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David and Joanna discuss the importance of visiting family, the troubling trend of anti-vaccine disinformation, and what it's like to befriend famous people. 

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Lucy Rodriguez

I totally agree with you about Ted Lasso. I love all the talent involved with the show but the main character seems like he may not be mentally all there. I wish I could find as much joy in it as others do. Great episode as always. Love your conversations with Joanna.