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Prince Caspian ~ Lost in Adaptation (Patreon)

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2020-11-26 17:53:53
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2022-01

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Finally getting back to LiA AND back to CS Lewis all in one.

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Prince Caspian ~ Lost in Adaptation

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Anonymous

Yay, I was wondering when you'd do these. Chronicles of Narnia was a big part of my childhood and the reason why I am such a big nerd now. Also, had the biggest crush on Prince Caspian.

Anonymous

Yknow I hadn't considered how WTF that "Aslan does weird shit" section really is. When I was reading as a kid in the early 90s, I just remember thinking it awesome. The part about the teachers always stuck in my mind in particular because it felt good to me, the same way that Narnia had "clothes that looked really pretty but were also really comfortable", I thought the "teachers are important but they should be nice ones" was a nice thing. I 100% just rolled with everything at the time and found it all very exciting. In my defense I was like nine years old. Aside from Aslans WTF jaunting around my biggest striking memory of the story is Dr Cornelius being "very old, very ugly, and very kind" because I think it was the first time I'd had any ugly character in kids' media be not evil. Also the part where the Pevensies find the apple trees in the orchard-that-is-now-a-forest drove home the time passing pretty great.

Anonymous

Not gonna lie. As a teen I had a HUGE crush on Caspian after watching this movie 😆.

Anonymous

My favorite of the series was always the Silver Chair. When they made The Voyage of the Dawn Treader I had hope that we would get to see The Silver Chair, but alas, it was not to be.

Anonymous

Allegedly the choice to make the Telmarines Spanish inspired was because they were originally South Sea pirates (from the dvd extras and commentaries). I'm not sure that makes it better

Ioana Sofonea

Yey! Narnia! Thank you for sharing!

Matthew Foweraker

I feel that making them Spanish is actaully a good call, because what happened as a genocyde. However I agree the white saviour subtext is made worse.

Anonymous

I feel that the comment re the Normans not being that bad and the that 'the Saxon nobles only had to learn french and cut back on the slavery a bit' is a bit unfair and inaccurate. Whilst it might not be on the level of what the Spanish did to the New World, the Normans were not at all kind to the residents of Britain (to put it mildly). The crown jewel of Norman 'kindness' was the Harrowing of the North (one of the first recorded genocides in history) where only 1 in 4 people living in the north of England survived, with the death total numbering approx. 150,000 people.

Robin Hildebrand

My parents read me Prince Caspian when I was really small, and I loved it at the time. I liked the movie on release, I think I even own it, but as I got older, I grew to really love the film adaptation of the Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe, while this one.... meh?? I like the idea of the kids having to work through being noble kings and queens in childrens' bodies, but the execution was iffy in my opinion.

Anonymous

Yes I’ve been waiting for this!!! Also wow Dominic is really channeling his inner Sean bean in his his looks now isn’t he? Not a complaint, honestly he’s rocking the long hair

Danielle Clarke

The thing that makes Narnia hard for me to immerse myself in, especially as an adult, is that it so patently exists for the benefit of the child protagonists. A thousand years can pass and the non-human inhabitants suffer genocide and persecution, but as far as the narrative, the author, and Literal Jesus are concerned, this isn't really worth getting involved with. When the four English schoolchildren turn up, though; well, then Aslan turns up immediately to muck them about in the woods for a couple of days so that they can learn a lesson about how they should have unquestioning faith. Oh, and also help out with the war or whatever. It ends with an Aslan-worshipping teenager as supreme ruler of the country, so that's what counts. It just feels difficult to engage with the world as a greater entity after realising that even the in-universe god kind of considers it disposable set-dressing up until the point that an English Schoolchild appears.

Anonymous

So....Aslan's magic feels like my cat sniffing my face in the middle of the night?

Anonymous
>>48437857

Tolkien had a lot of the same problems. So did this other guy named Phillip Pullman.

Anonymous

Not gonna lie, I enjoyed these books when I was young, but the religious subtext went completely over my head in all cases. I was reading the Magician's Nephew and thinking "Well, there's a garden. And there's an apple. And the White Witch wants the apple. WHAT CAN ALL OF THIS MEAN!!!!!!"

Anonymous

No explanation for the rest of the bizarre journey, but I’m pretty sure the book mentions that the retreating telmarines were going to cross the bridge and try and hold out in the town on the other side

Anonymous

Found it: In a few minutes all Miraz's followers were running down to the Great River in the hope of crossing the bridge to the town of Beruna and there defending themselves behind ramparts and closed gates. They reached the river, but there was no bridge. It had disappeared since yesterday. Then utter panic and horror fell upon them and they

Ally

While I didn't enjoy this film as much as the last adaptation it was still enjoyable to me. The biggest things I found I minded was -in my mind- the unnecessary castle battle trying to take Miraz over by surprise. I also wanted them to do the Aslan, Lucy and Susan bringing magic and joy back to the land of Narnia. Maybe I read it weird but I loved that part of the book as it was like experiencing the beginning of school holidays where everything seemed brighter and they were breathing life back into an oppressed land. Oh also don't worry Caspian ends up marrying a non-human so Narnia gets a not exactly human leader after all in his son Prince Rilian. But I think Lewis was having the plot of Narnia wanting good, just humans to be their kings and queens because it's like how in the bible book of Genesis God instructs Adam and Eve to rule over the animals of the land justly and fairly.

Ally

Oh if you decide to cover Voyage of the Dawn Treader that was the worst adaptation for me. I didn't mind adding in Edmund's desire to have control of his own life and missing Narnia considering their war setting back home. But the added plot of uniting the swords to destroy evil was so not needed in my opinion. I liked the book for its take on just doing a magical journey which teaches Caspian a bit more about ruling and helps him grow up and helps Edmund and Lucy's cousin learn not to be a jerk.

Leslie Helwig

Oooohhhh I hope this means he will do Voyage of the Dawn Treader then. It was my second favorite of the stories. Do you think they will ever finish them? Do you think we will ever get the Silver Chair made into a movie?

Anonymous

just want to say how amazing you look with long hair !! it suits you really well

Anonymous

I think part of the appeal of the books is the way it took time to look around the world Lewis created. But, as is clear from many reactions to the first part of LoTR, movies don't do well as travelogues. Also, I always thought the movies suffered from the fact that these were children doing terrible things - by not really concentrating on them, Lewis allowed the reader to sort of age them up. For example, in Horse and His Boy, Susan is talking to Edmund about her getting married.

Elizabeth Sullivan-Burton

I think the movie was sort of stuck between a rock and hard place because Prince Caspian is probably the weakest book. I feel like the BBC adaptation made the right call by just lumping it in with Voyage of the Dawn Treader.

Saaski

Susan is the responsible one. She keeps everyone on task and focused when everyone else’s head is in the clouds.

Saaski
>>48499909

And yes, that is mostly depicted as a bad personality trait. because of course critical thinking and evidence based decision making has nothing good about it!! - that was sarcasm It is still however, who she is.

Anonymous

The one point I wish had been covered in more detail was Caspian's utter stupidity in rushing off to confront his uncle about the death of his father. I feel like any claim he still had as a NOBLE legitimate ruler - who would rule more faithfully than the usurper uncle - went out the window with that action. A king doesn't rule for himself, if he did he ceases to be a good king. Lewis leaned very heavily on that through the whole series. So that action made him questionable and weakened the whole plot. And gosh, that Caspian - Susan romance. An influential man in full adulthood and a teenager schoolgirl - whoever thought that was a good idea? But by including it the movie gave context to Aslan's rule that Peter and Susan were too old to come back. He didn't want a cross-world marriage to confuse things. Presumably that side of the children didn't develop when they became adults in LW&W, but in their own world they go through adolescence so if they come in when older, they can become emotionally or sexually entangled. That works for me.

Anonymous
>>48561167

That side of the children totally did as adults. The Horse and His Boy covers it a bit in passing, but it has the Calormenes to the South trying to court Lucy. That said, since The Horse and His Boy was written 5th, Lewis had probably was not at all thinking about how the kids had become adults when writing the end to LWW.