said, it's the closest he can come to redeeming himself for that sense of powerlessness he had when he failed to save his own mother. And I think that's beautifully depicted in the movie, with a little help from exposition, but without relying on it completely. It's a breath of fresh air compared to the simplistic and one-dimensional motives that often plague modern cinema. It's just unfortunate so many people never saw it coming and missed it.

Frankie H

Lex's sidekick was Mercy Graves, first appearance was in Superman: the animated series 1996. Basically a bodyguard/personal assistant. Since then they've put her into the comics and other media because she was a popular character. Also, how did Lex know how to make the monster? The ship gave him a tutorial, and taught him all about Krypton and other stuff, and answered any questions Lex had it seemed. All of this was off camera except for the beginning where Lex says to the ship, "Teach me everything." He was probably there for hours or a couple days on and off. Also, great reaction glad you all enjoyed it.

Ike

Surgery Guess - Bone Spur (whatever the heck that is... and I’m begging anyone reading this not to explain it to me). 😬

Josh B.

You explained it better than me or anybody else I've seen before trying to explain the deeper meaning of the movie, I just don't know why people like to hate it with a passion and say its a horrible movie, there are plenty of movies far worse than this, at least Zack Snyder tried to put his own spin on the characters instead of doing the same story over and over again, for the most part he was true to the characters but put more into a realistic setting as if they were actual people in our world, a lot of the stuff Batman and the public think are rational thoughts and fears people in the real world would feel, not saying its a masterpiece but at least give credit where credit is due instead of just hating it without looking for deeper meaning and understanding.

Sohail Jafar

Hey Storm Akima! See when you do the Endgame reaction, will it be up on the same day? 30th? Or the day after? Thanks! 🙂