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Doctor Who 2x4 FULL LENGTH Reaction | The Girl in the Fireplace - AMAZON/DVD (Patreon)

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Doctor Who 2x4 FULL LENGTH Reaction | The Girl in the Fireplace - AMAZON/DVD

FULL LENGTH REACTION

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Azmat Mahmood

I adore this episode. It's such a beautiful and tragic tale. From the score, set design, costumes, and direction, everything about this episode works. I also love the concept of various time windows scattered around the spaceship allowing us glimpses into different parts of Madame De Pompadour's life and the way the distant past and distant future have been melded together in this story. The moment Reinette walks from renaissance France to the spaceship is great because of the great direction and the stark contrast it creates between the two settings. The Clockwork droids are also great creations that are as gorgeous as they are creepy. The backstory and explanation of how they tried to repair the spaceship and why they think they now need Madame De Pompadour (the reveal at the end that the spaceship is called SS Madame De Pompadour, which is why the droids were fixated on her is so great) is both chilling and a fascinating look into how technology can go wrong, which is a terrifying prospect considering all our technological advancements and how reliant we're becoming on it. It's playing into the idea that computers can often go too far because they run on cold hard logic rather than emotion and common sense. Something most humans have, at least in theory... What works most of all though is the chemistry between David Tennant and Sophia Myles. I'm sure you wouldn't be shocked to know that they actually dated for a few years after this. This episode works really well alongside "School Reunion". The maturity Rose showed in getting over her jealousy towards Sarah Jane carries over here, when she's confronted by yet another woman the Doctor establishes a strong connection with. She puts aside her feelings of jealousy and instead does everything to try and comfort and help Reinette in her times of need. You could say that there is a subtle theme of polyamory to the episode. The belief that people can be attracted to and be in love with more than one person and it doesn't diminish the love for the other. The King has his Queen and Reinette; Reinette has the King and the Doctor; the Doctor has Reinette and Rose; Rose has the Doctor and Mickey (poor Mickey doesn't get to flirt with the Queen to go full circle). These people are all basically attracted to or feel some level of romantic feelings for each other without violence or hatred or even cattiness like in the last episode, the typical cliches of jealousy. Not to say jealousy doesn't exist in the story, see the looks on Rose and the King's faces, but it's an inner hurt versus an outward display of heartbreak. This whole episode is also a prefect encapsulation of what it's like for a human to get to know the Doctor and the Doctor to get to know a human. Our lives are so fleeting in comparison to his. Everything he said he feared in "School Reunion" was shown to brutal effect in "The Girl in the Fireplace". If last episode was Rose seeing the future she feared with the Doctor through Sarah Jane, then this episode was the Doctor seeing the future he feared with Rose through Reinette. It's clear the Doctor also felt a terrible guilt at the end. He promised to show Reinette the stars and she died waiting in the hope that he would return someday. You would think this entire experience would make both Rose and the Doctor question staying together. However, this only strengthened both of their resolves to never fully commit and admit their feelings to one another because they don't want all of that to drive them apart and cause them pain. The same way it did to the Doctor and Reinette. Great episode.

Nathan Jasper, the Artist Formerly Known as Primary

This episode never fails to make me smile for thebulk of it only to leave a small hole in my heart by the end. In the blink of an eye, everything changed and he didn't even get to say goodbye and in her time she was left waiting, expecting and dreaming. Moffet KNOWS how to destroy your heart. It does say something about his writing, though, that even though this is a singular episode that it's still so memorable and feels so important. The weight in Madame de Pompadour's letter made us feel like we were the ones writing it with all the hopes and dreams and wishing we do as viewers.

Josef Schiltz
>>147803003

When this was first shown, it reminded me very much of a series that was on the BBC during my own - and Steven Moffat's - childhood and that was Tales From Europe. A series made up of folk and fairy tales from the continent, such as The Tinder Box and The Singing Ringing Tree. I've often wondered if Steven Moffat was evoking the same atmosphere of these unsettlingly surreal tales.

Jacob King

I love this episode. The scene where Rose goes to speak with Rénette is an important part of the season arc and it ties back to Sarah Jane mentoring Rose, now Rose is the experienced companion talking to the new girl. We also see what the Doctor meant about the fleeting nature of human life demonstrated. There’s also some cool conceptual sci-fi stuff. I always love a clockwork robot. I’m going to have to defend Moffatt. His seasons are great and where they fail it’s because he’s too ambitious which is definitely preferable to playing it safe. He may have stayed on for one year too many but he really expands the Who universe and none of the subsequent writers have gone as hard.

Ben

Just wondering is the double reaction just for this week or is it now two a week going forward? If so - Fantastic! ;) Also, The Doctor wasn't the only one who fell in love with Reinette in this episode, shortly after this was filmed David Tennant and Sophia Myles (who played Reinette) started dating! Regarding Moffat etc. As others have said in these comments, try not to listen to anybody else's opinions and be open minded with everything, if you enjoy it then great, if not that's also fine!

Matthew Brench

I'm with you about Rose's jealousy over the Doctor... that actually really brought this season down for me. But fear not, there are plenty of other companions and character dynamics to enjoy if this (or any other) begins to grate on you!

Azmat Mahmood

It's hilarious how people are jumping to Moffat's defense. Clearly lots of people love his era, but there are also lots of people (including myself), who have very mixed opinions on it. No other showrunner splits opinions quite like him. It'll be very interesting when you get to his era eventually, but I agree that you should make up your own mind on how you feel about it. I'll say that I think his first and last seasons are both really good, but the rest of his seasons are all bad to varying degrees. The main reasons being a tendency for pretentiousness and making things convoluted to the point of things simply not making sense and storylines collapssing in on themselves. That's just me though. 🤷‍♂️

Chris Saguisag

This is my favorite episode of all of nuWho, and this was a great reaction to watch. Glad you are enjoying this series.

Nathaniel Castle

This is a great episode, one of Tenants best, a bitter sweet piece that never fails to move me

Jeremy Vickers

This is one of my favorite episodes of all time. It’s so heartbreaking.

Matt Singleton

Fun fact. The actress who played Madam De Pompadour and David Tennant were actually dating at the time of filming the episode. Probably why the chemistry was so good haha

funnylilgalreacts
>>147849708

I think it’s gonna be one of those episodes that I think about at random. It was so beautiful and heartbreaking at the same time.

funnylilgalreacts
>>147827768

I kind of like that not everybody universally loves everything about this series. There are people who think David is great, but they prefer Peter I like Russell‘s writing, but I like the way Moffatt’s short stories play out.

funnylilgalreacts
>>147803003

I never thought about the relation to Sarah Jane. The fact that Renette died and that’s what he fears will happen with Rose is actually so profound. I didn’t put that together and it’s so beautiful.

Kyle Junge

What's interesting is that the doctor crashed through that window believing he would be trapped with no way back and did it anyway. Normally this would be quite a heroic and selfless deed and in some ways it was, but consider he did that knowing that rose and mickey were back on the ship with no way of getting off of it without him. It's basically sheer luck that he made it back, now maybe he had faith that rose would figure a way to get him back, or find a way to control the tardis without him. Or maybe he put a protocol in the tardis where if they went inside it would take them back to their time like at the end of season 1 but none of that is ever stated and in the worst case scenario rose and micky would be stuck there for the rest of their what would probably be pretty short lives.

StarstruckCanuck

Hey! This isn't related to this reaction, but figured I'd comment on your most recent post! I found you through your Firefly reactions on YouTube, and while I used to hate the formet you made me come around, so much so that you're actually the first person I've ever subbed to on Patreon! Actually registered for a Patreon to sub to you. I really respected the fact that in your YouTube edits you leave in all the stuff the fans of these shows really want, and don't hide them behind the subscription, which is always a turn off. Your method actually made me want to subscribe. I've now seen Firefly, Serenity, Battlestar and a few movies with you! Also, I've been wanting to mention since Firefly, I don't know why but your intro reminds me of the intro to The Rookie, which is another Nathon Fillion show. Fun little coincidence. Keep it up! Can't wait to watch more with you! (Looking forward to Stargate SG-1 when it finally happens!)

Azmat Mahmood
>>147827768

I'm with you on Moffat's short stories. He never missed with an episode before he became showrunner, which is why he became showrunner. There are still several one off episodes he wrote during his tenure as showrunner that are great though. Where, I think, he fell short is quality controlling and script editing other people's scripts in order to fit them in with the rest of the season, something Russel excelled at. His season arcs also became over ambitious and way too complicated for their own good and a lot of his big and pivotal episodes that related to the story arcs, like finales but they could also be other episodes heavily linked to the story arc, are genuinely some of the worst episodes of the show ever. It's a very topsy turvy period for the show. Unlike Russell's era, which you've already seen is pretty consistent but it actually really hits it's stride in the third and fourth seasons, so you haven't even seen the best of this era yet!

Azmat Mahmood
>>147803003

Russel and Moffat = Dream team. It's a sign of great showrunning that a one off episode like this was used to link to the character arcs for the main characters of this season.

Kevin C

So, so many shades of 12 in the end of this episode (and not just from those two certain episodes…) I do love this episode, and I love the Moffat years, but I won’t try to convince anyone to change their minds. I do admit, you can only go so far with stories where the Doctor is interested in a companion or vice-versa, especially with this show’s longetivity…it can get tiring. But much more awaits…I personally love a much more complex relationship coming, but so many more people hate it, so…🤷‍♂️. Just enjoy what you can, when you can. You never know when you’ll leave Versailles for the last time. I don’t comment every episode, but I’m loving these. Keep ‘em coming! Thank you!

funnylilgalreacts
>>147886576

Hey! Thank you! We try to leave in as much as we can without getting a copyright claim or worse. I'm not a fan of reactions that are just highlights either.

funnylilgalreacts
>>147883264

I think from my perspective I wasn't worried but now that you've said that, how reckless of the Doctor to do that.